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The DeathClaw
Posted - 2011.05.15 10:13:00 - [1]
 

Hey,

I know shield boosted cyclone is nice with implants but without the crystal implants is it any good against other BC's or does it just get steamrolled?

Interested in cyclone, don't got 2 bil for implants.

Here's the fit I'm thinking of from battleclinic:

[Cyclone, Large]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Co-Processor I

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Invulnerability Field II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Large Shield Booster II
Warp Scrambler II

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Valkyrie II x3
Warrior II x2

Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/45154-Cyclone-640-DPS-403-tank-LSB-Nos.html#ixzz1MPljvUgq


Thanks,
DC

Fuazzole
Posted - 2011.05.15 10:26:00 - [2]
 

I'd downgrade the size of gun, you won't lose much EFT dps but will gain a lot in hit quality, 425mm tend to miss for around 10s until ship steadys its self.


An alternative fit you can try

5x 220mm II
2x NOS
1x Neut

2x Core Defence Operation Solidifer

Tank and DPS aren't the Cyclones strongest points so will never be fantastic, but makes for a decent cap combat platform and is shockingly fast.

Arx Eladios
THE PAROXYSM
Dark Solar Empire
Posted - 2011.05.15 11:20:00 - [3]
 

That is a very good fit, but really needs the crystals. At least get the low grade ones.

An issue you will find is that Hurricanes are really common in low sec. Every single one of them pack two medium neutralizers.

Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.05.15 12:07:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Mfume Apocal on 15/05/2011 12:28:56
links + blue pill help more, don't be intimidated by the whole "you need a maxed out T3 with all this unprobable ****", you can just slap links on a drake and have it sitting on a station or in a pos (preffo) while ignoring the space-honoure ******s

edit: for numbers, with a meta 4 X-L booster overheated, drake links and impro blue pill MY CYCLONE can tank over 1300 dps, with just hg crystals, its around 1040ish.

Cephelange du'Krevviq
Caldari
Seventh Exploration and Engagement Command
Gryphon League
Posted - 2011.05.15 13:18:00 - [5]
 

Would this work as a buffer Cyclone?

[Cyclone, Twister (PvP)]
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II

Warp Scrambler II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II

220mm Medium Gallium I Machine Gun, Phased Plasma M
220mm Medium Gallium I Machine Gun, Phased Plasma M
220mm Medium Gallium I Machine Gun, Phased Plasma M
220mm Medium Gallium I Machine Gun, Phased Plasma M
220mm Medium Gallium I Machine Gun, Phased Plasma M
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x3

EHP 56,415

I can't use T2 ACs at the moment, and don't feel like forking out a lot of money for meta 4s, either.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.15 13:30:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Cephelange du'Krevviq
Would this work as a buffer Cyclone?

[Cyclone, Twister (PvP)]
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II

Warp Scrambler II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II

220mm Medium Gallium I Machine Gun, Phased Plasma M
220mm Medium Gallium I Machine Gun, Phased Plasma M
220mm Medium Gallium I Machine Gun, Phased Plasma M
220mm Medium Gallium I Machine Gun, Phased Plasma M
220mm Medium Gallium I Machine Gun, Phased Plasma M
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x3

EHP 56,415

I can't use T2 ACs at the moment, and don't feel like forking out a lot of money for meta 4s, either.

[Hurricane, Cane]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Scrambler II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1

For a minor increase in cost and a minor decrease in tank you get a ton more DPS with the Cane which gets 25% extra DPS and a 6th gun. Go for T2 Guns as fast as you can, they are worth every second of SP and pull Battlecruisers to 5 or at least 4. For the cost and versatillity you just can not beat the Cane and your a short Train away from Drake as backup with T2 Heavies.

Wensley
Minmatar
Matari Exodus
Posted - 2011.05.15 14:08:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Cephelange du'Krevviq
Would this work as a buffer Cyclone?

[Cyclone, Twister (PvP)]
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II

Warp Scrambler II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II

220mm Medium Gallium I Machine Gun, Phased Plasma M
220mm Medium Gallium I Machine Gun, Phased Plasma M
220mm Medium Gallium I Machine Gun, Phased Plasma M
220mm Medium Gallium I Machine Gun, Phased Plasma M
220mm Medium Gallium I Machine Gun, Phased Plasma M
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x3

EHP 56,415

I can't use T2 ACs at the moment, and don't feel like forking out a lot of money for meta 4s, either.


There really isn't that much point in flying a buffer Cyclone. The shield boost bonus is too good to waste and if you want a buffer fit you are far better going for a Hurricane as shown above.

