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Raven Zulu
Posted - 2011.05.18 14:56:00 - [121]
 

... most of the people I know in game say they could care less about walking in stations... I think, though that if you could put the barrel of your 1400mm in someone's 'apartment window' in a station that'd be pretty cool... Intimidation much?

On a more serious note:

Not being booted to step 1 on jobs is a win.

While some mission runners may miss a very slight sense of the unknown, most of them seem happy with the changes. The non - missioners were going to moan no matter what so might as well do what you want there if you're going to make a change at all.

Regarding 'easier to be a pirate in 0.0'. OK - true you'll need to watch your shiny ship's back a little more carefully. Still - aligned is aligned and if you and your corp/alliance is watching local you shouldn't have an issue. Guess there's nothing else you can do. Kuz you know... baiting pirates to a horrid death is just mean and wrong and stuff.

Daesis Wrack
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2011.05.18 15:12:00 - [122]
 

Asking again: will bookmarks off-grid be visible on the overview/brackets, or just those on-grid? Will on-grid and off-grid BMs be separately selectable in the overview settings?

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.05.18 15:27:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Daesis Wrack
Asking again: will bookmarks off-grid be visible on the overview/brackets, or just those on-grid? Will on-grid and off-grid BMs be separately selectable in the overview settings?


If you read the devblog it says "Bookmarks can now be added to overview. Hopefully this should allow you to get to your safespots quicker so you can mock people in local from relative safety"

Are safespots meant to be on-grid or off-grid? Wink

Elementatia
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.05.18 15:39:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: CCP Fallout

Update: The changes to bookmarks being added to the overview will be added in a future patch, not the one scheduled for Thursday, May 19.


Sorry guys, I screwed this one up. CCP Frellicus is fixing it as we speak though.


And could you pls move not only the bookmarks to the server, but the folders too ?

Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2011.05.18 16:53:00 - [125]
 

Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 18/05/2011 16:53:43
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
The show info page won’t show another players standing to EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE. From now on, it will only display standings relevant to you. This basically limits your ability to be a creepy stalker that keeps an eye on other people’s standings to random agents. It also simplifies the UI.

How are we supposed to see what penalties we get with faction b if we run missions for faction a?

^ Would still like an answer to this.

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2011.05.18 18:20:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 18/05/2011 16:53:43
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
The show info page won’t show another players standing to EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE. From now on, it will only display standings relevant to you. This basically limits your ability to be a creepy stalker that keeps an eye on other people’s standings to random agents. It also simplifies the UI.

How are we supposed to see what penalties we get with faction b if we run missions for faction a?

^ Would still like an answer to this.


Check out the corporations own standings. Nations that hate them should be displayed there.

Zakurai
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.18 18:21:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Zakurai
I'd like to know how this agent change will affect R&D agents. I found it best to grind their administration section since they had a 50% chance of combat missions (I opt out if it's non-combat). With this change the only way to get a good R&D agent is to do non stop courier missions. This will likely kill any ambition for grinding R&D corps by new people, and will result in a huge loss of data cores, which amounts to higher t2 costs in the market (Ships and mods).

Alternately, you could rename a new section in the R&D corps that will replace admin and still offer the 50% combat missions, or 100% combat, but I'm not greedy.Wink

If all of the agents qualities are going to be the same, then all of the low sec R&D agents will be completely pointless to use.

On another note, are there any plans for dealing with the over saturated material research for empire? Even the low sec stations have huge wait times. You could charge more $/time, but I don't think that will do more than put a band-aid on the issue. I really would love to see industry get some of the limelight, after all industry is the backbone of any pvp engagement on any scale


Bump for answersugh

Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2011.05.18 18:43:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Nova Fox
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 18/05/2011 16:53:43
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
The show info page won’t show another players standing to EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE. From now on, it will only display standings relevant to you. This basically limits your ability to be a creepy stalker that keeps an eye on other people’s standings to random agents. It also simplifies the UI.

