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The Offerer
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.12 03:23:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: The Offerer on 13/05/2011 13:37:29
Hello, dear EVE community,

I've spotted the large amount of bots in an area surrounding Jita. Yes... Jita. They became so arrogant that they don't even try to hide their operations in deep 0.0 space. They are ruining OUR game right in front of our eyes. There are several groups of bots that are easily detectable. A little bit of additional investigation can reveal if the suspected character is a bot or not.

Basically, what I'm looking for are the patterns - huge amount of characters doing the exact same thing, logging in and out one after another. I will not disclose the basic method to classify some character as suspicious (you can do it yourself, just look for patterns), but I will disclose character names and patterns that are proof enough that they are bots.

The first group of bots

Characteristics:
- Every bot is in a one man corporation named after himself (the default name the system gives you when you try to create a corporation);
- Every corporation has the default text in the description "Enter the description of your corporation here"
- All characters are doing missions mainly for Corporate Police Force (oh... the irony) corporation.
- The characters are mainly flying Caracals (lower SP bot grinding for standings) or Ravens (full time bot). Some of them were spotted flying CNRs, but only for a minute or two. Basically, the bot docks in a station, switch to CNR, warp to a gate where his next mission is, turns around, docks again and switch back to regular Raven and continue travelling to his mission... as if that will fool someone to think it's a legitimate player.
- Bots are know for switching agents/systems once in a while and logging on and off randomly. Also, it seems that they are not all of them online all the time. A couple of them are left offline, while the majority is running.
- Convos are rejected, they don't answer EVE mails, if wardeced, it just leaves its corp and creates another one with the same name (can be seen in corp history of some of them).
- It looks like they are left in NPC corp while training skills and doing low-lever grinding (for standings mainly). Once they hit the time when they are profitable, they create their own corporation to avoid paying NPC corp tax.

The systems where they are active (and surrounding area):
- Isaziwa
- Anttiri
- Suroken
- Irjunen
- Waskisen
- Yria
- Niyabainen
- Ohmahailen

Names and corporations (36 total):

Aaxiqpcv- Aaxiqpcv Corp | Ginewkg - Ginewkg Corp | Juxnaddd - Juxnadd Corp |
Ainwkng - Ainwkng Corp | Goxmduqt - Goxmduqt Corp | Kienghkh - Kienghkh Corp |
Dinpkeng- Dinpkeng Corp | Hienikgne - Hienikgne Corp | Kinegkh - Kiengkh Corp |
Fkwjeng - Fkwjeng Corp | Jiojenmg - Jiojenmg Corp | Kiwjhnbg - Kiwjhnbg Corp |
Linyouow- Linyouow Corp | Lixurnsdu - Lixurnsdu Corp | Loemngek - Loemngek Corp |
Lozpqxx - Lozpqxx Corp | Mjzuancv - Mjzuancv Corp | Mnidono - Mnidono Corp |
Mxidngu - Mxidngu Corp | Poisuangouy- Poisuangouy Corp | Snikeng - Snikeng Corp |
Tiomoa - Tiomoa Corp | Vvxtamiss - Vvxtamiss Corp | Yisansdug- Yisansdug Corp|
Youijn - Youijn Corp | Moiyeipa - Moiyeipa Corp | Hoieonmhg- Hoieonmhg Corp|
Xinekng - Xinekng Corp |

NPC corp: Lkjggdf, Fiorlok, Gaidemt, Hmouet, Kgegyu, Liuoute, Tyxbapbm, Tfhergf



While looking for more characters of the same type, I accidentally stumbled upon traces of another group. Found just 4 characters, but it'll give you the general idea. All characters were in the same system at the same time, along with the other bots from the previous group:

- JFSJZ - School of Applied Knowledge (NPC) - 2 months 27 days
- JFDXN - ^^ - 2 months 27 days
- NJBWZ - ^^ - 2 months 27 days
- JTCJZ - State War Academy (NPC) - 21 day

The Offerer
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.12 03:25:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: The Offerer on 12/05/2011 04:05:13
Edited by: The Offerer on 12/05/2011 03:30:14
The next group of characters are in a multi-member corporations, usually 3 or 4 of them. All characteristics are mostly the same except for two main differences: their name is made of two "words" and they are usually united under one corporation. Everything else is the same: locations, corporation names, corporation descriptions, activities, etc.

