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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:05:00 - [91]
 

Yes! I've been kicking myself for bothering to even train those connections skills years back before I realized how boring missioning is! Now I get that SP back! Rock on!

YARRRR!!

Davon Kastire
Caldari
Hit it n' Quit it
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:12:00 - [92]
 

Quote:
Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.


Am I reading this correctly?

If my standings with certain NPC corps are no longer visible to others, then what does that mean for corps who recruit based on the recruit's standings toward said NPC corp or faction?

There are quite a few out there who use that method and might not take this change lightly. It's a matter of security to them.

Ghurthe
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:13:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Davon Kastire
Quote:
Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.


Am I reading this correctly?

If my standings with certain NPC corps are no longer visible to others, then what does that mean for corps who recruit based on the recruit's standings toward said NPC corp or faction?

There are quite a few out there who use that method and might not take this change lightly. It's a matter of security to them.


Get their limited API key and look it up on eveboard like everyone else.

Pivalak
Haiku Enterprises
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:14:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Kary Tamona
Some simplification may be OK but part of the challenge of EvE is its complexity.


This. Perhaps the mission system needed to be revamped, but please don't oversimplify it like that, by flattening Agent Divisions and removing any remaining subtleties in terms of Agent Quality differences.

I think the best of EVE is the rich experience (call it complexity, if you want) it tends to offer in most -if not all- of its aspects. This way, I feel you are effectively taking away most of that richness for mission runners. Is this intended? A preview of the path EVE development in general will adopt from now on, in order to make the game easier to grasp and open to a wider player audience? (Honest question, not much of a pun intended).

Mission running is an important part of the game for many of us, but it looks like it will become a plain and standardized activity after this patch. What are your plans for it? Will it regain part of its "charm" in the near future?

Wendi Watson
Organization Too Secret To Know
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:24:00 - [95]
 

Quote:
Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.


Yeah CCP, why this seemingly random and unnecessary change?

herot
Fortunis - Redux
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:24:00 - [96]
 

What about the missing DED complexes in low-sec and High-sec?
I thought that some of them were planned for this patch as well
(based on the previous BFF-blog).


JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:26:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Wendi Watson
Quote:
Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.


Yeah CCP, why this seemingly random and unnecessary change?


Yeah this is the only thing in the patch notes that baffles me... I'm trying to think of "why" they suddenly decided to change this.

Ghurthe
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:27:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: JC Anderson
Originally by: Wendi Watson
Quote:
Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.


Yeah CCP, why this seemingly random and unnecessary change?


Yeah this is the only thing in the patch notes that baffles me... I'm trying to think of "why" they suddenly decided to change this.


So you can't figure out where somebody missions at a glance. So you can't gather tons of intel super easily on somebody or their corp.

Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERWHERE
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:28:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Better Than You
Quote:
The capabilities of the onboard scanner have been substantially increased. The range is now 64 AU and the delay to return results is only 10 seconds.


What the hell is this?! Another nerf to us? First the anomaly nerf, then the jump bridge nerf and now this?? WHY DON'T YOU JUST CUT OFF MY BALLS AND PUT THEM IN A JELLY JAR AND GIVE THEM TO MY ENEMIES!!!!!!!!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!!


How is this a nerf and why are you so important that your opinion weighs more heavily on the mechanics than that of the developers?

Darod Zyree
Gallente
Zyree Holding
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:28:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: JC Anderson
Originally by: Wendi Watson
Quote:
Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.


Yeah CCP, why this seemingly random and unnecessary change?


Yeah this is the only thing in the patch notes that baffles me... I'm trying to think of "why" they suddenly decided to change this.


confirming this method is used to recruit newbs


Custo Dean
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:30:00 - [101]
 

so the mission "tweak" is going from effective qua 50 to 20?
or am i reading it wrong?

Davon Kastire
Caldari
Hit it n' Quit it
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:31:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Ghurthe
Originally by: Davon Kastire
Quote:
Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.


Am I reading this correctly?

If my standings with certain NPC corps are no longer visible to others, then what does that mean for corps who recruit based on the recruit's standings toward said NPC corp or faction?