How are we supposed to see what penalties we get with faction b if we run missions for faction a?

^ Would still like an answer to this.


Check out the corporations own standings. Nations that hate them should be displayed there.

A: NPC corporations have never had standings to other npcs, only factions do.
B: If you meant factions; their standings tab will also be removed with this upcoming patch so theres no ingame method of finding out the relations between NPC factions.

Komen
Gallente
Capital Enrichment Services
Posted - 2011.05.18 19:36:00 - [129]
 

Most of these changes are pro, good stuff.

The removal of standings info is not so good, for reasons stated above - it's useful for a variety of reasons. Making it a selectable share would be better. And saying 'yeah, there's a performance increase too' is too laughable. If 'show info' would have a default tab, instead of opening 'second from the left' if that's the last thing that was shown, it would be much better.

Nakito Yakiya
Caldari
Yamagata Syndicate
Posted - 2011.05.18 19:41:00 - [130]
 

So I can't see what standings my corp members have. Great! Evil or Very Mad

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.05.18 20:02:00 - [131]
 

Happy with most of this, except:

Agent qualities- if this is a stepping stone towards dynamic quality, then fine. Otherwise, this is a bit disappointing for an end result.

removal of standings info- I understand a need to remove the client freeze while standings loaded, but this is slash & burn. Surely there were other ways to do this? If this detail must be removed, will "background checks" be available from agents similar to locator agents? (maybe a "feature" for Incarna?Mad)

Cosmoes
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.18 21:20:00 - [132]
 

Edited by: Cosmoes on 18/05/2011 22:50:50
Quote:
The show info page won’t show another players standing to EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE. From now on, it will only display standings relevant to you. This basically limits your ability to be a creepy stalker that keeps an eye on other people’s standings to random agents. It also simplifies the UI.


bad, very bad



EDIT: A full reply now that I'm not using on screen keyboard to reply to the blog.

I use this stuff every day, as a low sec dweller I have a lot of random people flying through local and I need to judge if they are a danger or not. Unlike 0.0 it's open space so I can't assume their enemies, and unlike empire I can't assume they will leave me alone. While I tend to get to know the regulars, in low sec there are always new complete randoms that pop in that I need to make a judgement on weather they are a danger or not.


Every bit of information I can gather on a person to make my judgement is important. Their standings is one of the key things I look at, it gives me a bit of an idea of what sort of player they are, which areas they regularly live in.

eg.
random neutral with 1.6 sec status in lvl 5 Minmatar mission system with really high republic fleet standings: Probably a mission runner

vs

random neutral with 1.6 sec status in lvl 5 Minmatar mission system with really high amarr navy standings: Probably a pirate

Infinion
Caldari
Awesome Corp
Posted - 2011.05.18 21:38:00 - [133]
 

Quote:
The show info page won’t show another players standing to EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE. From now on, it will only display standings relevant to you. This basically limits your ability to be a creepy stalker that keeps an eye on other people’s standings to random agents. It also simplifies the UI.


This information is obviously important to us, why not just add a toggle for a full detailed list so players are given the choice if they want to only look at relevant standings, or the full faction and agent standings of the player?





Mr Krosis
Gallente
The humble Crew
Posted - 2011.05.18 22:03:00 - [134]
 

I applaud CCP for a bunch of useful fixes, but I have to add my voice in opposition to the removal of standings.

This is a useful feature on many levels as several people in this thread have already mentioned.

I personally have made use of it when I get friends to start playing EVE, it helps me keep track of their progress and guide them. I also appreciate it as an intelligence tool for at least half a dozen different reasons.

It's also a blow to the roleplaying community. Many people view their standings as a badge of pride, and stripping them of that to "clean up the interface" seems cruel.

I would personally prefer the option to set ANY standing (NPC or PC) to public or private like with certificates. This would give some people a level of privacy, and would allow them to present that information if needed or desired. Publicly visible PC - PC standings is just something I've been wishing for for a while. I think making the visibility optional would satisfy most objections to it.

SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
Posted - 2011.05.18 22:32:00 - [135]
 

Edited by: SencneS on 18/05/2011 22:32:52
Removal of standings information for corps and factions is probably the worst part of this patch as it breaks things in my opinion...

1) People that sell POS Service now have to include screen shots of their standings with Factions on their forum posts because people can't just look at them in game to see if they have what they want.

2) People looking for corp members who don't have too high negative standing can no longer confirm the standing for that player until they are IN CORP! I know I don't want people with massive negative standings in Caldari/Amarr in my corp because I have high standings which allows me to offer Jumpclone standings and POS Deployment ability..

Those are two reasons and two pretty damn good ones if you ask me to KEEP Corp/Faction standings visible. In this thread so far more people have spoken out about it, and NO ONE Has said this is a good idea.. Every comment on it has been how bad it is and how it does "bad" removing it.

A clear indication of poor choice to remove.

Other than that the rest of this patch is hip, jive, groovy, fly, cool, fresh, trendy, gnarly, radical, awesome, rad, sweet, tight, dope, righteous, sick, phat, wicked, pimp, the bomb, epic.


Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
Posted - 2011.05.18 22:33:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: George Wilkes Hill
Originally by: Lady Skank
The changes are pretty good but the "The show info page won’t show another players standing to EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE. From now on, it will only display standings relevant to you. This basically limits your ability to be a creepy stalker that keeps an eye on other people’s standings to random agents. It also simplifies the UI." loses a useful feature.

People in low sec or who have wardecs use this feature to see what local agents somebody might be using in order to lay traps for them, sure its not a massive loss but still.

Wait...you mean you actually have to gather intel on war targets instead of just having the info you want at literally the click of a button. Cry more, because your tears are so tasty; yours and all the others complaining about no more free intel. No more easy mode for you. Keep the tears coming guys, these are the best tears too because it's from the people that usually feed on them. Move along this a good change.


Tears? are you just a little bit special? you should really stop posting until the nice lady at the adult training center has taught you basic reading comprehension, my post did not contain "tears" or any complaint and just pointed a slight loss of functionality.

Mjana
Switzerland EVE Corp.
Posted - 2011.05.19 08:44:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Archestratidas
>>The show info page won’t show another players standing to EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE. From now on, it will only display standings relevant to you. This basically limits your ability to be a creepy stalker that keeps an eye on other people’s standings to random agents. It also simplifies the UI.

So is this going to fix the problem of 'Show Info' pages that default to the standings tab locking up the client for 5-15 seconds while it loads all that useless crap?


Yeah, there's the performance increase too.


I can see the obvious performance issue and there's also the thing about EVE being a dark, cruel place with no ponies and rainbows, so yes, it does make sense not to have sensitive information like this just public for everyone.

But there should definately be an easy way to show standings to other people for reasons like corp recruiting and helping with agent issues.

At the moment, the only way to make sure someone is telling the truth about his standing is to get the limited API key.
So one more reason to have the customizable API keys out soon(tm).
Preferrably with an easy way to access the shared information on EVE gate (in a readable way) without the need to rely on a 3rd party tools.

Aedeal
Posted - 2011.05.19 08:53:00 - [138]
 

Can we get some notes on how the bookmarks thing will work? I'm just thinking of my poor overview when I'm scanning out a Black Hole or Magentar... you can have 100++ sigs in that system, finding your WH bookmarks in that number on your overview is gonna be pointless, I'd rather just use the bookmarks menu.

Would it be at all possible to have a folder of bookmarks that did *not* show up on your overview? Cos I don't want every Token Perimeter Reservoir on there, and I sure as HELL do not want to be warping to a Forgotten Core Info Pen by mistake. My poor little ship wouldn't appreciate that.


TLDR: Can we have a way of sorting which BMs show on the overview, or this is gonna be a really cool feature that ends up as space-junk cos of feature overload.

