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Jon Engel
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.05.17 16:20:00 - [61]
 

Well, John and Jade...

How about you two just set each other blue to **** em off even more?

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.05.17 20:01:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Nausea
You know, i've been around a while, albeit more just watching and being amused than actually contributing, and i've never actually heard you say a good word about those pilots who happily place them firmly in Camp Amarr.

Like, not once. Ever.

Not even for a bet.


Well no-one's ever bet me any money that I couldn't find something nice to say about the Empire.

Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
Posted - 2011.05.18 04:54:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Senn Typhos
A band of Caldari expats running from their grievous mistakes calling a ceasefire with a gang of washed-up anarchists and failed revolutionaries. Probably in hopes of gaining military support for the next time they fire at the wrong ship. Sounds right to me.


And who are you monsieur Typhos? Perhaps you would care to introduce yourself to the summit and explain why your interpretation should be considered credible? Have you played a part in one of these "failed revolutions" or stood up in war against the Fraction? Do you claim to know much about the freespace movement or understand our ideologies?

I do wonder sometimes if the Galnet "peanut gallery" (nods at Silas with a smile) thinks too long before they post.



Don't call me "monsieur." Your language is disgusting.

This isn't the time or place for a tea party, so introductions aren't happening. Of course, you keep such a high profile I could stumble onto enough evidence of your... organization's, lack of purpose by sneezing with my cranial galnet feed active.

If you don't want to catch flak for your decisions, don't vomit everything you do at a public channel.

You and I are done here.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.05.18 08:29:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Senn Typhos
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Senn Typhos
A band of Caldari expats running from their grievous mistakes calling a ceasefire with a gang of washed-up anarchists and failed revolutionaries. Probably in hopes of gaining military support for the next time they fire at the wrong ship. Sounds right to me.


And who are you monsieur Typhos? Perhaps you would care to introduce yourself to the summit and explain why your interpretation should be considered credible? Have you played a part in one of these "failed revolutions" or stood up in war against the Fraction? Do you claim to know much about the freespace movement or understand our ideologies?

I do wonder sometimes if the Galnet "peanut gallery" (nods at Silas with a smile) thinks too long before they post.



Don't call me "monsieur." Your language is disgusting.

This isn't the time or place for a tea party, so introductions aren't happening. Of course, you keep such a high profile I could stumble onto enough evidence of your... organization's, lack of purpose by sneezing with my cranial galnet feed active.

If you don't want to catch flak for your decisions, don't vomit everything you do at a public channel.

You and I are done here.



Vous en colère enfant!

Good heavens the quality of capsuleers passing their training these days is rather shocking. If you monsieur Typhos wish simply to vent your primal sadness in public it is your choice to do so as it is my choice to refer to you however and whenever I choose. You have no power to demand anything of me and you will take the comment I give you like it or not.

When you come to this thread with your mean-spirited whinging little nonsense and are addressed with a degree of respect you neither deserve nor apparently seek you should count your blessings instead of balling up your fists and eyes and acting like a child.

To catch "flak" rather requires the creation of such, and I will note that nothing I have ever heard or witnessed from yourself would suggest you are capable of more than moving your lips and shouting sterotypically claptrap commentary on galnet.

Now you do have my leave to depart.

Nausea
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.05.18 09:20:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Nausea
You know, i've been around a while, albeit more just watching and being amused than actually contributing, and i've never actually heard you say a good word about those pilots who happily place them firmly in Camp Amarr.

Like, not once. Ever.

Not even for a bet.


Well no-one's ever bet me any money that I couldn't find something nice to say about the Empire.


At the rather definate risk of not just derailing this thread further, but watching the train plow through the station...

What sort of stake are we talking about here? I must confess to more than a little amusement at the idea...

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.05.18 19:27:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: John Revenent

There was more then just one group making threats, attempting to force who we and who we cannot conduct business with. This lead to the reset of the entire Amarrian Bloc.



If only. By reseting a whole bunch of satellite and independant amarrian liberal corporations that had absolutely nothing to do with this in the process. You lost a lot of credibility by this action alone.

I may have several doubts about your real motives.

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.05.18 20:28:00 - [67]
 

It seems fairly clear what happened: I-RED were upset at CVA and tired of being SF's punching bag. SF told them that for neutral standings, they'd have to reset all Amarrian corps.

Since I-RED has about as much connection to Ishukone and to the State at this point as it does to the Federation, this was a pretty easy decision. I can't blame SF for this, incidentally - indeed, I congratulate them on helping reveal the truly craven nature of I-RED.