There are quite a few out there who use that method and might not take this change lightly. It's a matter of security to them.


Get their limited API key and look it up on eveboard like everyone else.


Well it's not only that, the main reason people look at player profiles is to check standings, that and the corp they belong to and that corp's standings, then alliance standings after that. The only things worth looking besides standings is whatever is put in the Bio (if there is one).

Deedee Hakata
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:31:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Patch notes
Agents & Missions
  • Agent Quality has been removed meaning that all Agents are now +20 in terms of payout and -20 in terms of access. Go forth, Capsuleers, and explore the world outside of Motsu and Dodixie.

  • Agent Divisions have been simplified from 20 down to just 3. The new Security, Distribution and Mining divisions now provide uniform types of missions instead of a mission type that was percentage based.


This means the market hubs will also disappear, meaning more work for the market players among us. Aw shucks. Sad

Davon Kastire
Caldari
Hit it n' Quit it
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:36:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: Davon Kastire on 16/05/2011 16:36:11
Originally by: Ghurthe
Originally by: JC Anderson
Originally by: Wendi Watson
Quote:
Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.


Yeah CCP, why this seemingly random and unnecessary change?


Yeah this is the only thing in the patch notes that baffles me... I'm trying to think of "why" they suddenly decided to change this.


So you can't figure out where somebody missions at a glance. So you can't gather tons of intel super easily on somebody or their corp.


Well that's stupid. If my standings are high with the Caldari Navy and someone tries to hunt my missions based on this then they'll have to look all over Caldari controlled space.

Standings with a an NPC corp isn't much of a secret to hide

Ghurthe
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:40:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Davon Kastire


Well that's stupid. If my standings are high with the Caldari Navy and someone tries to hunt my missions based on this then they'll have to look all over Caldari controlled space.

Standings with a an NPC corp isn't much of a secret to hide


You look at which agent you have personal standings to +10 with

Donna Domino
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:42:00 - [106]
 

Quote:
Standings with a an NPC corp isn't much of a secret to hide


If they see you have a standing of 9.00+ with certain agents (currently possible) they know exactly where you mission, making it very easy to track you down and set up an ambush. With this information no longer public they would have to use a locator agent while you are online to effectively stalk you.

Davon Kastire
Caldari
Hit it n' Quit it
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:47:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: Davon Kastire on 16/05/2011 16:48:02
Originally by: Ghurthe
Originally by: Davon Kastire


Well that's stupid. If my standings are high with the Caldari Navy and someone tries to hunt my missions based on this then they'll have to look all over Caldari controlled space.

Standings with a an NPC corp isn't much of a secret to hide


You look at which agent you have personal standings to +10 with


So what?!

It's not like you can't avoid whoever it is who's hunting you. And if I'm a war target to someone and he finds my missions using those methods then I say that's perfect war strategy and adds to the risk vs reward factor of EVE.

Even if it's a can flipper, you can just refuse to play into his bull**** and not shoot him. And as for ninja salvagers, I just destroy the wrecks and deny him a prize.

Sora De'Quasar
Minmatar
Cosmodynamics
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:48:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Ghurthe
Originally by: JC Anderson
Originally by: Wendi Watson
Quote:
Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.


Yeah CCP, why this seemingly random and unnecessary change?


Yeah this is the only thing in the patch notes that baffles me... I'm trying to think of "why" they suddenly decided to change this.


So you can't figure out where somebody missions at a glance. So you can't gather tons of intel super easily on somebody or their corp.



good point :)

dssouleater
Amarr
Underworld Protection Agency
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:48:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: dssouleater on 16/05/2011 16:53:04
blueprint changes good , the only good change here

mission changes .. are you guys on drugs?? seriously? a lot of us worked our way up to use better agents . this is not WoW .
nice i trained up them skillbooks military conenctions etc to level v , way to waste my time there and my isk to buy them books! more dumbing down and silly changes . its no point getting rid of things like this to benefit the new guys . some of us have played for over 5 years and like the fact we have more and better skills than the new guys... dont keep removing this from us.