Character and corporation names, member count:

- Yoyo Itovuo - Yoyo Itovuo Corp - 1 member
- Huykbe Huykbe - Huykbe Huykbe Corp - 3 members
- Vfgjou Vfgyou - Huykbe Huykbe Corp
- Xcvewc Xcvewx - Xcvewc Xcvewc Corp - 4 members
- Hghrwe Hghrwe - Xcvewc Xcvewc Corp
- Torres Patr11 - Torres Patr11 Corp - 4 members


That's a total of 12 characters in 4 corporations (I'm pretty sure there's more where that came from.)

Want more? Why not. The next part is mainly about hauling bots.

Description:
- Character names are gathered while travelling to detect the first group of bots listed in this thread;
- All of them that I was able to see were flying Iterons;
- All of them are active at the same time in the same area;
- Random (semi-)RL two word names, similar time of creation, mostly the same NPC corp;
- All characters have insane NPC corp standings, considering the time when they were created (one and a half to two and a half months);
- Many of them log in one after another in masses;
- Always working for the same pool of NPC corps;

Names, NPC corp ticker (saves the space), time since creation:
IAC = Imperial Academy
HU = Hedion University
RIN = Royal Amarr Institute

Anna Ripley - IAC - 1m 23d | Vibianus Hortense - IAC - 1m 23d
Boo Badoo - RIN - 1m 20d | Christin Muller - RIN - 1m 22d
Flo Kluge - HU - 1m 20d | Bence Aurelio - HU - 2m 4d
Tyra Lynn - HU - 1m 21d | Syra Cuze - HU - 3m 5d
Shi Blide - HU - 5d | Gamil Viljami - IAC - 2d
Mel Steiner - HU - 3d | Murietta Canelli - RIN - 3m 1d
Hendrik Tyre - HU - 1m 21d | Ivo Ivo - HU - 2m 13d
Jadranka Yentl - IAC - 1m 26d | Jaron Tell - IAC - 2m 25d
Jessica Garner - IAC - 2m 28d | Jita Leona - RIN - 2m 21d
Josh Breck - IAC - 1m 20d | Karima Madhav - HU - 2m 3d
Lisa Rear - IAC - 1m 22d | Omer Ceres - HU - 1m 15d
Rob Jenkins - RIN - 1m 20d | Rowan Rowan - RIN - 2m 14d



Wait, are those 2d, 3d old chars? Yes they are. And I'm very confident that they are the next generation of bots in the making. Every moth there's a period of time when bots are made (maybe has something to do with buddy program). Those three listed here follow all obvious patterns even in their first days. It's hard to hide that your character is working 23.5/7 when anyone can see your NPC corp standings. Also, my pattern havent failed me in 54 characters that I've reported just earlier this year. All of them were banned and all of them follow the exact same patters as these characters listed here. Yes, I'm confident that those are 2 days old bots.

That's it for now guys. 76 bots detected in just a handful of systems around Jita.

@CCP: First, investigate logs and track actions of those characters. Then, I suggest the old method of "pitchforks and torches" Twisted Evil. And yeah... I'd like to see "Unholy Rage 2.0" in the devblogs instead of your catastrophic changes of 0.0 space. Want the ISK sink? Want to turn off ISK faucets? Then BAN BOTS!
@CCP Dr.EyjoG: Please, include the information about the impact of bots on the economy in the next QEN before suggesting something as drastic as nerfing income of legitimate players in 0.0 space. Thank you.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.12 03:35:00 - [3]
 

Bots spark a lot, the sparks keep me warm in space at night and you want to take it away? Crying or Very sad

Seira A'nor
Posted - 2011.05.12 03:41:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: The Offerer

That's it for now guys. 76 Subscriptions detected in just a handful of systems around Jita.
Subscriptions!!![/quote




Fixed.

Iveran
Amarr
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.05.12 03:48:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Iveran on 12/05/2011 03:54:49
CCP: It's pretty bad when you're own paying customers are spending their play time looking for those that are truly ruining the game. I'd suggest a swift and drastic measure to counter bots. I'd even go as far as building a hardware GUID type ban system. Even the threat of such a ban system would prove massively effective.

-Iveran

The Offerer
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.12 04:11:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: The Offerer on 13/05/2011 13:37:08
Edited by: The Offerer on 13/05/2011 03:57:17
Edited by: The Offerer on 12/05/2011 14:48:54
Edited by: The Offerer on 12/05/2011 07:25:40
The link of this thread is now sent to Game Masters through the petition system. GMs are encouraged to investigate all characters listed in the OP.

Edit:
Since there's no more room in the original two posts, I'll post some more here. Total count 99.

