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sabre906
Posted - 2011.05.16 15:33:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: sabre906 on 16/05/2011 15:33:55
http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?patchlogID=226

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Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.


What purpose does this serve? When grinding standings for someone, now you need their API to check progress instead of just seeing character info in game. It benefits no one in the game, only adds annoyances.

Danika Princip
Minmatar
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.05.16 15:47:00 - [2]
 

It removes the annoying lag I get when I try to look at someone's standings to see if they're actually neutral or if it's an overview bug. That's a good thing.

You can still check your own standings, but after it hits, I can't check yours. Why I would have been able to in the past, I have no idea.

sabre906
Posted - 2011.05.16 15:56:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: sabre906 on 16/05/2011 15:57:25
Originally by: Danika Princip
It removes the annoying lag I get when I try to look at someone's standings to see if they're actually neutral or if it's an overview bug. That's a good thing.

You can still check your own standings, but after it hits, I can't check yours. Why I would have been able to in the past, I have no idea.


No. It's on a separate tab from your relation to the character. Default tab is whatever you have open last time. It produces no lag unless you click on it.

Whatever overview bug you're referring to, if it exist, need to be fixed. You do not break something else for a workaround. In this case, the workaround works fine even if you don't break character info tab.

I need to check standings of clients who may be afk. Even if they're around, I can't ask them every other mission or take their word for it. Also, you own standings info is bugged, you don't see standings updates unless you relog, so asking won't help.

Danika Princip
Minmatar
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:23:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: sabre906
Edited by: sabre906 on 16/05/2011 15:57:25
Originally by: Danika Princip
It removes the annoying lag I get when I try to look at someone's standings to see if they're actually neutral or if it's an overview bug. That's a good thing.

You can still check your own standings, but after it hits, I can't check yours. Why I would have been able to in the past, I have no idea.


No. It's on a separate tab from your relation to the character. Default tab is whatever you have open last time. It produces no lag unless you click on it.

Whatever overview bug you're referring to, if it exist, need to be fixed. You do not break something else for a workaround. In this case, the workaround works fine even if you don't break character info tab.

I need to check standings of clients who may be afk. Even if they're around, I can't ask them every other mission or take their word for it. Also, you own standings info is bugged, you don't see standings updates unless you relog, so asking won't help.


Default tab is always NPC standings for me. It's not something I've ever looked at, so I have no idea why that is, but iut always opens on that. And please, don't doubt that the overview bug exists. I don't know why it does, but blues show as neuts on entering systems sometimes. I've lost ships to it before, and I've almost shot friendly caps more times than I care to think of.

Common Origin
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:50:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Danika Princip
Originally by: sabre906
Edited by: sabre906 on 16/05/2011 15:57:25
Originally by: Danika Princip
It removes the annoying lag I get when I try to look at someone's standings to see if they're actually neutral or if it's an overview bug. That's a good thing.

You can still check your own standings, but after it hits, I can't check yours. Why I would have been able to in the past, I have no idea.


No. It's on a separate tab from your relation to the character. Default tab is whatever you have open last time. It produces no lag unless you click on it.

Whatever overview bug you're referring to, if it exist, need to be fixed. You do not break something else for a workaround. In this case, the workaround works fine even if you don't break character info tab.

I need to check standings of clients who may be afk. Even if they're around, I can't ask them every other mission or take their word for it. Also, you own standings info is bugged, you don't see standings updates unless you relog, so asking won't help.


Default tab is always NPC standings for me. It's not something I've ever looked at, so I have no idea why that is, but iut always opens on that. And please, don't doubt that the overview bug exists. I don't know why it does, but blues show as neuts on entering systems sometimes. I've lost ships to it before, and I've almost shot friendly caps more times than I care to think of.


That has to do with overall tab count. It's a separate issue. If you open the character info of someone with an additional tab, such as medals and achievements, it opens up that tab, even though you had relationships subtab in the standings tab open last time on someone without the medals tab, because it's the Xth tab counting from the front. Then, when you click on the standings tab, it defaults back to npc standings subtab. An easy fix would be to put medals tab at the back, or even relationships subtab in front of the npc standings subtab.

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.05.16 17:22:00 - [6]
 

  • You won't be able to easily tell if someone is a frequent mission runner or pvper.
  • Currently, you can take an educated guess which of the stations in high-sec someone is likely to be docked in based on standings, and also work out where you can run to for faction police help if they start chasing you.
  • "on a pilot's standings towards NPC Corporations"- does that mean someone's faction standings will still be visible? How about a corp's standings? (for POS setup)

I'm going to reserve judgement on this until we know the reason for this flat removal, but it seems like removal of useful info for no real benefit.


[tinfoil]
maybe doing a background check on someone is something that is being moved to incarna?
[/tinfoil]

Goose99
Posted - 2011.05.16 18:16:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Glyken Touchon
  • You won't be able to easily tell if someone is a frequent mission runner or pvper.
  • Currently, you can take an educated guess which of the stations in high-sec someone is likely to be docked in based on standings, and also work out where you can run to for faction police help if they start chasing you.
  • "on a pilot's standings towards NPC Corporations"- does that mean someone's faction standings will still be visible? How about a corp's standings? (for POS setup)

I'm going to reserve judgement on this until we know the reason for this flat removal, but it seems like removal of useful info for no real benefit.


[tinfoil]
maybe doing a background check on someone is something that is being moved to incarna?
[/tinfoil]


Most of good pvpers are vets who's been around long enough to have standing records anyway. If you see someone without standings, it means he's a noob rather than pvper. Mission runners will have numerous standings with numerous agents, you won't be able to tell anyway. Viewable NPC standings has been around for a long time, the fact that people don't trail carebears with it already is because it works in theory, but not in practice.

nugget906
Posted - 2011.05.21 18:45:00 - [8]
 


Kerrisone
Posted - 2011.05.21 23:48:00 - [9]
 

This change was short sighted in removing a valuable information tool that was rarely if ever 'abused' to stalk players and claims of DB calls could have been more elegantly addressed.

A simple expandable tab could have been implemented to only show standings when opened and thus the DB call only happens when specifically selected. This could have further been streamlined to have various corps given their own tab to expand so that you'd see only the agents standings with specific corporations instead of them all at the top then all the agents at the bottom.

Without standings we lose one of the few 'reputation' aspects pilots have in their claims of who they are and what they've done.

One thing that comes to mind is to know whether alleged 'new' pilots begging for isk or asking for help have done the tutorials. Barring the ability to check their record and see if they've done the tutorial missions or ANY mission for anyone they are all cast in doubt. Further new players asking for help as to where their home system is now go from being able to check their initial tutorial agent's location to the much longer explanation of 'how' they can find that barring having assets at that place. The short answer of 'Todaki' now becomes check your assets, open your character sheet, check standings find your agents, etc and so on.

Simply put CCP didn't think this through and once again removed information and 'reduced' EVE because they were trying to optimize things. Noble effort, ham fisted implementation, if attempts were made for elegance without sacrificing information this would not be an issue.

Guy LeDuche
Posted - 2011.05.22 15:46:00 - [10]
 


Wraithik
Posted - 2011.05.23 00:45:00 - [11]
 

Similar to the other post...but yes. This info is needed.


 

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