I-RED is not a State-aligned entity, nor does it have any actual connection to Ishukone. It is merely a weak organization of opportunistic jackals looking to consume the carrion left behind by more powerful predators - first CVA, then VI, and now possibly SF. Of a similar nature are their stated loyalties, mere gauze to disguise their true natures. If they were paid enough by the Gallente, they'd be attacking State Protectorate forces under allegations of piracy...ah, right, they are. Nevermind.

I-RED is not a trustworthy alliance, it is loyal neither to the State nor to Ishukone nor to anything but its wallet, and it is incapable of actual accomplishment on its own.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.05.18 21:20:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Vikarion
It seems fairly clear what happened: I-RED were upset at CVA and tired of being SF's punching bag. SF told them that for neutral standings, they'd have to reset all Amarrian corps.

Since I-RED has about as much connection to Ishukone and to the State at this point as it does to the Federation, this was a pretty easy decision. I can't blame SF for this, incidentally - indeed, I congratulate them on helping reveal the truly craven nature of I-RED.

I-RED is not a State-aligned entity, nor does it have any actual connection to Ishukone. It is merely a weak organization of opportunistic jackals looking to consume the carrion left behind by more powerful predators - first CVA, then VI, and now possibly SF. Of a similar nature are their stated loyalties, mere gauze to disguise their true natures. If they were paid enough by the Gallente, they'd be attacking State Protectorate forces under allegations of piracy...ah, right, they are. Nevermind.

I-RED is not a trustworthy alliance, it is loyal neither to the State nor to Ishukone nor to anything but its wallet, and it is incapable of actual accomplishment on its own.




Your post is spurious fiction.
Which is quite appropriate given your reputation for such things.

Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.05.18 21:38:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Sinjin Mokk on 18/05/2011 21:38:53

In what way do you consider it fictional Constantine?

It seems to me that Vikarion's words were pretty accurate.




Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.05.18 21:47:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Sinjin Mokk

In what way do you consider it fictional Constantine?
It seems to me that Vikarion's words were pretty accurate.



But you also believe in a fictious giant man in the sky who tells you its alright to enslave sentient life and you are special because a old book tells you so. Your witness statement is not terribly credible.

Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.05.18 21:49:00 - [71]
 

You still haven't answered my questionn.



Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.05.18 21:50:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
You still haven't answered my questionn.



"Pretty much all of it" is the best answer I can give you.

Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2011.05.18 22:19:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
.. and you are special because a old book tells you so.



This is indeed much better than people like you, who just tell yourself that you are special.


Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.05.18 22:21:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Silas Vitalia
Originally by: Jade Constantine
.. and you are special because a old book tells you so.


This is indeed much better than people like you, who just tell yourself that you are special.



And this is what they call theological debate.

John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.05.18 23:21:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Vikarion
It seems fairly clear what happened: I-RED were upset at CVA and tired of being SF's punching bag. SF told them that for neutral standings, they'd have to reset all Amarrian corps.

Since I-RED has about as much connection to Ishukone and to the State at this point as it does to the Federation, this was a pretty easy decision. I can't blame SF for this, incidentally - indeed, I congratulate them on helping reveal the truly craven nature of I-RED.

I-RED is not a State-aligned entity, nor does it have any actual connection to Ishukone. It is merely a weak organization of opportunistic jackals looking to consume the carrion left behind by more powerful predators - first CVA, then VI, and now possibly SF. Of a similar nature are their stated loyalties, mere gauze to disguise their true natures. If they were paid enough by the Gallente, they'd be attacking State Protectorate forces under allegations of piracy...ah, right, they are. Nevermind.

I-RED is not a trustworthy alliance, it is loyal neither to the State nor to Ishukone nor to anything but its wallet, and it is incapable of actual accomplishment on its own.



A laughable thought process. Try harder to understand the situation, perhaps without getting the majority of the information from the IGS of all places to make such a accusation.

Cheiftan
Minmatar
Shinryaku
Posted - 2011.05.18 23:39:00 - [76]
 

Quite an interesting theory, cooked up by a man with less brain cells than the Fedo used to clean the extremity's of my clansmen's vessels.

It is obvious from transmissions you have made in the past that you really don't like I-RED, but Vikarion we really don't care what you think of us. your word is as viable as using cooking oil as sun creme.

Anyone with a few brain cells more than you would realize that engagements between star fraction and I-RED where very few and far between, in fact our red standings caused nothing but a state of cold war.

So let me beat this through you thick skull.