Kixnasuyd - Kixnasuyd Corp
Sndingg - Sndingg Corp
Joenglkh - Joenglkh Corp
Loengknh - Loengknh Corp <-edited 14:48 PM
Toxmasdu - Toxmasdu Corp <-edited 2011.05.13 03:56
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Big update - Excursion to Waskisen Solar System - 2011.05.13 13:37
All characters were in Waskisen solar system. The local in Waskisen and situation in front and around Corporate Police Force station was so bad that I've got to conclusion that if you nuke that station with everyone in it, you'll do minimum damage to human players. Many of the characters are flying CNRs. The rest are exclusively in Ravens.

Youaine - Youaine Corp32 (like adding 32 at the end is going to help)
Alyoubo - Alyoubo Corp22
Auyxbnasd - Auyxbnasd Corp
Csixnfut - Csixnfut Corp
Hnffhfy Dunier - hnffh489 Corp ("Dunier" is probably the "family" name you can add in char creator)
Ycbvopq Odunen - NPC corp
Lonfien - Lonfien Corp
Nfdfdcf Enderas - jdfutncx Corp
Uhspqmsc - Uhspqmsc Corp
Uncvji8 - Uncvji8 Corp
Yoliunam - Yvddsoaliam Corp
Yo****lyly - Yo****lyly Corp
Hoabvhgua - bvhgua Corp
Ronoea - Ronoea Corp
Carmischeii Mabebu - Uwuwusks Isai Corp (2 man corp with Uwuwusks Isai as inactive CEO.. corp url is a link to Facebookugh)
Ureflee83 Amm Thara - skejoiw ie Corp (same pattern as above... again Facebook as corp url)
Muheno - HJSD GGGDS corp (same as above, this time some random link that doesn't exist)
Shouef - NPC corp (Muheno and Shouef have an iteresting character generation pattern. Instead of standard generic pose, head is leaning to the right with a slight, but same generic "smile")

DarkAegix
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.12 06:38:00 - [7]
 

Awesome work, OP.
Let's hope that something's done about this. Keep us posted Very Happy

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.12 06:46:00 - [8]
 

Methinks your count in Jita might be a bit low Razz

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.05.12 07:03:00 - [9]
 

terrific! you've outdone yourself, you shall get the badge of valor for protecting the capsuleers from Concord Assembly.

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.05.12 07:09:00 - [10]
 

Well, for all of your blustering, table formatting and fancy fonts, you haven't actually proved that these characters that you listed are bots. Only CCP can do that.


Find some new windmills to tilt at.

Heroltior Ghedonia
Posted - 2011.05.12 07:25:00 - [11]
 

Smells like another HAG coming... Twisted Evil

The Offerer
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.12 07:42:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Bumblefck
Well, for all of your blustering, table formatting and fancy fonts, you haven't actually proved that these characters that you listed are bots. Only CCP can do that.


Find some new windmills to tilt at.


No, they are just a bunch of cool guys carebearing.Rolling Eyes

- Same naming method;
- Same corp creation method;
- Approximately the same dates of creation;
- Behaviour patterns;
- Agent and NPC corp standings that a human simply can not achieve during the amount of time they were active;
- A group of characters following the same patterns of 50+ characters have been reported earlier and all of them banned;
- And... they look pretty cool, don't they: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1105/2011.05.12.07.35.24.jpg

RandomYarrr
Posted - 2011.05.12 08:35:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Bumblefck
Well, for all of your blustering, table formatting and fancy fonts, you haven't actually proved that these characters that you listed are bots. Only CCP can do that.


Find some new windmills to tilt at.


Uh oh, someone seems ****ed! Did he find your army?

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.05.12 08:38:00 - [14]
 

have you bothered to petition this , Question

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.05.12 08:38:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Bumblefck on 12/05/2011 08:39:09
Originally by: The Offerer
Originally by: Bumblefck
Well, for all of your blustering, table formatting and fancy fonts, you haven't actually proved that these characters that you listed are bots. Only CCP can do that.


Find some new windmills to tilt at.


No, they are just a bunch of cool guys carebearing.Rolling Eyes

- Same naming method;
- Same corp creation method;
- Approximately the same dates of creation;
- Behaviour patterns;
- Agent and NPC corp standings that a human simply can not achieve during the amount of time they were active;
- A group of characters following the same patterns of 50+ characters have been reported earlier and all of them banned;
- And... they look pretty cool, don't they: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1105/2011.05.12.07.35.24.jpg



My point is simply that, ultimately, it's not the preserve of players to be investigating and confirming beyond a shadow of a doubt that someone is indeed using a bot (though of course there are always dedicated individual sleuths like yourself!) - that is CCP's job, and only they can say categorically one way or the other.

