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Soldarius
Caldari
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
Posted - 2011.05.16 12:00:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Soldarius on 16/05/2011 12:02:01
It is appropriate and consistent that lower sec/true-sec gives better payout. See anom nerf.

scanner boost: for a second, I was also thinking d-scan. Then the 10 second thing hit and I was like, wait, what? So ratters can find anoms from further away. Hoo-ray. Involuntary PvPers can now find your sanctum from farther than your dscan range. With the recent change to anoms, you can bet there will be folks in those anoms. Let thee griefing ganking ensue! Curious as to what brought on this change.

BP differentiation: coolioCool

agent divisions and skill changes to reflect: simple is better. Good job. But I am wondering at exactly how the reimbursement will occur. I understand about the skillbooks. With my old skills being removed, will I get the SP refunded like last time? Cause if so, I sense some abuse about to occur. Folks like myself that don't actively run missions anymore will likely sell the books and put the SP into something else.

More pirate plexes = goodies for nulsec PvEers. ugh

Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.05.16 12:01:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Sarmatiko on 16/05/2011 12:01:19
Originally by: Holy One
what about criminal connections?

Criminal Connections doesn't affect payouts, so there is no reason to change it.
Sincerely yours, Captain Obvious.

Deleros Revo
Posted - 2011.05.16 12:05:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Deleros Revo on 16/05/2011 12:09:34
What about that new Security agent division NOT offering Faction Standing hit related missions and leaving those to FW agents exclusively? Once you start tweaking things, do it all the way till the end...

BTW I don't like the new agent simplification, if I wanted simple games, I only have to go mmorpg.com and pick one. I've been playing EVE these years becouse it is complicated to a certain extent, you have to think your decisions or gather information before taking decisions more compared to other games, and that is good.

Careful.

Sabastian Cro
Posted - 2011.05.16 12:05:00 - [34]
 

fix lag! way to nerf things to give others back the advantage they already have. seriously because a ship has a jump drive it cannot jump through a jump bridge. thats **** poor!

Fergus Runkle
Minmatar
Truth and Reconciliation Council
Posted - 2011.05.16 12:14:00 - [35]
 

Will storyline agents continue to give out mixed mission types or will also now become single type (as per their existing division?)


Kaldirov
Posted - 2011.05.16 12:18:00 - [36]
 

Nice changes but they felt a bit like "is this all"?

I had high hopes for some tweaking of ships or weapons systems

ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
Pulsar Nebulah
Army of Lovers.
Posted - 2011.05.16 12:18:00 - [37]
 

Quote:
Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.


Why? I used to use this information to find war targets location. One can find agents with good standings towards people and through this locate the system where they run missions.

Why are you removing this information?

The Offerer
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.16 12:19:00 - [38]
 

Quote:
Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.


Wait... Does this mean we won't be able to see other player's standings with NPC corps? If it does, then you just boosted bots by making them harder to spot by players.ugh

Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.05.16 12:25:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Sarmatiko on 16/05/2011 12:25:43
Originally by: ArchenTheGreat
Why are you removing this information?

Also noticed this on SiSi and filed a bug report. IMO this is UI bug. Cross-faction standings tab also disappeared.

ChromeStriker
Posted - 2011.05.16 12:25:00 - [40]
 

Jagdbomber.... anyone else read this as jagerbomb? mmm

Annette Aumer
Posted - 2011.05.16 12:28:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: ChromeStriker
Jagdbomber.... anyone else read this as jagerbomb? mmm


yup, I did!

For a newbie like me these changes are going to be pretty good.

so if its just going to be Security/Distribution/Mining

Is courier(distribution) still going to be my best bet to grind standing for refining?