Pookie McPook
Posted - 2011.05.19 09:22:00 - [139]
 

Not sure what the changes to agents means tbh. Yes, I can see it should have the affect in theory of spreading missioners around, however in reality I can see most people staying where they already are due to laziness and the pure logistics and packing up and moving an operation to another agent. The other unfortunate upshot will be the death of many of the agent finder websites due to it not being that intrinsically important any more.

This is a simplification of the game. Whether it is portentous of a general dumbing down it remains to be seen. Hopefully not.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.05.19 09:23:00 - [140]
 

I'm really sad about not being able to see other peoples standings to NPC's

Not that its a very developed part of the game, but it was one more way to get a feel for a character's history and maybe a tinge of roll play posibilty to it .

I finally got around to having one alt build standign with Quafe.. i've always wanted to have a relation with Quafe and it would be great to see fellow quafe heads or to know who'd been working for an Amar corp known to give the quafe haulers trouble on their routes.

Marchocias
Posted - 2011.05.19 09:52:00 - [141]
 

Please don't hide standings. They're a very useful tool to predict which station a target is using... There is no good reason to do this.

All the other changes... Rock on!

Temerit
Posted - 2011.05.19 10:31:00 - [142]
 

To everyone whining about the Show Info change I have two words for you:

LOCATOR AGENTS


Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.05.19 11:21:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Temerit
To everyone whining about the Show Info change I have two words for you:
LOCATOR AGENTS


So when a rookie corp member asks for advice about missioning, you go to a locator agent?

people used them for a number of reasons- target location being just one of them

ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
Pulsar Nebulah
Army of Lovers.
Posted - 2011.05.19 11:46:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Glyken Touchon

So when a rookie corp member asks for advice about missioning, you go to a locator agent?

people used them for a number of reasons- target location being just one of them


Locator agents give you only current location of people (for a fee and with cooldown time). So it's very limited information. Anyone claiming that it's equivalent of agent standings is a troll.

Gereon Valk
Posted - 2011.05.19 12:03:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Caldari 5

Amalgamating the Agent Divisions - ALRIGHT, whose stupid idea was it to Amalgamate the Divisions? I happen to like the fact that I have a chance to get any type of mission from my Administration and Security Agents, I actually hate my Internal Security agent that keeps on giving me all the same type of mission.
I think that this change will make it fit the "Cream Bun theory" (Too much of a good thing, makes you SICK!) The Removal of divisions is very bad idea!


Well said, Sir.

Floydd Heywood
Posted - 2011.05.19 12:35:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Cosmoes
Edited by: Cosmoes on 18/05/2011 22:50:50
Every bit of information I can gather on a person to make my judgement is important. Their standings is one of the key things I look at, it gives me a bit of an idea of what sort of player they are, which areas they regularly live in.

But why should you have that information? It's bad enough that people even show up in local. Way too much information is given away free for everybody already, and I welcome any change to reduce that.

Apparently, every pilot in k-space makes an automatic transmission whenever he enters a system. It reads "hello people, maybe I'd like to kill you now, but let me first introduce myself: My name is killer123, I am in corp xyz, before that I worked for corp abc and cde, and I like to fly missions for Kaalakiota and Caldari State. If you need any other information about me, please just contact my ship computer and it will transmit all requested information directly to you. And now I will try to sneak up to you and kill you."

Yeah, makes perfect sense Laughing I know why I live in w-space...

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2011.05.19 13:20:00 - [147]
 

Edited by: Tonto Auri on 19/05/2011 13:21:30
Originally by: CCP Masheen
tl:dr no. These changes were designed to give you the ability to tell the difference between BPOs and BPCs at a glance. Those which you own, those in contracts or basically anywhere where people would want you to be able to tell the difference. This is a big improvement on having to delve into the attributes of an item you should know a lot about when you only want to see which type it is.

