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Aamrr
Posted - 2011.05.21 15:10:00 - [31]
 

Supporting this petition.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.05.21 15:15:00 - [32]
 

How do I give this a thumbs up?

Voddick
Posted - 2011.05.22 00:30:00 - [33]
 

This is important as now we can't even see what factions OTHER factions like. This screws n00bs up that don't already have this info memorized.

Vic Tenrach
Minmatar
The Wild Bunch
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.05.22 11:35:00 - [34]
 

+1, bring back faction and npc corp standing display

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.05.22 12:23:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Swynet on 22/05/2011 12:36:40
No!

Overview settings SHOULD be the only tool. Neither pilot's employment history should be available.
You shouldn't be able to know either how many people are in that corp, how many corps in that alliance.

Decision = consequence.

Tools for decision?

You want intell? - work for it.

Darod Zyree
Gallente
Zyree Holding

Posted - 2011.05.22 14:04:00 - [36]
 

Bring back NPC corp and faction standings display for everyone.

El 1974
Posted - 2011.05.22 19:39:00 - [37]
 

First time I find it usefull to post something...

Wraithik
Posted - 2011.05.23 00:39:00 - [38]
 

+1.

No one asked to remove the standings in the first place.

Navique Darkstar
Posted - 2011.05.23 10:21:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Navique Darkstar on 23/05/2011 10:30:27
Edited by: Navique Darkstar on 23/05/2011 10:29:57
Edited by: Navique Darkstar on 23/05/2011 10:26:51
Bring back NPC corp and faction standings !


I've petitioned this with ccp and here is what ive got:



2011.05.23 02:17:00 GM Zerat
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Hi,

This was a design decision to prevent players from tracking down pilots by monitoring their standings towards NPC corporations. I'm afraid we cannot discuss the merits of Game Design decisions through petitions, the appropriate place to discuss that are the forums.

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ok so forums it is. :)

Tracking down pilots ? you do have the locator agents if you want to track somebody that bad... The bottom line is if somebody wants to track you they will and it has nothing to do with standings most of the time. On the other hand as mentioned above a lot of people lost very important tool in they eve life. A Social orientation beacon if you will.

Bring it back before its to late ! Such changes make eve single player game. It supposed to be about player cooperation not about isolation.

... Also a suggestion here: If quite a lot of people think they need standings gone, just make it optional ... like medals or certificates.

Another thing which i am personaly not happy about and which adds to standing window lag is that it shows all the agents. That is the usless bit which is quite large ... if you would get wrid of that bit nobody would be to upset i think.

Plastic Dreams
Posted - 2011.05.23 10:40:00 - [40]
 

I prefer it like it is now. Either that or make it so that whenever you'd press "Show info" it never opens in the standings bar. I don't care about standings, but sometimes want to check out someone's bio. So whenever I'd show info and it opened the standings tab, it'd lag my client for 3-10 seconds (Especially if it was a corp and/or had many standings to show).

Actually, it would be optimal if it opened both corporations and characters in the bio-tab, please.

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.23 10:49:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Navique Darkstar

Tracking down pilots ? you do have the locator agents if you want to track somebody that bad... The bottom line is if somebody wants to track you they will and it has nothing to do with standings most of the time. On the other hand as mentioned above a lot of people lost very important tool in they eve life. A Social orientation beacon if you will.


Not really. Locator agents cost isk to use. They cost time to use, and effort. It's like hiring a PI to find out if your husband is cheating on you. You'll get your info, but you sort of have to know what/who you are looking for. Standings are free information, which anyone can browse as they watch people pass by Jita. Its like browsing the airport to see if you can find a mark. It has no cost (besides opportunity cost) and allows gankers to find carebears from the sea of anonymous players.

Quote:

... Also a suggestion here: If quite a lot of people think they need standings gone, just make it optional ... like medals or certificates.



Yeah, optional is fine I think.

Viollah
Posted - 2011.05.23 18:07:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Viollah on 30/05/2011 07:56:58
Aijle Mijleroff is absolutely right!!!!

DbjaBol
Caldari
The Curse of Distant Stars
Bright Side of Death
Posted - 2011.05.23 18:09:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: DbjaBol on 30/05/2011 07:57:09
Aijle Mijleroff, you are right fella. return it back!

Kerrisone
Posted - 2011.05.23 21:09:00 - [44]
 

Bring them back, if needed for some stupid idea that players have 'free' intel and this is a lame 'isk sink' to make locator agents more useful then so be it. Standings should be shown by default for new players until they are either off their trials, or older than 14 days, the rest of the players should have NPC corp standings shown by default with agents hidden.

