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Shigeono
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:42:00 - [61]
 

Like other's have asked, is it possible and allowed to use this to create yourself an alt by upgrading the "buddy's trial account" with a PLEX?

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2011.05.16 16:48:00 - [62]
 

good job creating 10 free alt accounts per month, this will boost your subscription numbers without boosting profit, good for cooking books i suppose.

Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2011.05.17 02:50:00 - [63]
 

>>What if I don't like the Buddy Program?

> Look for more information later this year

No, thanks.

Nairuhk
Posted - 2011.05.18 11:04:00 - [64]
 

It is normal practice when creating alts to Buddy Program yourself, then start a subscription. I have done this several times.

Why should it make any difference whether the new subscription is me, my partner, my schizophrenic alter ego, or my postman? It's just a new paying account.

A trial account already has various limitations which prevent abuse my multi-boxers.

Regards, Steve


Nairuhk
Posted - 2011.05.18 11:08:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Rasz Lin
good job creating 10 free alt accounts per month, this will boost your subscription numbers without boosting profit, good for cooking books i suppose.


Trial accounts are not included in Subscription numbers (see QEN reports for exact details), and an alt that subscribes is a paying account.

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2011.05.18 15:37:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Nairuhk
Originally by: Rasz Lin
good job creating 10 free alt accounts per month, this will boost your subscription numbers without boosting profit, good for cooking books i suppose.


Trial accounts are not included in Subscription numbers (see QEN reports for exact details), and an alt that subscribes is a paying account.


they get activated with plex = not trials
plex is returned = they are free to make


Angel of Night
Posted - 2011.05.19 13:52:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Jimmae
Originally by: Mike deVoid
So every account can start 10 new alt accounts - each with 51 days training time. That's a lot of suicide ganking alts, cyno alts, spy alts, corp theft alts, etc. I think you can even train a scrub drake alt in that time....

Because they give you 10 PLEX for these accounts, you can buy 1 PLEX from the market. Then activate the first account with that and then chain activate the rest with the PLEX you are given. You only have to sell the final 1 PLEX on the market - which will be practically isk neutral.

So what will you do with your 10 free alt accounts each month?

Why stop there? As I see it each of those 10 alts can make another 10 alts and each of those...

The resulting alt explosion can and will be used for nefarious purposes. After all this is Eve Online we are talking about.



I've already seen and talked to people who use this to train mining alts and make huge fleets to make isk... each alt will be dumped after 51 days and new one will take the its place...

Imo... plex payment option should be available only to accounts, which have paid at least once with some method with involves real life currency. This would also be good method to fight RMT and prevent great part of 'grey area exploiting' happening around plex and buddy program.

Think about it please, thank you.

-angel

Rayford Carpathia
Posted - 2011.05.19 16:40:00 - [68]
 

Plexes are not received until after the buddy pays for his first month's account. There is no way to scam CCP or anyone else by using this method.

Sgt Jessa Hakaari
Posted - 2011.05.20 02:16:00 - [69]
 

I am fairly certain that the "buddy" has to subscribe before you get your free PLEX or 30 days. You dont get one for every character that signs up for a free amount of days.

It is a good idea and could result in a few more players in EvE. The more the marrier I say.

portrait info: was holding this position for too long while the dang camera guy was setting up to snap the pic. Laughing

Kara Royer
Posted - 2011.05.21 07:05:00 - [70]
 

But, after the 21 day trial, you can activate the buddy account with a plex bought on the market, can't you? Then you get it back, so...

Tacyon
The Phayder Corporation
Posted - 2011.05.21 16:40:00 - [71]
 

main page of your web site reads: "There is always something happening in EVE Online and the weekend is where the action really starts hotting up. Why not invite a buddy to come and try EVE this weekend? Not only will your friend get 21 days of game time, but we will also reward you with 30 days of game time or a PLEX, once that buddy converts."

I'd like to sign up for some of that weekend "hotting up" I'm not sure what it entails but anything that occurs over the weekend and evolves "hotting up" sounds like a freaking blast to me. Laughing

[ehm, I think that would be "heating up"] Very Happy

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.05.21 22:02:00 - [72]
 

i'm surprised by the MODT and so on off site ;
do we got somethign special this weekend, or it's just the previous ad from 5 days ago that you forgot to add before ?

Bicc Bum
Abh Empire
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.05.22 00:05:00 - [73]
 

So if my buddy buys his account CD-Key on Steam (They are having a sale right now, just $5 for a key), creates the account with my buddy invite. Then activates the buddy account with that CD-Key, then adds a subscription; will I still get the PLEX?

Or does the CD-Key have to be purchased directly from CCP.

Leaf Blossom
Posted - 2011.05.22 10:27:00 - [74]
 

I don't seem to be able to see where i enter friends e-mail adress and click submit.

Is it only open at certain times ?

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.05.22 19:20:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Leaf Blossom
I don't seem to be able to see where i enter friends e-mail adress and click submit.

Is it only open at certain times ?

go to account management and search buddy program icon.

lokival
Posted - 2011.05.22 19:22:00 - [76]
 

Okay, for the people not seeing how it can be taken advantage of, here it is.