Besides, why would you want to do their job for them, without getting paid for it? LaughingSmile


Also:



Quote:
Uh oh, someone seems ****ed! Did he find your army?


lol

The Offerer
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.12 09:00:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Bumblefck

My point is simply that, ultimately, it's not the preserve of players to be investigating and confirming beyond a shadow of a doubt that someone is indeed using a bot (though of course there are always dedicated individual sleuths like yourself!) - that is CCP's job, and only they can say categorically one way or the other.

Besides, why would you want to do their job for them, without getting paid for it? LaughingSmile




Because, they are not doing a good job. If a player with only in-game information can manually detect 79 potentially malicious characters, then why CCP haven't done it with their automated database searching and filtering tools and all that they have in the backend to help fighting against bots? Only two possible answers: backend tools for finding bots don't exist or are not well made.

Why am I doing this? Well, I love this game and I hate to see it infected with those who are ruining it. Also, CCP have made some drastic moves despite the huge amount of negative feedback from the community in order to make interventions on the economy. Normal players, players that actually play and love this game are suffering from changes that are in the game partially because of the bots and ISK bots are creating. I don't think CCP realize just how much impact a bot army like this have on the economy, just like they haven't got a clue what real lag looks like until CSM presented them a video clip showing what the actual lag looks like. I'm doing the same thing here, but in this case to fight the other monster - bots. The bot army listed here is just a part of what's active. Leave them alone, and you'll see nerfs all around the place hurting normal players to the point where bots take over and New Eden close its doors (gates, server,... whatever).

Off course, CCP have the final word and holds the banhammer. I just wanted to show the size of the problem and that bots are real - it's not PvP propaganda (like it is used in DRF-NC war), it's not trolling.

Originally by: RaTTuS
have you bothered to petition this , Question


Originally by: The Offerer

The link of this thread is now sent to Game Masters through the petition system. GMs are encouraged to investigate all characters listed in the OP.

Thuranni
Eldjotnar
Posted - 2011.05.12 09:09:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Thuranni on 12/05/2011 09:08:58
So is there any reason why this couldn't have just been a petition to the GMs?

RandomYarrr
Posted - 2011.05.12 09:14:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Thuranni
Edited by: Thuranni on 12/05/2011 09:08:58
So is there any reason why this couldn't have just been a petition to the GMs?


OP has said it twice that he has ALREADY petitioned this. L2R!

Tyburn Stannis
Caldari
Xenon Salvage Inc.
Posted - 2011.05.12 09:16:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: The Offerer
Why am I doing this?


Better question - why are you doing it publicly? If you have this sort of information the correct thing to do is petition or e-mail it, not make a thread on the forum. (Yes, I know you said there was a petition linking to this thread, but that's not what forums are for) There is no need to make it public, and in fact you've just made it more difficult for CCP by warning every single named "suspect" to change their alleged suspicious behaviour, all for the sake of self-publicity.

Great idea, great hard work, terrible attention seeking. And you have the nerve to assume you're the only player doing this kind of investigation... just because you're the only one blowing your own trumpet.

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.05.12 09:17:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: The Offerer

The link of this thread is now sent to Game Masters through the petition system. GMs are encouraged to investigate all characters listed in the OP.

sorted ... missed that

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.05.12 09:21:00 - [21]
 

Why don't you blow up their stuff if your so concerned?

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2011.05.12 09:26:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: RandomYarrr
Originally by: Thuranni
Edited by: Thuranni on 12/05/2011 09:08:58
So is there any reason why this couldn't have just been a petition to the GMs?


OP has said it twice that he has ALREADY petitioned this. L2R!
However he only petitioned it AFTER making the thread. L2R!

The Offerer
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.12 10:02:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: El'Niaga
Why don't you blow up their stuff if your so concerned?

I'm trying to do that, but have never been in suicide gank business before (I'm still learning... will be more efficient after a while) and they are avoiding wardecs by closing their corps and opening another ones with the same name.
Originally by: Tyburn Stannis
Originally by: The Offerer
Why am I doing this?


Better question - why are you doing it publicly? If you have this sort of information the correct thing to do is petition or e-mail it, not make a thread on the forum. (Yes, I know you said there was a petition linking to this thread, but that's not what forums are for) There is no need to make it public, and in fact you've just made it more difficult for CCP by warning every single named "suspect" to change their alleged suspicious behaviour, all for the sake of self-publicity.

Great idea, great hard work, terrible attention seeking. And you have the nerve to assume you're the only player doing this kind of investigation... just because you're the only one blowing your own trumpet.


