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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.05.26 19:58:00 - [31]
 

I finally got around to blogging about thе Summit:

CSM 6 Mаy Summit Reflectionѕ

Wish I соuld go into more detail but the meeting minutes should be out in a couple weeks.

Erik Finnegan
Gallente
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
Posted - 2011.05.27 05:01:00 - [32]
 

Thank you Trebor and Seleene for the previews. Seleene, I think, did a better job in disguising that not much is allowed to be reported at this time. Rolling Eyes And the discussion in this thread was helpful in raising expectations again about what's to come.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.05.27 15:25:00 - [33]
 

Last year about this time CSM was able to inform players that CCP had decided to hold off on most space ship related stuff and work on incarna for the next 18 months. We saw through subsequent dev blog the extensive number of devs that left the spaceship aspect of the game for other things like dust and incarna.

18 Months is going to be up in December about - six months out. Any word on whether they will be able to reassign those devs to the space ship game in 6 months?

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2011.05.27 19:37:00 - [34]
 

Just a bit more of an explanation if anyone on the csm was unaware of what happened last year:

Back in June 2010 CCP was very upfront with CSM that many space ship related matters in eve would be on hold for 18 months due to incarna and dust. Well that is going to be up in December.

Following those minutes in July 2010 we received this dev blog:

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=777

In sum CCP explained that out of 124 developers only 22 were assigned to “in space features.” These were divided into 3 teams 1)art/effects, 2)missions and 3) a features team that decided to do pve content – I’m assuming that was Incursions.

Given the small fraction of a fraction of devs working on incursions it seems to have been very well done. (I haven’t done them myself, but it seems many eve players like them)

Does anyone know if CCP is set to reassign those devs to “in space features” by the December timetable? Is incarna running behind such that those devs will be stuck with incarna longer, while the areas of the space ship game mentioned in the June 2010 minutes continues to languish?

Extreme
Eye of God
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2011.05.28 07:24:00 - [35]
 

Good to have read your blog Seleene.

It gives me more confidence in the handlings of CSM 6.


Max Kolonko
Caldari
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.08 15:56:00 - [36]
 

so now we wait for full minutes, any exact ETA?

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.08 17:48:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Max Kolonko
so now we wait for full minutes, any exact ETA?


Nope. Every CSM took a few topics and are writing up minutes as their spare time permits. I'd say we're nearing the end of the "write minutes" portion and will be moving fully into the "CCP checks for NDA" portion shortly.

MynChu NicAtoch
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.08 23:29:00 - [38]
 

Taking more than a week to put together five paragraphs on each of three three hour sessions isn't very impressive and falls way below our expectations.

:-(

Mike deVoid
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2011.06.09 01:24:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Max Kolonko
so now we wait for full minutes, any exact ETA?


Nope. Every CSM took a few topics and are writing up minutes as their spare time permits. I'd say we're nearing the end of the "write minutes" portion and will be moving fully into the "CCP checks for NDA" portion shortly.


Appreciated that the time you all take to do this comes out of RL and your gaming time. As long as you can get into the CSM notes the info you want us to read, I'm happy to wait.

Mike d

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.09 14:32:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Vile rat on 09/06/2011 14:32:58
Originally by: Mike deVoid
Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Max Kolonko
so now we wait for full minutes, any exact ETA?


Nope. Every CSM took a few topics and are writing up minutes as their spare time permits. I'd say we're nearing the end of the "write minutes" portion and will be moving fully into the "CCP checks for NDA" portion shortly.


Appreciated that the time you all take to do this comes out of RL and your gaming time. As long as you can get into the CSM notes the info you want us to read, I'm happy to wait.

Mike d


We're even closer now than we were 24 hours ago. Honest.


What is involved in creating summit minutes:

1. Each session was approx. an hour long. We all took notes, but each session was recorded so we could go back and make sure we got all the details correct. Each delegate chose 2+ topics to write about and they either use their notes, the video records, or both to create a document.

2. Each delegate has written theirs in their own style. Some used a conversational running dialogue on what was discussed, others chose a more bullet point oriented style and highlighted details. It's up to each delegates personal preference and style. They're all longer than 5 paragraphs though, most people tried to capture every detail we could sc**** from the meeting.

3. Completed minutes are submitted to the CSM as a whole and CCP so we can format for proper style while CCP looks for NDA breaking stuff. That's where we are mostly at now. Once everything is cleared we'll release the minutes but until that finishes we're forced to sit here and be a bit vague because even we don't fully know what is NDA or not so out of an abundance of caution we're chillin' until the process finishes.


Sorry we haven't been more out there with information flow but it is definitely moving forward.

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.06.10 18:34:00 - [41]
 

And i'm sure there will be some back and forth after CCP's review to boot. It's nice to see people frothing over output from the CSM but these things take time. Given the performance of this CSM so far, I have no doubt the final product will be worth waiting for so just be patient.

Shepard Book
Posted - 2011.06.10 19:48:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
And i'm sure there will be some back and forth after CCP's review to boot. It's nice to see people frothing over output from the CSM but these things take time. Given the performance of this CSM so far, I have no doubt the final product will be worth waiting for so just be patient.


Oh the pain

Max Kolonko
Caldari
Worm Nation
Ash Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.19 08:53:00 - [43]
 

Hey guys, any update of progress with those minutes?

tika te
Posted - 2011.06.20 03:34:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Max Kolonko
Hey guys, any update of progress with those minutes?


well, after the nda-censorsh....ehmm..nda-filter was applied on the minutes-scripts nothing interessting was left to be published..Twisted Evil

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.20 10:06:00 - [45]
 

With the exception of one session (being done by CCP Diagoras), all first drafts have been completed and sent to CCP for review. We have not received any response as of yet, though this may be due to them being a wee bit busy with Incarna.

Shepard Book
Posted - 2011.06.20 19:29:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Shepard Book on 21/06/2011 13:34:58
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
With the exception of one session (being done by CCP Diagoras), all first drafts have been completed and sent to CCP for review. We have not received any response as of yet, though this may be due to them being a wee bit busy with Incarna.


Curious. How long did it take from the last day of meetings in Iceland till the CSM sent their version of the notes to CCP? I am looking forward to see the notes.

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.06.20 21:13:00 - [47]
 

And an update to the update, CCP did their first NDA pass, now we need to go back and forth on editing for style, plus we still need that last session, but CCP Xhagen is going to write those up shortly. The notes will probably be out next week, since CCP will be busy with Incarna deployment this week.

Mag Theron
Open University of Celestial Hardship
Art of War Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.20 21:15:00 - [48]
 

It's nice to be kept up to date on your progress as I'm really looking forward to reading the finished report Smile

Shepard Book
Posted - 2011.06.24 21:56:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Shepard Book on 24/06/2011 21:59:47
We will get the notes this coming week I hope? Hang in there yall. I know I busted your chops on the notes taking so long but the general forum is rediculas. Can't wait!


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