Kary Tamona
Crom Demons
Posted - 2011.05.16 12:28:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Deleros Revo
Edited by: Deleros Revo on 16/05/2011 12:09:34
... if I wanted simple games, I only have to go mmorpg.com and pick one. I've been playing EVE these years becouse it is complicated to a certain extent, you have to think your decisions or gather information before taking decisions more compared to other games, and that is good


I agree with this ^ . Some simplification may be OK but part of the challenge of EvE is its complexity. Dumb it down too much and it becomes your run of the mill MMORPG for those with short attention spans, therefore changing the population of Eve.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.16 12:43:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: stoicfaux on 16/05/2011 12:44:35
Deleted. Wrong reply.

Thom Baron
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.05.16 12:43:00 - [44]
 

Honestly I feel like the mission system is by far the weakest part of eve (not in terms of functionality.. in terms of fun/enjoyment/understandability)

So great, hopefully the changes are good... Personally I would scrap the entire mission system and make player contracts into a more viable & varied & trollproof income-system.. rather than just buy/sell system. The real strength of Eve IMO is that things are made by the players, decided not by 'lets battle' but by 'i want ur resources' or 'ur in my system stealin my roids', etc.. It would be cool if they could somehow give rise to an emergent mission/contract system. (it vaguely does this now.. but lets face it - not well.)

Or hell, maybe make dynamic NPC corps - they control the rat factions, they trade / collect resources, they battle each other, etc.

Of course that will never happen, so heres hoping the changes work. Will be nice to get the connections SP back though, since I never play missions anymore! :)

Zaknussem
Everybody Loves Donuts
Posted - 2011.05.16 12:51:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: The Offerer
Quote:
Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to.


Wait... Does this mean we won't be able to see other player's standings with NPC corps? If it does, then you just boosted bots by making them harder to spot by players.ugh


Quote:
Why? I used to use this information to find war targets location. One can find agents with good standings towards people and through this locate the system where they run missions.

Why are you removing this information?


Quoting for emphasis, as I want this question answered as well. Why is this information being hidden from us?

Zaknussem
Everybody Loves Donuts
Posted - 2011.05.16 13:00:00 - [46]
 

And another related topic, what about storyline agents? Will they continue to hand out randomly-determined missions from the whole pool of storyline missions, or will their pool of possible missions be limited by their division, as according to these changes?

CCP Navigator


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.16 13:01:00 - [47]
 

Hello everyone, the deployment of this release has been rescheduled. The release will now be deployed on Thursday, May 19 and this has been reflected in the original post.

JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.05.16 13:01:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Zaknussem
And another related topic, what about storyline agents? Will they continue to hand out randomly-determined missions from the whole pool of storyline missions, or will their pool of possible missions be limited by their division, as according to these changes?


Curious about this as well... I've seen a few people asking this in various threads.

Celgar Thurn
Minmatar
Department 10
Posted - 2011.05.16 13:07:00 - [49]
 

For Incursion 1.5 please read fixing more game elements that are not broken.Please tattoo this on your hands and next time devote the update purely to parts of the game that need fixing such as Corp & POS Management, FW, etc etc. I didn't think you could make a bigger hash-up after what you did to Planetary Interaction but this takes the biscuit! I'd like to know who told you we wanted the Missions element of the game to be dumbed down?? It's like you want everyone to go straight to PvP and not play the PvE part of the game at all.I had someone try and fail miserably to suicide gank me yesterday. It was exciting in a 'face going red'sort of way but it's not why I play EVE. I enjoy the complex nature of the game and having to decide what to do next.
I pray that you take notice of mine and others comments,take a deep breath,and decide to postpone Incursion 1.5 or at least the Connections & Mission Agents part of it.Neutral

CCP Tallest

Posted - 2011.05.16 13:14:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Zaknussem
And another related topic, what about storyline agents? Will they continue to hand out randomly-determined missions from the whole pool of storyline missions, or will their pool of possible missions be limited by their division, as according to these changes?


Storyline agents will hand out the same missions that they used to.

John Zorg
Caldari
The Damned Legion
Posted - 2011.05.16 13:16:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: John Zorg on 16/05/2011 13:17:18
So is Jump Freighters also included in the "can't jump through jump bridges".

