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Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
Posted - 2011.05.16 15:47:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Imiarr Timshae on 16/05/2011 16:15:58
Hello there,

How do we now go about seeing the NPC Standings (Corporate and Faction) of other players, since it is being removed tomorrow?

Using either the API or any other method you are helpfully replacing this previous feature with.

Please note in responding with how to do this that the Standings API is cached for several hours. For example, at 17:01pm it is cached until 19:55pm, almost three hours. In what way are we now able to view this information in (or near) real time?

Edit: Link to Features and Ideas Discussion thread to reinstate or replace this feature immediately: Linky

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.05.16 15:51:00 - [2]
 

show info,
standings

Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
Posted - 2011.05.16 15:51:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: RaTTuS
show info,
standings


Originally by: Patch Notes
Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.05.16 15:53:00 - [4]
 

I'm more interested in whether this will also apply to corps standings…

salty Milk
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:12:00 - [5]
 

well we wouldnt want anybody being able to spot an obvious alt now would we

anvyl sky
Posted - 2011.05.16 17:09:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: anvyl sky on 16/05/2011 17:11:07
it is still possible to see your own standings towards (npc and player)corporations, as before
it is no longer possible to see the standings of OTHER pilots towards (npc and player) corporations but your own corporation

hope that clears it up

i also dont know what they were thinking when they implemented this, it is now harder too spot obvious alt chars, as a previous poster already mentioned

-anvyl

Selene Valkros
Posted - 2011.05.16 17:22:00 - [7]
 

I'm more worried about how this affects corporation standings.

I.E. One enterprising member of your corp has ground standing up to 9.0 with an NPC corporation that gives out jump clones. Since no one else has standing with that corp, the 'average' for your corporation is 9.0.

Suddenly, you accept someone into your corp that has standing with that NPC corp. Because you can't check their standings, BAM! There go your jump clones.

Sure you can ask them, but they could lie or make a mistake.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.05.16 17:34:00 - [8]
 

Yeah, I don't like this change. How can I now show off my awsome standings collection? Devs are just jelly. Sad

Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
Posted - 2011.05.17 06:49:00 - [9]
 

Still looking.

rastavelli
Minmatar
Mortis Angelus
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.05.17 08:03:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Abrazzar
Yeah, I don't like this change. How can I now show off my awesome standings collection? Devs are just jelly. Sad


you could always make a screen shot and place a link in your bio so people can still see your list.

i would think without the list publicly available it will reduce the amount of queries allot since you often end up at the standings page while we do not wanna see that page.

Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
Posted - 2011.05.17 08:31:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: rastavelli
Originally by: Abrazzar
Yeah, I don't like this change. How can I now show off my awesome standings collection? Devs are just jelly. Sad


you could always make a screen shot and place a link in your bio so people can still see your list.

i would think without the list publicly available it will reduce the amount of queries allot since you often end up at the standings page while we do not wanna see that page.


If that's true there is a solution listed on my Features and Ideas Discussion Topic here.

salty Milk
Posted - 2011.05.17 08:43:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: rastavelli
i would think without the list publicly available it will reduce the amount of queries allot since you often end up at the standings page while we do not wanna see that page.


fix arriving at the standings page without wanting to be there then dont blanket remove "game" from the game because some **** bag works out they can save $8 a year in transmission costs
where does your logic draw a line between "game" that can be removed and "game" that should stay?

Damien McCandless
Caldari
Baden's Army
Posted - 2011.05.17 10:01:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: salty Milk

fix arriving at the standings page without wanting to be there then dont blanket remove "game" from the game because some **** bag works out they can save $8 a year in transmission costs
where does your logic draw a line between "game" that can be removed and "game" that should stay?


Around the place where it is a stupid useless feature with isnt worth my PC wasting its precious processing time displaying. Good riddance to stupid nonsense.

What are these transmission costs of which you speak?

salty Milk
Posted - 2011.05.17 10:13:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Damien McCandless
it is a stupid useless feature with isnt worth my PC wasting its precious processing time displaying. Good riddance to stupid nonsense.


Get rid of invention manufacturing mining wormholes research BECAUSE I SAY SO GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH

or maybe just maybe they are useful to people other than myself and i can see that because i have that capability

Damien McCandless
Caldari
Baden's Army
Posted - 2011.05.17 10:36:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: salty Milk

Get rid of holes



I love you Salty, will you marry me? We could have beautiful freak-babies together.

So whats it for if its so great?

salty Milk
Posted - 2011.05.17 10:51:00 - [16]
 

many things just like corp history really it gives you a self biased opinion on what a person has been doing with himself
i have to work like a dog to hide my alts by working l1 missions so i have good standing with l1 agents no good just ganging l4 with a main
who is going to recruit and trust a l4 mission runner with no l1 standings
well actually lots of people but nobody worth a long term infiltration

that just one way my life gets easier but similarly i can no longer look at a potential victim and determine from his standings where he runs his mission from
locator says he is in say "halle" but he has no l4 standings with any halle agents so is he going to "bereye" when he is done. standings would tell you.

not any more they have removed "game" from the game
expansions expand eve but then they contract other parts on balance there is more eve than there was but would be nice if instead of removing things they were rejigged so they dont mess up the server like missiles

they actually spent the time and money making missiles not so screwy even ccp knew they could not get away with prismxing them out of the game

see what i did there i invented a new term on the fly PRISMXING
it is like the term awoxing but it means removing things from the game without necessarily having a full picture of what you are removing

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.05.17 11:05:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Tippia
I'm more interested in whether this will also apply to corps standings…


Same here but if corp standings aren's about to be screwed somehow this wouldn't be an important change. Once corp "x" has the "y" standing set by the CEO your overview will show you a blue or not, so...w8 & see.

