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Bubanni
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.16 22:05:00 - [151]
 

Theres a few things I dislike, about the changes...
The 1 jump bridge per system, and ships with jump drives not being able to jump through jump bridges...

That effectively means you can't move in capitals to a cyno jammed system in your own space. (ofc you can just turn off the cyno jammer... but still)

But it's changes I personly can live with :)

Boredom Incarnate
Posted - 2011.05.16 22:12:00 - [152]
 

For the last few good months, all I read seems to indicate that Eve's economy has to many ISK faucets ant too few sinks. Sooooo... let's upgrade all the agents to quality 20 and make sure that your agent of choice never offers you a mission you don't want (courier or any other 'boring' thing)... that should take care of the problem... YEAH.

Also, I feel the changes to the agents are dumbing down the game. It simply removes the challenge of doing a bit of research in order to find the best agent for your purpose.
I agree that the game needs to get a bit more newbie-friendly, but I don't think this is the way, by over-simplifying stuff.

cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers
Posted - 2011.05.16 22:16:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: ovenproofjet
Quote:
The capabilities of the onboard scanner have been substantially increased. The range is now 64 AU and the delay to return results is only 10 seconds.


EPIC. Sanctum runners beware Twisted Evil


My thoughts exactly! I first tought you meant the DIRECTIONAL scanner, however my mistake its the onboard 'probing scanner'

Xiang Jiao
Posted - 2011.05.16 22:17:00 - [154]
 

CCP:

When can we expect delayed local chat in null sec space? I want my cold, harsh universe now!

Boredom Incarnate
Posted - 2011.05.16 22:20:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: Xiang Jiao
CCP:

When can we expect delayed local chat in null sec space? I want my cold, harsh universe now!


Or even better: When can we expect delayed local chat [period]?

Amber Accelerando
Posted - 2011.05.16 22:55:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: ivar R'dhak
Edited by: ivar R''dhak on 16/05/2011 11:05:35
So will those new social skills be rank 1, so that they old skills can be mostly refunded?
And what about the skill books? How will you refund the LPs?


CCP done went and lost their freaking minds. I mean where does it end? How many more skills are we gonna lose?

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.05.16 22:55:00 - [157]
 

OMG!!

I am in love CCP, love!! Thank you so much!

JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.05.16 23:03:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Amber Accelerando
Originally by: ivar R'dhak
Edited by: ivar R''dhak on 16/05/2011 11:05:35
So will those new social skills be rank 1, so that they old skills can be mostly refunded?
And what about the skill books? How will you refund the LPs?


CCP done went and lost their freaking minds. I mean where does it end? How many more skills are we gonna lose?


Seeing as I stopped running missions awhile back, I'm happy to get my sp refunded from those social skills I raised for no other reason but mission running.

Kerella Ellestra Fawnswarthe
Posted - 2011.05.16 23:07:00 - [159]
 

Edited by: Kerella Ellestra Fawnswarthe on 16/05/2011 23:08:54
The new Security, Distribution and Mining divisions now provide uniform types of missions instead of a mission type that was percentage based.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . W H A T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And this is fair to players with higher skill points how? So Nubs no longer have to earn their payouts?

I could be wrong but that sounds exactly like what I understand a nerf to be...

OK so now it's not important to train your skillbooks right? I mean why bother if now all I need to do is run missions to get paid like the big boys do too...

Now I too can become an AFK Multi-Billionaire!!!

Auto-Pilot... HERE I COME!!!

Elzon1
Caldari
Shadow Boys Corp
Bloodbound.
Posted - 2011.05.16 23:41:00 - [160]
 

"The capabilities of the onboard scanner have been substantially increased. The range is now 64 AU and the delay to return results is only 10 seconds."

I'm liking this, I don't have to use a scanning ship now. Hmm... don't have an excuse to be lazy any moreugh

"Ships with jumpdrives are now unable to use jump bridges with the exception of ships belonging to the Black Ops ship category."

Basically this means only subcaps can use them and jump freighters can't use it to distribute resources, so why would anyone use them anymore. I predict if there is a cost effective way to take down the jump bridges and not have to pay it's fees anymore it will happen en mass. I guess there will be high demand for cyno alts then. So basically, jump bridges will be rarely if ever used anymore.

" When holding down ‘alt’, your probes will scale around the center, making it easier to adjust them. A green line has added to make it more intuitive."

First, "has" should be "was" Laughing

And what exactly does "scale around the center" mean or what does it look like?

Time to load up sisi methinks Very Happy

"Unique icons have been created for Blueprint originals and Blueprint copies so you can visibly differentiate between them."

