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Barashi Nugan
Gallente
Zero Point Group
Posted - 2011.05.19 15:55:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Cosmoes

I don't mind working for my information, but this is just complete blackout.

If they where gonna add a agent that I could ask to do a background check (while in space) for a fee I would be a lot less annoyed.

It seems to me it's a bit unrealistic I can't just ask my friends in the Minmatar republic "Hey do you know those guys?"

Also I don't see them ever adding any agent to detect players standings like this, too much work for a team that is trying to keep 8 years of content constantly iterated on.


Exactly. If they don't want that information available due to performance or game-play reasons due to the ease of obtaining it, give us another avenue.

Maybe make a button on the standings window that queries for the information, so that just opening a Show Info or even clicking on the Standings tab doesn't auto-load the details.

Hell, at this point I'd settle for only select level 5 agents being able to run a background check. Charge me 20mil and take a day to respond. Something.

HairyButter
Posted - 2011.05.19 16:17:00 - [152]
 

The mission changes are awesome.. gives the pve oriented emprire players the ability to have fun with the war-dec's while playing the intel game.. and making isk despite of the wardec's.. I am envigorated by all the 0rphanage alt tears in this thread <3

Chruker
Posted - 2011.05.19 16:27:00 - [153]
 

Now that the patch has been deployed, it seems like the research point rate has had its quality issue fixed. Can anybody (perhaps devs) confirm that.

I dont wanna cancel my agents check if it also works on new agreements

Raistlim
Caldari
Deep Space Supplies
Care Factor
Posted - 2011.05.19 17:39:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: Caldari 5

[...] Removing the landing-page on the fleet finder? so how do you create a fleet without that page? [...]



Rightclick your picture in a Chat Channel -> form fleet.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.05.19 18:22:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: Zakurai
Originally by: Zakurai
I'd like to know how this agent change will affect R&D agents. I found it best to grind their administration section since they had a 50% chance of combat missions (I opt out if it's non-combat). With this change the only way to get a good R&D agent is to do non stop courier missions. This will likely kill any ambition for grinding R&D corps by new people, and will result in a huge loss of data cores, which amounts to higher t2 costs in the market (Ships and mods).

Alternately, you could rename a new section in the R&D corps that will replace admin and still offer the 50% combat missions, or 100% combat, but I'm not greedy.Wink

If all of the agents qualities are going to be the same, then all of the low sec R&D agents will be completely pointless to use.

On another note, are there any plans for dealing with the over saturated material research for empire? Even the low sec stations have huge wait times. You could charge more $/time, but I don't think that will do more than put a band-aid on the issue. I really would love to see industry get some of the limelight, after all industry is the backbone of any pvp engagement on any scale


Bump for answersugh


I'm afraid they're going to get rid of this research agent/datacore system.

I like it because it is a little semi-passive income and gives a reason for PVE play for guys like me who make so much more isk doing other things I never have a reason to do missions. Not that I like doing missions but I guess doing sometimes helps me have some roll playing context.

On one sense, I understand how too passive of an income can be unbalancing and meta gamed . But getting qualifed certainly wasn't passive and gave a game goal to work towards for that take me a hell of a lot of time to build standing. ( I just can't seem to run missions at a high pace for hours on end as consistantly as others.. 4 levl 3's an hour seem to be my pace including distractions that due to them having long periods where no attention is needed (warping etc) where you start reading something elss during those 45 seconds.)

As far as i'm concered, it takes a while to go get the data cores... if you do it once every couple months, it still takes while to go 15 jumps and back and go get them... a bit of risk consideration on carrying a large load.. and time and consideration in selling them. A three month back log of them at a given station is only worth in the vicinity of 20 to 40 million isk even with decent choices...the time involved picking themreally isn't that high isk/hour unless you wait a year between trips. (they could set a maximum after lp accruals stops )

In an immersion game, its satisfying to know you have something of sustained value and it gives you a little boost seing the virtual dividends that you might long for in real life. They can be kept in the game with slight changes to keep the "rich getting richer" to be too meaninful.

You guys were arguing the other side of the coin....about too few datacores if standing is too hard to grind with decreased combat mission options. Thats pretty simple to address though. Where there was an accounting agent in a station, add an additional security agent of the same level to chose from. (and that could make standing gain a little less akward in needing to wait a day or so between missions as it is if you decline the courier ones)

Bernard Modaff
Posted - 2011.05.19 21:22:00 - [156]
 

Most of the patch is nice, but:
* the broadcast history is now missing the name of the pilot who broadcasted, is that serious?... This is a precious info, we need it back (if only for us logis to yell at the people broadcasting multiple times)

*I second everyone opinion on standing: we need a way or another to be able to see someone faction and corp standings. I'm willing to pay an locator like agent for it

Shasis
Kernel of War
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.05.19 21:26:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Bernard Modaff
Most of the patch is nice, but:
the broadcast history is now missing the name of the pilot who broadcasted


This.

It is really important for both logis and people who want to focus on the same target; they can then ignore broadcasts that are not coming from the FC.