And...
Who cares about NPC standings of "x" or "y" other than your own corp/alliance?- peeps have an overview, it's red = shoot Laughing

Damien McCandless
Caldari
Baden's Army
Posted - 2011.05.17 11:07:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: salty Milk
many things just like corp history really it gives you a self biased opinion on what a person has been doing with himself
i have to work like a dog to hide my alts by working l1 missions so i have good standing with l1 agents no good just ganging l4 with a main
who is going to recruit and trust a l4 mission runner with no l1 standings
well actually lots of people but nobody worth a long term infiltration

that just one way my life gets easier but similarly i can no longer look at a potential victim and determine from his standings where he runs his mission from
locator says he is in say "halle" but he has no l4 standings with any halle agents so is he going to "bereye" when he is done. standings would tell you.

not any more they have removed "game" from the game
expansions expand eve but then they contract other parts on balance there is more eve than there was but would be nice if instead of removing things they were rejigged so they dont mess up the server like missiles

they actually spent the time and money making missiles not so screwy even ccp knew they could not get away with prismxing them out of the game

see what i did there i invented a new term on the fly PRISMXING
it is like the term awoxing but it means removing things from the game without necessarily having a full picture of what you are removing


Nope still not seeing why that would be a useful thing to have.

More useful would be my GUI not spazzing out everytime I open the corp or alliance info pages and getting a page of nonsense about how loved they are by some single-player mode agent I have never heard of.

If it IS useful to ninja looters (and I have nothing against your sort, teahces PVE scum a lesson), why not just make it so I can turn it off and never have to look at the hateful thing ever again,but you can turn it on when you want to see how much rep you next victim has?

Kerppe Krulli
Posted - 2011.05.17 11:20:00 - [19]
 

Why should standings be visible anyways, its not like anyone otherwise would know your goings. It seems more like people looking for "marks" are complaining they can't tell where their marks will be. Boo hoo.


If a corp is worried about standings regarding the JC issue the fix is simple, require a screenshot of the person's standings as part of application process. Many require login screen shots and API keys, this is just another layer for diligent recruitment (if they're not diligent too f'ing bad if their JC relations are ruined).

salty Milk
Posted - 2011.05.17 12:37:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Damien McCandless
Nope still not seeing why that would be a useful thing to have.


maybe i would draw you a picture but it seems clear you are against understanding why

if your gui is spazzing out fix the gui

Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
Posted - 2011.05.17 17:29:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Imiarr Timshae on 17/05/2011 17:30:26
Originally by: Damien McCandless

Around the place where it is a stupid useless feature with isnt worth my PC wasting its precious processing time displaying. Good riddance to stupid nonsense.


Originally by: Damien McCandless

More useful would be my GUI not spazzing out everytime I open the corp or alliance info pages and getting a page of nonsense about how loved they are by some single-player mode agent I have never heard of.

If it IS useful to ninja looters (and I have nothing against your sort, teahces PVE scum a lesson), why not just make it so I can turn it off and never have to look at the hateful thing ever again,but you can turn it on when you want to see how much rep you next victim has?


So give people the option to see it without it loading automatically with "Show Info" as per my features and ideas discussion thread here.

Dr Nefarius
Posted - 2011.05.17 17:38:00 - [22]
 

I see this as a welcome nerf to intel in local channel. Knowing after a couple second after someone enters system if he's a missionrunning carebear and where he does his carebearing is a little too easy.

Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
Posted - 2011.05.17 17:57:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Dr Nefarius
I see this as a welcome nerf to intel in local channel. Knowing after a couple second after someone enters system if he's a missionrunning carebear and where he does his carebearing is a little too easy.



So enable it to be only for those in fleet with each other, as per my features and ideas discussion thread, here.

Damien McCandless
Caldari
Baden's Army
Posted - 2011.05.17 18:14:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: salty Milk

i r spazz


How about instead of being rude and inventing words you just told me?

This why I swore off women for life.

Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
Posted - 2011.05.17 18:22:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Damien McCandless


How about instead of being rude and inventing words you just told me?

This why I swore off women for life.


Hey Sailor Wink

On an alternate note, do you agree that fleet only or a button would solve the problems you have with standings in their old form?

Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
Posted - 2011.05.18 15:02:00 - [26]
 

Still after a reply.

Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
Posted - 2011.05.19 08:08:00 - [27]
 

Patch day (Yay Rolling Eyes)

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2011.05.19 08:10:00 - [28]
 

eveboard should still have it for those that are listed anyway, since it's in the API...

Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
Posted - 2011.05.19 08:16:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Imiarr Timshae on 19/05/2011 08:18:11
Originally by: Chribba
eveboard should still have it for those that are listed anyway, since it's in the API...


HOLY GOD CHRIBBA POST Shocked

Also yes we are using Eveboards, except the API only updates once every 3hrs. Plus the other disadvantage is that you have to show your skills to people now if you want them to see their standings via Eveboards Razz

GCs Girl
Posted - 2011.05.19 08:22:00 - [30]
 

Removing the standings is a great way to disugise if a player is using a mining bot. Bots are trained for the Hulk and that's it. No corp standings, no faction standings, no character.
Hmmm... I wonder why this pointless change?


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