So, can you tell me at a glance, what are these?
http://img32.imageshack.us/i/bpcs20110519.png/Please visit your user settings to enable images.

http://img32.imageshack.us/i/bpcs20110519.png/

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.05.19 14:00:00 - [148]
 

Edited by: Hakaru Ishiwara on 19/05/2011 14:05:12
Originally by: Floydd Heywood
Originally by: Cosmoes
Edited by: Cosmoes on 18/05/2011 22:50:50
Every bit of information I can gather on a person to make my judgement is important. Their standings is one of the key things I look at, it gives me a bit of an idea of what sort of player they are, which areas they regularly live in.

But why should you have that information? It's bad enough that people even show up in local. Way too much information is given away free for everybody already, and I welcome any change to reduce that.

Apparently, every pilot in k-space makes an automatic transmission whenever he enters a system. It reads "hello people, maybe I'd like to kill you now, but let me first introduce myself: My name is killer123, I am in corp xyz, before that I worked for corp abc and cde, and I like to fly missions for Kaalakiota and Caldari State. If you need any other information about me, please just contact my ship computer and it will transmit all requested information directly to you. And now I will try to sneak up to you and kill you."

Yeah, makes perfect sense Laughing I know why I live in w-space...
As much as I love the mystery of w-space and the "delayed" local channel, there is some sense to a wealth of information being available in 'developed' k-space.

I could see there being a delay in the data delivered when a pilot does a "show info" on a pilot that just showed up in his local chat channel and has never been 'seen' before. For example: 'Scurvy Dog' shows up in local. Miner 'Veld LuVR' does a show info while aligning to his / her safe spot or station while awaiting the data burst from DED / Concord / whomever.

EDIT: CCP probably had to remove standings because of a technical challenge and / or performance problems. I know that when I opened up somebody's standings, the game client would stop functioning for a few seconds as all of that data was downloaded (and I generally have great connectivity to the UK-based server location).

In usual CCP fashion, they remove a feature if they can't be arsed to figure out a creative solution to the problem.

Cosmoes
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.19 14:15:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Floydd Heywood
Originally by: Cosmoes
Edited by: Cosmoes on 18/05/2011 22:50:50
Every bit of information I can gather on a person to make my judgement is important. Their standings is one of the key things I look at, it gives me a bit of an idea of what sort of player they are, which areas they regularly live in.

But why should you have that information? It's bad enough that people even show up in local. Way too much information is given away free for everybody already, and I welcome any change to reduce that.

Apparently, every pilot in k-space makes an automatic transmission whenever he enters a system. It reads "hello people, maybe I'd like to kill you now, but let me first introduce myself: My name is killer123, I am in corp xyz, before that I worked for corp abc and cde, and I like to fly missions for Kaalakiota and Caldari State. If you need any other information about me, please just contact my ship computer and it will transmit all requested information directly to you. And now I will try to sneak up to you and kill you."

Yeah, makes perfect sense Laughing I know why I live in w-space...


I don't mind working for my information, but this is just complete blackout.

If they where gonna add a agent that I could ask to do a background check (while in space) for a fee I would be a lot less annoyed.

It seems to me it's a bit unrealistic I can't just ask my friends in the Minmatar republic "Hey do you know those guys?"



Also I don't see them ever adding any agent to detect players standings like this, too much work for a team that is trying to keep 8 years of content constantly iterated on.

Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.05.19 15:10:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Cosmoes
I don't mind working for my information, but this is just complete blackout.

If they where gonna add a agent that I could ask to do a background check (while in space) for a fee I would be a lot less annoyed.

It seems to me it's a bit unrealistic I can't just ask my friends in the Minmatar republic "Hey do you know those guys?"
Exactly. Where's the creative solution? CCP is seemingly unable to find one.

Originally by: Cosmoes
Also I don't see them ever adding any agent to detect players standings like this, too much work for a team that is trying to keep 8 years of content constantly iterated on.
That's news to me. CCP repeatedly throws stuff at their customers and barely touches those features despite glaring flaws or tremendous storyline and immersion potential.


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