jump bridge changes seem illogical . so carebears whine and you guys listen judging by these ludicrious changes , another pointless patch for the kids from WoW .
npc standings not shown?? wtf??? made the botters easier to spot and the carebears easier to find in war .... oh more carebear whinage here too?

im dissappointed yet again ccp , some of us play this game for how complex it is and how much pvp they can get but its dumbed down so much that carebears can roam free . whats gonna happen in the next patch/nerf/dumb down patch?

getting rather annoyed with this sillyness ugh

Davon Kastire
Caldari
Hit it n' Quit it
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:52:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: dssouleater

npc standings not shown?? wtf??? made the botters easier to spot and the carebears easier to find in war .... oh more carebear whinage here too?


Another reason to leave them as they are.

Halycon Gamma
Caldari
The Flying Tigers
United Front Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.16 17:03:00 - [111]
 

I'm convinced that if CCP made POS management easier, there would be a horde of vocal players complaining about the dumbing down of the game.

Gil Warden
Gallente
Priory of Empire
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.16 17:04:00 - [112]
 

Looks like CC(C)P is going to go through with the very ill advised Jump Bridge nerf to help their friends from the Drone Regions?
So when the reds were unable to kill NC, they now get the helping hand they need from CC(C)P.

CCP. Go to hell.

Davon Kastire
Caldari
Hit it n' Quit it
Posted - 2011.05.16 17:04:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Donna Domino
Quote:
Standings with a an NPC corp isn't much of a secret to hide


If they see you have a standing of 9.00+ with certain agents (currently possible) they know exactly where you mission, making it very easy to track you down and set up an ambush. With this information no longer public they would have to use a locator agent while you are online to effectively stalk you.


Again, risk vs reward. It's what drives this game.

EVE isn't a game for sugar coating.

Damith d'Estelas
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.05.16 17:06:00 - [114]
 

So making it so you have to use a player's limited API key to check their standings for recruitment, and making it so you actually have to do some work to track down your war targets (like using a locator agent maybe? how hard is that?!) is... dumbing down? lol!

Darod Zyree
Gallente
Zyree Holding
Posted - 2011.05.16 17:10:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: Darod Zyree on 16/05/2011 17:11:52
Edited by: Darod Zyree on 16/05/2011 17:11:29
@ all the: now my war target cannot see where i am running my missions at people

This change goes both ways...

You cannot see where your war target can or cant go, as in has bad standings with this faction thus will be shot by navy in highsec.
Or which locator agent your war target can or cant use to locate near where you are.

Both parties lost "intel" here.


edit: agent stuff



Abramul
Gallente
StarFleet Enterprises
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.05.16 17:15:00 - [116]
 

Best option is to have standings configurable as public, private, and personal blues. Recruitment officers should be able to view NPC standings of anyone with an application submitted, and probably anyone in the corp too.

I would favor keeping faction standings public.

Darod Zyree
Gallente
Zyree Holding
Posted - 2011.05.16 17:18:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Abramul
Best option is to have standings configurable as public, private, and personal blues. Recruitment officers should be able to view NPC standings of anyone with an application submitted, and probably anyone in the corp too.

I would favor keeping faction standings public.


this

Damith d'Estelas
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.05.16 17:21:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Abramul
Best option is to have standings configurable as public, private, and personal blues. Recruitment officers should be able to view NPC standings of anyone with an application submitted, and probably anyone in the corp too.

I would favor keeping faction standings public.


+1

Cole Ontor
Posted - 2011.05.16 17:23:00 - [119]
 

Every time skill's are removed and effect's of such skill's,the game looses,we might aswell start in titan's (or as the game is ballenced the experienced might start in sc)
also why not just make it 1 weapon system and 1 ship 1 tank module(this could maybe be built in the ship and not shown)then all those not so bright can realy enjoy this once so joyfull game?
hell why stop there 1 station 1 sys 1 agent 1 allience(no i dont mean nc).

ohh and if u didnt train learning skill ur not in title to comment this post!Twisted Evil

Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.05.16 17:27:00 - [120]
 

If you believe that "there are 21 random divisions with an undocumented spread between mission types" is a major part of EVE's "complexity", you have a lot to learn still :-)


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