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.05.19 21:49:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Bernard Modaff
the broadcast history is now missing the name of the pilot who broadcasted


Yeah, this is annoying.

gEM x
Posted - 2011.05.20 07:52:00 - [159]
 

i think the standings change is bs as long as u have good standing toward something u should be able to see others' standing to it, at least

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.05.20 17:24:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Andski
Originally by: Bernard Modaff
the broadcast history is now missing the name of the pilot who broadcasted


Yeah, this is annoying.


It's terrible.


Could we get an explaination on why this was changed?

Guillaume LeConquerant
Amarr
Kernel of War
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.05.20 21:52:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Andski
Originally by: Bernard Modaff
the broadcast history is now missing the name of the pilot who broadcasted


Yeah, this is annoying.


It's terrible.


Could we get an explaination on why this was changed?


Yes, this is a very important piece of information. Who is broadcasting is just as important as what was broadcasted.

Lemmih AI
Posted - 2011.05.21 01:35:00 - [162]
 

The standings change is fail. Now I can't even tell what standings the corp I'm in has. If I want to find the best NPC corps to run missions for, now I apparently have to do a show info individually for every NPC corp in the game.
There are plenty of other reasons this change sucks, but this illustrates how fundamentally flawed it is.

Achurraa
Posted - 2011.05.21 05:37:00 - [163]
 

We want to export loot history like we could before, why did you take away such a usefull feature?

Seriously ... wtf!?!?!

Chris Cross
Wholesale Commodities
Posted - 2011.05.21 06:14:00 - [164]
 

With the changes to scanner and anomalies, you might as well put them on the right-click menu. Changing the range was fine, reducing the time was fine. Reducing the time and increasing the range at the same time was completely awful.

Tasko Pal
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.05.21 13:26:00 - [165]
 

Add me to the list of people who are upset that our standing information is no longer public. Now, maybe the world didn't need to know that I had positive standings with many hundreds of agents, but I loved being able to show off that I had 6+ standing with 20 different corps.

Further, what is the point of this change? If it is to speed up "show info", then surely, CCP can put a button on the bottom so that people can continue to gaze on public standing information. Just like "show info" doesn't load contract information automatically, but gives you the option to view the contracts of the player you're studying.

Or is CCP removing standing altogether? If so, shouldn't that be a task of some group other than the one making incremental changes?

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2011.05.21 20:41:00 - [166]
 

Quote:
The show info page won’t show another players standing to EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE. From now on, it will only display standings relevant to you. This basically limits your ability to be a creepy stalker that keeps an eye on other people’s standings to random agents. It also simplifies the UI.


CCP you suck

Herschel Titania
Posted - 2011.05.22 13:25:00 - [167]
 

Nope, not convinced the messing around with agents will help at all. Might be ok for newbies, but it's going to annoy long standing mission runners.

Circumstantial Evidence
Posted - 2011.05.25 20:55:00 - [168]
 

Bookmarks - on-grid, on overview is nice, but I also want to see my on-grid BM's in SPACE. Since you are already taking additional time - please take some additional, additional time for this tactically useful addition.

Standings - players should have an option to reveal or hide this info, just like certificates. (Default hidden.)

Team BFF - BFF!

Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
Posted - 2011.05.25 23:26:00 - [169]
 

Edited by: Del Narveux on 25/05/2011 23:28:08
A+ changes overall, one little thing I'd like to see fixed though. Unless I'm just looking in the wrong place it appears that removing the liked/disliked by tabs has had the side effect of hiding NPC-to-NPC affiliations. For example, it's pretty common knowledge that the Caldari State and Gallente Federation don't like each other but that information is no longer available ingame, which aside from nurfing the fun pastime of browsing NPC entities is likely to lead to a lot of "how come I'm getting shot at in Essence" angst.

Liked/Disliked By should be visible if the entity being info'd is NPC.

Scalar Angulargf
Rayn Enterprises
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.26 04:36:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Guillaume LeConquerant
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Andski
Originally by: Bernard Modaff
the broadcast history is now missing the name of the pilot who broadcasted


Yeah, this is annoying.


It's terrible.


Could we get an explaination on why this was changed?


Yes, this is a very important piece of information. Who is broadcasting is just as important as what was broadcasted.


On that note, the icon is no longer there, making it hard to tell between the types.

WTB old Broacast History window, but with the new filters

Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom
Posted - 2011.05.26 11:34:00 - [171]
 

so much simplification. simpler is not always better.... :sadface:

Armor Cav
Posted - 2011.05.31 12:58:00 - [172]
 

Bring back the combat mission. This was utter stupidity. Didnt think this one thru, did ya. What about mission arcs, and storylines? They still mix it up, got one type of agent get a different type of missions. Really stupid. Bring back the agents.

Chris Wrenchead
Posted - 2011.06.08 19:53:00 - [173]
 

Please bring back the loot logging. It makes fleet ops soooo much easier in corps.

JusFooling Around
Amarr
JusFooling Around Corp
Posted - 2011.06.29 16:17:00 - [174]
 

I believe a hiring corp needs background info on applicants - in the real world called a "resume'" or a CV (Curriculum Vitae).

Perhaps an applicant could have a standings list magically appear along with the application.

However, "click" and you have the entire history of your WT's haunts... naah, work for it. If you just frivolously dec anyone you see fly by in a freighter because "they must be rich" you might have to do a little work to ever see them again. Or maybe you need to reconsider your war dec criteria.


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