1. Being aggressed by an entity that has a NAP is an act of War and piracy
2. We don't like Amarrians telling us who we can do dealings with
3. we will not bow our heads to their Empire
4. Your word carries as much truth as the Amarrian Scriptures, which is null unless you are foolish enough to belive them.

But by all means do feel free to belive what you like, i would hate to shatter your fairy tail...

Have a nice day.

Eran Mintor
Minmatar
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.05.19 07:14:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: John Revenent
Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive [I-RED] - The Star Fraction

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive Forward Command
Ishukone Watch Assembly Plant - Malkalen III, Lonetrek

It is often the case, that political and military forces bring organizations into a mutually hostile posture when they might otherwise have little to do with one another. The Ishukone Corporation has usually deployed its forces outside of State jurisdiction only in limited theaters, under restricted circumstances. I-RED has been, in this respect, uncommon: Enforcement forces have been deployed to distant ends of New Eden for some time, and have worked to secure Ishukone's interest beyond the normal reach of the State.

As part of our work under CVA securing State interests in Providence, we came into conflict with the Star Fraction, and have remained on hostile terms since. However, our own deployment orders have changed, as have our orders with regards to CVA. Under our current deployment, I-RED's status towards many of CVA's combatants is no longer existentially hostile, and Ishukone's tactical bureau has re-examined many of our operating orders.

With this new security arrangement, we have been approached by the Star Fraction, and have been asked to re-evaluate our hostile posture towards their organization. After due consideration by Ishukone's board, Ishukone-Raata High Command has been advised that re-setting our standings towards Star Fraction is acceptable, and we are therefore ending our hostile status. Star Fraction leadership has indicated a desire to work under mutually neutral standings, and we share their interest in encouraging peaceful commerce outside of the normal State and CONCORD purview.

Further questions may be directed towards Ishukone-Raata diplomatic corps at any Ishukone comms node, or to myself directly

Rikaato,
John Revenent
Ishukone-Raata Taisho
Ishukone-Raata Executor


I'm disappointed in you John, though this isn't the first time in recent times you've let me down. I wonder what must be going through your mind to yield to anarchism and the violent terrorism enacted in it's name.

To think you honor those who died in Malkalen is a joke. Terrorists who attempted to hi-jack your service to the fallen for their own political gains are now an honored guest speaker? The term "sell out" comes to mind.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.05.19 09:48:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: Lyn Farel on 19/05/2011 09:48:42
Originally by: Cheiftan

4. Your word carries as much truth as the Amarrian Scriptures, which is null unless you are foolish enough to belive them.




Yeah sure, knowledge carries no truth and is only a bunch of lies. I am sorry to say that, but does I-RED actually thinks sometimes before writing something here ?

Jon Engel
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.05.19 12:12:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Lyn Farel
Originally by: John Revenent

There was more then just one group making threats, attempting to force who we and who we cannot conduct business with. This lead to the reset of the entire Amarrian Bloc.



If only. By reseting a whole bunch of satellite and independant amarrian liberal corporations that had absolutely nothing to do with this in the process. You lost a lot of credibility by this action alone.

I may have several doubts about your real motives.



What the hell good is high CVA standings worth anymore? Just asking, is all?

JT133
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.05.19 12:53:00 - [80]
 

Evidently I-RED has bit off more than they can chew. Wolfsbrigade endorses this move and relishes in the hope that you'll be able to devote more resources to your failing attempt at what you call a "war" between our corporations. War can be defined as a state of armed conflict between two organizations - sheltering in the safety of one's hangar does not fit into this definition in case you did not realize this prior to your declaration of war.

From what we have observed, I-RED is becoming increasingly inactive, let's hope that this move will give you menaces operating under the State's name more resources for us to strip you of.

Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2011.05.19 13:30:00 - [81]
 

On behalf of the entire Amarr Bloc and the corporations of the 24th Imperial Crusade I would like to extend my deepest and sincerest apology to the pilots of the Federation. Apparently we were so successful in curbing the actions of Star Fraction both in Amarr Low-Sec and Providence that they are now trying to stake a claim in Federation space. We regret that our competence, dedication and love of curbing pirate/terrorist/heretic/anarchist operations has forced them to try to stake a claim in your systems.

Hrm…retract that. We’re not sorry.



Cheiftan
Minmatar
Shinryaku
Posted - 2011.05.19 14:34:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Cheiftan on 19/05/2011 14:35:35
Quote:
Yeah sure, knowledge carries no truth and is only a bunch of lies. I am sorry to say that, but does I-RED actually thinks sometimes before writing something here ?