If so, can freighters also not jump through jump bridges?

Thanks again for dumbing down the game even more so you can get more wow players...

Floydd Heywood
Posted - 2011.05.16 13:26:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Sarmatiko
Edited by: Sarmatiko on 16/05/2011 12:25:43
Originally by: ArchenTheGreat
Why are you removing this information?

Also noticed this on SiSi and filed a bug report. IMO this is UI bug. Cross-faction standings tab also disappeared.


Why and how would you know at a glance how another player's relationship with a npc corp is? It's not like they would put it into the phone book. Hiding this information makes perfect sense.

Zan Altier
Posted - 2011.05.16 13:28:00 - [53]
 

So these social skill changes... Do we get refunded the skill points so that we can apply the points to the new skills?

These little changes to the U.I. are kind of like trying to polish a turd... I think itís time for an efficient and modern UI design.

Squizz Caphinator
Woopatang
Posted - 2011.05.16 13:30:00 - [54]
 

Doesn't hurt to try asking...

Will killmails now specify if a Blueprint is an original or a copy?

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2011.05.16 13:30:00 - [55]
 

Delay the agent changes a month...

So Phea
Gallente
Lamellar
Vorpal's Edge
Posted - 2011.05.16 13:31:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: So Phea on 16/05/2011 13:31:54
Do the refunded 'Connections' SPs go to the toon that trained them or will we be able to select which toon (on same a/c) to allocate them to ?.

And thanks for the BPO-BPC icons, PITA showing info to find BPO/BPC.

Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.05.16 13:32:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Floydd Heywood
Why and how would you know at a glance how another player's relationship with a npc corp is? It's not like they would put it into the phone book. Hiding this information makes perfect sense.

I filled bugreport few days before patchnotes, considering this can be a bug. Anyway cross-faction standings tab also missing. I don't know why this info was removed, because you should know how the completion of storyline mission will affect other faction standings.

Elkarion
Posted - 2011.05.16 13:33:00 - [58]
 

I'm very concerned about this new Missionsystem. In the past it was necessary to move to another system if you'd reach the next level - away from your lv3 Q18 - to the next system with a lv4 Q -12 or somewhat. After that to a lv4 Q12 and at least find the system with your lv4 Q18-20. this was part of the game, and had some pretty influences to roleplay and gamedynamics...

Now it not necessary to move anymore. Okay, missionhubs like didoxie get nerfed now - but on the other hand you'd stolen a lot of the games dynamics now.
You made the game again a bit smarter, easier to lern/play, but so you'd opened the door once again a bit more for this kind of gamer that wasn't simply surviveable in EVE five years ago - the wow-kids.
I remember when I startet years ago - without German Client (yes I'm German), without Simplifying your EVE, there was no place for the 08/15-WOW-Kid - cause EVE was just too difficult, too technological, too serious and all in all to "adult".

Please CCP - don't make EVE to a "open for all" Game that even the dumbest kid could handle - cause there is the danger that you could loose some of the older ones that prefer a game without getting flamed by kids in the age of their own ones ;)

But beside this - thanks a lot for EVE. It's the worlds best game - and still the worlds best game-atmosphere. May it last forever!

Dinta Zembo
Posted - 2011.05.16 13:43:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Dinta Zembo on 16/05/2011 13:47:18
Originally by: Squizz Caphinator
Doesn't hurt to try asking...

Will killmails now specify if a Blueprint is an original or a copy?


*heavy breathing*

WILL THEY? Shocked

+1.

Bar0th
Gallente
Industrial Forge Works Inc
Posted - 2011.05.16 13:48:00 - [60]
 

Dev Blog: incursion 1.5 to de deployed on thursday, may 19

Patch Notes for Incursion 1.5: Released Tuesday, May 17, 2011

Which is the correct date? I know the thread says thursday as well, just thought I'd point out the date of the patch notes Rolling Eyes


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