I do this publicly because the last time I've reported a large bot operation, they were banned (after a month or so), but no tools whatsoever were developed on the server side to detect the exact same behaviour (otherwise we wouldn't see the same pattern now). The spotlight should be on fighting bots, not nerfing player income all around EVE - be it 0.0 space which we already saw, or highsec missions which will come soon. Only we don't know for sure what will happen to highsec ISK making yet.

So why don't we put a spotlight on bots, their numbers and impact they are making on the economy before it's too late? When the whole game is in danger from terrible game changes and every single legitimate player in it will suffer if CCP don't give enough attention to solving the bot problem and detecting their impact on the economy, it's time to go public with the info. At least, there will be someone somewhere that can investigate listed characters and their behaviour themselves and have enough fire power to deal with the problem in a more traditional in-game way more efficiently than I can.

I'm also doing it to show the community that bots are in fact real and everywhere around us. It's not some topic on the forum, it's not war propaganda. It's not happening only in deep 0.0 space where majority of the players can not go and check for themselves. It's happening right in front of our eyes in the most populated area in EVE.

And yeah... they can not change their suspicious behaviour. Bots use patterns, not human input. If you have a large amount of characters doing the exact same thing at the exact same time on exactly the same way, they can not pass as normal players. If it was attention seeking, I would post with my main.

Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: RandomYarrr
Originally by: Thuranni
Edited by: Thuranni on 12/05/2011 09:08:58
So is there any reason why this couldn't have just been a petition to the GMs?


OP has said it twice that he has ALREADY petitioned this. L2R!
However he only petitioned it AFTER making the thread. L2R!

Yes... Approximately 1 or 2 minutes after the original post (as soon as I logged in the petition area to post it).

Efraya
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.12 10:12:00 - [24]
 

Posting in a thread where people have spent time and effort to collect this information and present a decent case to CCP and there isn't a CCP response.

CCP Guard, community manager, would you like to comment?

Krevnos
Posted - 2011.05.12 10:31:00 - [25]
 

That is a pretty impressive round-up of local bots! And yes, I think it should be highlighted to the public in order to force the drive in dealing with that has become a very serious problem in EvE. Every day I see trading bots buying my wares to re-sell on the market. I see them hauling goods into Jita, and I see "reputable" characters of major alliances hauling huge loads of drone goo in jump freighters to the Jita market. Just 3 jumps from Jita you'll find bots in an ice field.

I report what I can, but the problem is literally overwhelming.

rootimus maximus
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.12 10:41:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: RandomYarrr
Originally by: Thuranni
Edited by: Thuranni on 12/05/2011 09:08:58
So is there any reason why this couldn't have just been a petition to the GMs?


OP has said it twice that he has ALREADY petitioned this. L2R!


The keyword In Thuranni's post is "just". As in: Why does he need to post it on the forum, when he could have just petitioned it and gone about his business? Bots in Eve. Hardly newsworthy given how many there seem to be.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2011.05.12 10:42:00 - [27]
 

We already have a "Report ISK Spammer" and that worked really well.

When will we get the "Repot Bot" button?

It was promised us at Fanfest!

Kati Joringer
Posted - 2011.05.12 10:52:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: rootimus maximus
Originally by: RandomYarrr
Originally by: Thuranni
Edited by: Thuranni on 12/05/2011 09:08:58
So is there any reason why this couldn't have just been a petition to the GMs?


OP has said it twice that he has ALREADY petitioned this. L2R!


The keyword In Thuranni's post is "just". As in: Why does he need to post it on the forum, when he could have just petitioned it and gone about his business? Bots in Eve. Hardly newsworthy given how many there seem to be.


Its good that people post up info about bots thats they find, it might encourage CCP to actually do something about them rather than just make a few promises that they are doing something about it and then everything stays the same. Seems that they would rather have their plex subscriptions though rather than get rid of the bots. Neutral

baltec1
Posted - 2011.05.12 10:56:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: rootimus maximus
Originally by: RandomYarrr
Originally by: Thuranni
Edited by: Thuranni on 12/05/2011 09:08:58
So is there any reason why this couldn't have just been a petition to the GMs?


OP has said it twice that he has ALREADY petitioned this. L2R!


The keyword In Thuranni's post is "just". As in: Why does he need to post it on the forum, when he could have just petitioned it and gone about his business? Bots in Eve. Hardly newsworthy given how many there seem to be.


I for one welcome this news and wish to see more.

Silence iKillYouu
The innocent criminals
Posted - 2011.05.12 11:04:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Gnulpie
We already have a "Report ISK Spammer" and that worked really well.

When will we get the "Repot Bot" button?

It was promised us at Fanfest!

+1


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