I refer myself an account

I pay for the account, lets call it freebie1 with a plex

freebie1 has 51 days, I get a plex

Freebie1 refers freebie2 an account

I give freebie2 my free plex

Freebie2 has 51 days, freebie1 gets a plex

Repeat for as long as you like.

As for where to find buddy invites, just log into your account management, and it's there.

CCP has yet to post here, on their page whether we are or are not allowed to do this without violating terms of service, but I don't see how it would be. You aren't breaking any rules.

Loki

Vierego
Vierego's Junk Imports
Posted - 2011.05.23 03:29:00 - [77]
 

I think I know their plot

A. number inflation for stock holders.

B. They don't care about screwing up the quafe zero market, as to them it was a present and if it crashes so what. I also expect that during incara there will be a ingame store, like SOE has, where you can buy stuff like this.

C. Even if you do make 10 billion accounts, you might find that you can reasonably run 4 and make a profit to justify plexing them again.

Even if you do throwaways, it still takes about 40days optimized to use a hulk, giving you 10 days of mining time....Or I can just keep that hulk pilot, and keep going.

Now their actual subscriber numbers have increased. I know this happened to me when I RoF myself way back when before plex. I ended up with 5 perma accounts.

D. Even if you use them to suicide gank/mine/pi that requires skillbooks,loosing ships, ect which are all isk sinks. For instance, in skillbooks alone it cost 29m.

E. High potential for an increase of new players.

After a certain amount of alts you realize that you can only use so many of them reasonably, and then you start talking to yourself via alts. So, wanting to gank bigger stuff/ go locsec roam/nulsec/ect you invite other people.

and, since it cost neither one of us anything, and (currently) the new player starts off with an easy 25m selling the Quafe Zeros. You now have
A new player with enough isk to have some "fun" and not have to struggle and grind to keep their head above the water who also has a friend ingame to keep him company.

I myself literally went down my steam list,facebook list, and offered to the people at my local cybercafe free accounts and got about 10 people myself. Since they are all new, and all know me, we all formed a sort of group with me imparting what little I know, them grouping together/ect. Since there are social aspects to keep playing besides just that 1 friend who invited them. Thus more then likely at least a couple of them will actually stay.

F. This also makes me believe that their bot scanning program is working, and working well. As I have to hope they foresaw this possibility for chaining accounts.


CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2011.05.23 16:54:00 - [78]
 

The following comes from our Customer Support Department:

Abusing the Buddy System is considered an exploit and will not be tolerated. Incidents will be handled on a case by case basis and action taken may include bans for all accounts involved and/or confiscation of ISK and items.

Abuse includes, but is not limited to: farming gifts, making throw-away alts for grief-play purposes.

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2011.05.23 17:30:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 23/05/2011 17:33:13
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
The following comes from our Customer Support Department:

Abusing the Buddy System is considered an exploit and will not be tolerated. Incidents will be handled on a case by case basis and action taken may include bans for all accounts involved and/or confiscation of ISK and items.

Abuse includes, but is not limited to: farming gifts, making throw-away alts for grief-play purposes.


FFS your new system is basicly just an open invitation for such abuse and maybe 5 to 15 % of users will ever even know about your little forum announcement. As long as your system allows the creation of infinite free full accounts with a single PLEX, you're going to have to get used to people constantly using the system to create throwaway accounts and using them for purposes they would never risk a main account for and for botting/RMT. I suppose it allows you to inflate some numbers with hot air, but it really isn't doing any good for the game.

Albrecht Gernsback
Posted - 2011.05.25 01:17:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Albrecht Gernsback on 25/05/2011 01:18:06
Originally by: Leaf Blossom
I don't seem to be able to see where i enter friends e-mail adress and click submit.

Is it only open at certain times ?


I was viewing the apge with Compatibility View on, and it failed to display the button to send an invite in IE 8 - I turned that off and the button came right up.

Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.06.01 02:01:00 - [81]
 

Experiment is over? There is no news item about this Crying or Very sad

Sgt Sully
Posted - 2011.06.01 22:07:00 - [82]
 

I was wondering, I made a trial account with the intention of upgrading(hes going to be my industry/minner). Is there any way to upgrade from the 21 day free trial and instantly get the plex? or will i have to wait a full month no matter what?

Amberlamps
Posted - 2011.06.05 06:18:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
farming gifts, making throw-away alts for grief-play purposes.


So tell me Zym, what is the definition of "Grief-play" and if it is so frowned upon why is it allowed to happen on a long running activate account.

I for one enjoy the "emergent gameplay" but griefing someone for 51 days then leaving the account to make a new character is just that and to me is well within the rules. That player has a bad name and is therefore seen as a danger, it would only be logical to take an alternative path.

The rules are so vague and the game allows this sort of "abuse". Either stop griefing all together or completely allow it, not both.

Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2011.06.06 07:39:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Amberlamps
So tell me Zym, what is the definition of "Grief-play"


Coding without concept and accusing customers of doing what had been actually been offered is my definition of "grief".

From my perspective:

Buddy program is a minefield.

Stay away from it to minimize your chances of getting yourself banned by CCP.

Don't invite people, be on the safe side.

Lee Anderson
Eternal Profiteers
Posted - 2011.06.15 12:35:00 - [85]
 

I think its a great idea. Wink


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