Oh very nice. Now we should be able to distinguish between a bpo and a bpc in our killmails.Twisted Evil

Everything else seems good from my perspective. Very Happy

VESUVI0US
Posted - 2011.05.16 23:53:00 - [161]
 

Edited by: VESUVI0US on 16/05/2011 23:53:10
Originally by: Haunting Widow
So, when will we be able to change T3 subsystems in W-space? Wasn't that supposed to come this winter?




only took them a life time to fix blueprints

Limitanes
Unlimited Blade Works
Nulli Tertius
Posted - 2011.05.16 23:56:00 - [162]
 

Blueprint icon changes and onboard scanner changes: awesome.

One question though, CCP...with the changes to JB functionality and the in-the-pipeline change to JBs-per-system, are there any plans to let us remove upgrades from ihubs? Right now your only choice to get rid of an unwanted upgrade is to unanchor the ihub, which destroys all of the upgrades contained within. The restriction of capital access to JBs is dramatically changing the way a lot of people look at their spread of jump bridge and cynosural system jammer upgrades, and having to scrag several billion isk (and millions of m3 worth of items) in upgrades just to get rid of one due to design-change-imposed depreciation is somewhat vexing, both fiscally and logistically, especially for us poor bastards out on the far corners of the nullsec map.

tl;dr since you're changing all this JB-related stuff, let us surgically remove upgrades from ihubs, plzkthx? ugh

George Wilkes Hill
Posted - 2011.05.17 00:11:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Davon Kastire
Originally by: dssouleater

npc standings not shown?? wtf??? made the botters easier to spot and the carebears easier to find in war .... oh more carebear whinage here too?


Another reason to leave them as they are.


Your tears are delicious keep them coming. No more easy mode for you and you cry. Work for you kill. So awesome to see the tears of the people who usually feed on them it's glorious.

Mufa Jaynara
Posted - 2011.05.17 00:24:00 - [164]
 

Edited by: Mufa Jaynara on 17/05/2011 00:24:43
LoL!!! I just realized that buffing missions is = to nerfing them :D since most of the value comes from LP, and LP value is based on supply and demand... and supply increases as more people are able to farm missions effectively! :P <3 you CCP you guys are brilliant!

Marl Shawn
Posted - 2011.05.17 00:44:00 - [165]
 

Quote:
When holding down ‘alt’, your probes will scale around the center, making it easier to adjust them. A green line has added to make it more intuitive.
Am I the only one who's insanely excited about this!? No more cumulative hours of dragging each individual probe in closer every time you drop down a radius, and a green line to boot (lol).

UI usability and hotkey tweaks like this always tend to get overlooked, but for those of us who make our living doing these same tasks hundreds of times a day (wormholing ftw) they really help to streamline the whole process.

This entire update seems to reflect the philosophy that a good game should be complex in concept in that it gives its players a wide range of paths through which they can plan the route to their goals, but practically simple so that they can carry out those plans as swiftly and efficiently as possible, and I applaud that. Thanks CCP Cool

Rahnim
Posted - 2011.05.17 00:48:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Mufa Jaynara
Edited by: Mufa Jaynara on 17/05/2011 00:24:43
LoL!!! I just realized that buffing missions is = to nerfing them :D since most of the value comes from LP, and LP value is based on supply and demand... and supply increases as more people are able to farm missions effectively! :P <3 you CCP you guys are brilliant!


Yeah, but I guess it will take a little while to ballance out.

Jacque Cruix
Posted - 2011.05.17 01:13:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: ivar R'dhak
Edited by: ivar R''dhak on 16/05/2011 11:05:35
So will those new social skills be rank 1, so that they old skills can be mostly refunded?
And what about the skill books? How will you refund the LPs?


I was on test last night and they were each rank 2 with a 10% per level bonus.


Olivia Berett
Caldari
Brasfleet Networking Co.
Posted - 2011.05.17 01:24:00 - [168]
 

It is amazing. People complain about some "mitical" dumb down of EVE, but in the same breath they complain about changes intended to make that EVE is not only a combat/PvP game.

There are people playing EVE for more than just combat/PvP. And when EVE become all about Combat/PvP, it will sure be the über childplay.

Trog LoDite
Posted - 2011.05.17 01:29:00 - [169]
 

Quote:
The capabilities of the onboard scanner have been substantially increased. The range is now 64 AU and the delay to return results is only 10 seconds.


I feel a disturbance in the force. As if millions of ninja salvagers/looters/griefers suddenly cried out in great joy. *faceplant*

Thankfully this does not extend to cosmic signatures (yet).

Kieron VonDeux
Posted - 2011.05.17 01:37:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Olivia Berett
It is amazing. People complain about some "mitical" dumb down of EVE, but in the same breath they complain about changes intended to make that EVE is not only a combat/PvP game.

There are people playing EVE for more than just combat/PvP. And when EVE become all about Combat/PvP, it will sure be the über childplay.