All tutorial agents should always be shown, if they have been used, if not they are invisible like it was save the very first tutorial agent.

If the reason was DB calls let standings be on a tab that is by default not shown, ie even if you always look at standings when you show info on a pilot you then have to click over to the standings tab. Further each corporation should have an expandable tab that opens to show agent standings for that corp only. Faction standings would be the default standings shown under the standings tab and always be shown for all pilots.

Vizhonia
Minmatar
Anything U-Want 2B Institute

Posted - 2011.05.24 07:30:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Vizhonia on 24/05/2011 08:04:36
Like most that have chimed in, I can see removing agent standings from the public record, but corp and faction standings?

I'm sorry, but this is a game breaker for me. If this isn't fixed, I don't see much point of continuing to try to do anything but grind like it's a single player game in an NPC corp... It breaks corp security, breaks RP, and breaks one of the biggest aspects of this game that I felt made it more worthy of playing than any of the other MMOs I have to pick from.

CCP already drove me off once and if I leave this time, I won't be giving them a third chance to break the game on me. Really, this is the sort of major change that should be discussed with the players and not just slapped on them out of the blue. This is the type of change that many of us players take as a big F-U to customer loyalty.

Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
Posted - 2011.05.24 08:07:00 - [46]
 

some more thought should go into tweaking display of standings. factions are not many, so they should be visible always. maybe there could be button to query corp and agent standings?

Kaelie Onren
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.24 12:00:00 - [47]
 

Perhaps the reason it was imposed so suddenly is because it was an emergency decree by Team Lag? (or whatever the team at CCP that combats lag is.) I can see that many lookups for those hardcore veteran carebears who have hundreds of agents killing the servers with lookup reqs. To fix the load they take it completely out for now (with the intention of either paralellizing the standings db or adding them back minus Agent standings later) and are watching now and laughing at us foam and fret and get our panties in a bunch. Then once the fix for the load on the server is ready they will put it back in, with much pomp and circumstance, all in the name of "listening to our player base".

Watch and see.

Ronan Connor
Posted - 2011.05.25 13:11:00 - [48]
 

At least it should be viewable for corp HR people who tend to applications.
Makes no sense not to allow to check whether a so called noob has 9.0 standing with a navy corp.

LordElfa
Gallente
Golden Lyon Warriors
Posted - 2011.05.25 21:21:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: LordElfa on 25/05/2011 21:22:37
Originally by: Allegratto
Edited by: Allegratto on 20/05/2011 03:21:22
I use standings to figure out which systems PVE corps tend to be in for highsec wardecs. Higher standings with certain NPC groups = they run those missions.

RETURN MY HIGH SEC GRIEFING TOOL!!!!

Fixed.

Exactly why it's a GOOD thing it's gone.

Axl Borlara
T.R.I.A.D
Posted - 2011.05.26 15:56:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Axl Borlara on 26/05/2011 15:57:01
Originally by: Vizhonia

Like most that have chimed in, I can see removing agent standings from the public record, but corp and faction standings?


Hiding agent standings makes sense.

Corp and Faction standings are necessary for all kinds of things, as already mentioned.

As for the GM's reasoning for removing all standings - yes, assuming agent standings are hidden, you can still find out which NPC corps a player does missions for. But that will cover a large area. Even more so now that all agents quality are the same.

Chtouille
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:29:00 - [51]
 

join the request

Sistemu
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:30:00 - [52]
 

<bump> and yes, I do want them back.

Sir Hillary
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:48:00 - [53]
 


Rhondas
Posted - 2011.05.27 17:38:00 - [54]
 


Gariboldi Phiron
Posted - 2011.05.27 18:28:00 - [55]
 

Concord and faction standing should be visible to everyone and all standings should be visible to +10 excellent and corp mates.

rootimus maximus
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.27 20:54:00 - [56]
 


Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.05.28 01:02:00 - [57]
 

This makes no sense in a game where intel is so important.

Alex Gapon
Posted - 2011.05.30 17:23:00 - [58]
 

I want that standings were visible if at pilots have mutual excelent standings

Niyrah
Posted - 2011.05.30 19:40:00 - [59]
 

Just change the default page to YOUR standings with the character, and have the other tabs available for loading.

Less calls to the server and everyone gets the info they want / need.

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.05.31 09:19:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Niyrah
Just change the default page to YOUR standings with the character, and have the other tabs available for loading.

Less calls to the server and everyone gets the info they want / need.

This.


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