Knowledge comes from science, and fact finding, the scriptures where written by man, there is no fact only belifes...

I think it is you who is lacking the ability to think.

And i say that with respect, i say that because on you own search for science and meaning behind the scriptures, you was met by PIE who greeted you with words of disapproval.

as for Eran, i still think of you as an old friend, i don't think what ever side you fight for will change this.

But bear in mind we held the memorial as a politically neutral event, even Veto was invited to speak, and star fraction where invited to speak weather the reset happened or not.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.05.19 20:53:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Lyn Farel on 19/05/2011 20:54:17
Originally by: Jon Engel
Originally by: Lyn Farel
Originally by: John Revenent

There was more then just one group making threats, attempting to force who we and who we cannot conduct business with. This lead to the reset of the entire Amarrian Bloc.



If only. By reseting a whole bunch of satellite and independant amarrian liberal corporations that had absolutely nothing to do with this in the process. You lost a lot of credibility by this action alone.

I may have several doubts about your real motives.



What the hell good is high CVA standings worth anymore? Just asking, is all?


Uh, excuse me, but who spoke about the CVA ? I know that I have always been a partisan of their ideals, but I was not refering to them here.

Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
On behalf of the entire Amarr Bloc and the corporations of the 24th Imperial Crusade I would like to extend my deepest and sincerest apology to the pilots of the Federation. Apparently we were so successful in curbing the actions of Star Fraction both in Amarr Low-Sec and Providence that they are now trying to stake a claim in Federation space. We regret that our competence, dedication and love of curbing pirate/terrorist/heretic/anarchist operations has forced them to try to stake a claim in your systems.

Hrm…retract that. We’re not sorry.





Lord Mokk, no offense intended, but I am not sure if it is wise to speak on the behalf of the 24th Crusade when you are not one of its leaders, and not even part of it. Especially if it is to write a vulgar "troll", as it seems to be commonly called.



Originally by: Cheiftan
Edited by: Cheiftan on 19/05/2011 14:35:35
Quote:
Yeah sure, knowledge carries no truth and is only a bunch of lies. I am sorry to say that, but does I-RED actually thinks sometimes before writing something here ?


Knowledge comes from science, and fact finding, the scriptures where written by man, there is no fact only belifes...

I think it is you who is lacking the ability to think.

And i say that with respect, i say that because on you own search for science and meaning behind the scriptures, you was met by PIE who greeted you with words of disapproval.

as for Eran, i still think of you as an old friend, i don't think what ever side you fight for will change this.

But bear in mind we held the memorial as a politically neutral event, even Veto was invited to speak, and star fraction where invited to speak weather the reset happened or not.


I am saying with respect - and my apologies not to have mentionned it above - that you might have absolutely no idea of what are the Scriptures. You will probably find that a huge part of them are common knowledge now shared by the whole cluster. You will also find that they are exclusively about knowledge, be it hard science or theological texts (history is still knowledge, and a very valuable one for that technological progress can't go without moral progress).

You should really take a look at them.

Cheiftan
Minmatar
Shinryaku
Posted - 2011.05.19 21:59:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Cheiftan on 19/05/2011 22:00:29
Quote:
I am saying with respect - and my apologies not to have mentionned it above - that you might have absolutely no idea of what are the Scriptures. You will probably find that a huge part of them are common knowledge now shared by the whole cluster. You will also find that they are exclusively about knowledge, be it hard science or theological texts (history is still knowledge, and a very valuable one for that technological progress can't go without moral progress).


A fair comment, and a comment i will accept, however excluding my knowledge of such things my comment stands.

People who vomit libel always vomit libel and this is aimed at the original recipient.

Back to you miss Farel, fair winds and safe travels.

Valdezi
Amarr
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.05.19 22:31:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Eran Mintor
The term "sell out" comes to mind.


Brave card for you to play, friend.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.05.19 22:32:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Valdezi
Originally by: Eran Mintor
The term "sell out" comes to mind.


Brave card for you to play, friend.


That one had to smart.

Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2011.05.19 23:05:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Valdezi
Originally by: Eran Mintor
The term "sell out" comes to mind.


Brave card for you to play, friend.


That one had to smart.


Doubtful. Eran Mintor switched sides because of his principles, not in spite of them.

Not that I agree with him. If Mr. Revenant wants to set standings neutral with you, that's his affair. I suspect that this carping from the Amarr is doing little to damage relations between you.

It might even be doing the opposite. I don't know the details, but might your place on the speakers list at the Malkalen memorial have been partially a jab at Mr. Revenant's detractors, here?


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