I take everything I read on the forums with a half a pound of rock salt, after being in some fleets over the years.

FC: "OMG, this change sucks, everyone post how this change sucks in the thread I just linked",
Random Pilot:"How does it suck?"

It would make the Sansha proud.




kanlance
Gallente
Zero Core Labs
Posted - 2011.05.17 02:47:00 - [171]
 

The one thing I don't like:

Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.

CCP needs to explain this more, -9000 until they do.

Kieron VonDeux
Posted - 2011.05.17 02:51:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: kanlance
The one thing I don't like:

Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.

CCP needs to explain this more, -9000 until they do.


I guess the mission-runner stalkers will have to do their homework a bit more.
Oh wait...


Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr
Vengeance Industrial Militia
Posted - 2011.05.17 03:47:00 - [173]
 

Can you change this please? Whenever a ship stops moving, it automatically straightens itself horizontally, which I find very unrealistic.

Solution: Remove the Automatic Horizontal Alignment.

OsamaBinLaden Usoko
Posted - 2011.05.17 04:03:00 - [174]
 

QQ I want switch out subsystems in space Sad Anyone with me?

Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2011.05.17 04:07:00 - [175]
 

Edited by: Lederstrumpf on 17/05/2011 04:07:15
Originally by: Gladni Jura
WTF, Onboard scanner 64AU, what is next, mag, ladar, grav snd radar site on onboard scanner. ughughugh


That's what they need to "compensate" for the expanded probe launcher fukkup - they'll raise in price due to SoE nerf - so less people will have good probing capabilities early on.

I enjoyed doing kill missions for SoE here and there. The patch will nerf it. So yet another "expansion" is cripping the game, nullifying the past effort to fly missions to get access to the Gicodel agent.

C'mon CCP -- remove PvP, PvE and mining alltogether!

Just courier missions and station walking! And raise time code price by factor three while you are at it!

Less content for the money! YAY, EXCELLENT!

And this video comes in mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3gFIDiBq0E

Omagus Xavin
Posted - 2011.05.17 04:11:00 - [176]
 

I'm overall happy with the mission changes, a bit oversimplified in my opinion, but overall for the better. The only thing I dont like is the fact that Public relation agents are going to distribution rather than security, since most people run them for combat missions rather than courier missions. This also completely kills lv4 SoE highsec mission running, and turns Osmon into a hub, and kills all existing lv4 SoE Highsec hubs, namely Gicodel.

Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2011.05.17 04:12:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Marl Shawn
Quote:
When holding down ‘alt’, your probes will scale around the center, making it easier to adjust them. A green line has added to make it more intuitive.
Am I the only one who's insanely excited about this!?


I'm not. Anybody dare to bet whether it'll be bugged on Mac?

Elmore Jones
Electric Monk inc
Redrum Fleet
Posted - 2011.05.17 04:35:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: REiiGN15
All I basically got out of this was that CCP is really trying to emphasize PvP gameplay.

...

They should completely get rid of Social skills. I guess someone has their reasons for them.




From years of game forums I'd say that social skills can be sorely lacking. Or did you mean skill books? :P

Good patch CCP, but I'm still not sold on the rest of the jump bridge changes.

Quincy Taggart
Posted - 2011.05.17 04:40:00 - [179]
 

BPO/BPC icon... about effing time! Everything else is ****...caps can't use JB.. dumb. You guys so need to shoot the founders and get in a management team that can actually run the company and that LISTENS TO THE CUSTOMER BASE!!

You guys are destroying the game...no more annual renewals for my accounts...I'll take that $400 and buy a new gun to shoot at the range - at least that will relieve some stress! Eve used to be stress relief via PvE before you nerfed the anoms in 0.0...now Eve IS stress waiting for the next stupid move CCP makes. Sofa king stupid.

Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sadEVE 2006 - 2012 R.I.P.Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sad


OsamaBinLaden Usoko
Posted - 2011.05.17 04:44:00 - [180]
 

Edited by: OsamaBinLaden Usoko on 17/05/2011 04:44:22
Originally by: Quincy Taggart
BPO/BPC icon... about effing time! Everything else is ****...caps can't use JB.. dumb. You guys so need to shoot the founders and get in a management team that can actually run the company and that LISTENS TO THE CUSTOMER BASE!!

You guys are destroying the game...no more annual renewals for my accounts...I'll take that $400 and buy a new gun to shoot at the range - at least that will relieve some stress! Eve used to be stress relief via PvE before you nerfed the anoms in 0.0...now Eve IS stress waiting for the next stupid move CCP makes. Sofa king stupid.

Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sadEVE 2006 - 2012 R.I.P.Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sad


Could careless about missions but truth. Devs do this crap in every game eventually. Downwarddddddssss until crash. Stop changing **** that doesn't need to be changed.


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