Cephelange du'Krevviq
Caldari
Seventh Exploration and Engagement Command
Gryphon League
Posted - 2011.05.15 14:16:00 - [8]
 

Already have BC to 4; appreciate the feedback from you both.

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.05.15 15:09:00 - [9]
 


Cephelange du'Krevviq
Caldari
Seventh Exploration and Engagement Command
Gryphon League
Posted - 2011.05.15 15:30:00 - [10]
 

Well, 11 against 1, what do you expect?

1600 RT
Posted - 2011.05.15 17:02:00 - [11]
 

shield booster cyclone need at least 2 things to work
X-L booster and HG crystals

an alt in a boosting tengu and drugs are strongly recommended as well

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.05.15 18:00:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Cephelange du'Krevviq
Well, 11 against 1, what do you expect?


It was more a joke on the proverbial solo is dead. Meaning yes the ship is a viable solo BC, but good luck, finding a fight for a solo BC these days. The blobards have damn sure made that a near impossible feat.

Cephelange du'Krevviq
Caldari
Seventh Exploration and Engagement Command
Gryphon League
Posted - 2011.05.15 18:05:00 - [13]
 

Gotcha.

Maz3r Rakum
Gallente
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2011.05.15 23:03:00 - [14]
 

Cyclone is an absolute monster. Make sure you use its great speed to separate groups and then brawl them down. However just like all active tanks, it really requires great piloting skill + sp, boosts, implants and drugs. I'd also recommend navy cap boosters and using a secure container to maximize your lifeblood.

tl;dr you are better off in a buffer cain without crytals, boosts and drugs.

Silas Cooper
Posted - 2011.05.16 00:46:00 - [15]
 


Tub Chil
Posted - 2011.05.16 06:49:00 - [16]
 

I've flown shield boosted cyclone on SISI and it was pretty good. it can kill most of buffer tanked BC-s

but solo pvp on TQ is a lie. at least in something that does not cloak. yes it means that multiboxing with 3 scout alts and booster T3 is not "solo"

Azuse
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.05.16 10:39:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Azuse on 16/05/2011 10:59:15
Edited by: Azuse on 16/05/2011 10:46:20
Originally by: 1600 RT
shield booster cyclone need at least 2 things to work
X-L booster and HG crystals

an alt in a boosting tengu and drugs are strongly recommended as well


Large is sufficient actually, same goes for the solo claymore, x-l is better suited to sleipnirs/gang claymores. Oh and Force of nature 3

Now, if you're after something instructional then Mind Game. It's not pure cyclone, about 1/3 between drake/myrm scenes but it shows you a. what you can achieve in a cyclone and b. how to effectively use space be it separating vagas at a belt of spreading a hac gang thin enough to pick them off. What make it so good for a beginner in particular is the version with the embedded commentary which is essentially a 34 minute instructional* video is solo pvp and happens to be 200MB smaller than the original (yay for good encoding). It also points out you should always fit a nuet to your cyclone/claymore for frigs.

Perhaps more importantly it shows that you don't need crystals if you fly correctly and pick your fights. It also demonstrates why active tanks are still flown, despite the cane having more dps and raw hp that the humble cyclone which requires far more sp and pilot awareness to fly. Difficult but rewarding.

*audio track 2


Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.05.16 11:52:00 - [18]
 

[Cyclone, You want DPS?]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Stasis Webifier II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Rage Assault Missile

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Hammerhead II x3
Hobgoblin II x2

666 DPS, 760 odd overloaded. As seen here: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/42710-Cyclone-You-want-dps-760-dps-enough.html

When done right, the Cyclone can be one great ship

Azuse
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.05.16 13:27:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Headerman
[Cyclone, You want DPS?]
*Stuff*

666 DPS, 760 odd overloaded. As seen here: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/42710-Cyclone-You-want-dps-760-dps-enough.html

When done right, the Cyclone can be one great ship


"Right" is active tanked. "Wrong" is passive.

What you've created there is a ship that is less manoeuvrable; has less speed, buffer hp and dps than a buffer tanked cane. Oh and it doesn't have the ability to neut, nos and require more sp to fly Rolling Eyes

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.05.16 13:41:00 - [20]
 

Cane > Cyclone, except when you exploit every possible inch of it's shieldboost, then Cyclone > Cane.

A cane has EHP. A cyclone can level a 1000+ DPS tank. Both can be better depending on the situation. Anyone thinking a cyclone has no PVP role ...

Cyclone beats up two Drakes


 

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