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Hayaishi
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2011.05.11 18:41:00 - [31]
 

More Plex = More Supply = Less Demand per unit = cheaper PLEX = Happy EVE

Amarrius Ibn Pontificus
Posted - 2011.05.11 18:50:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Hayaishi
More Plex = More Supply = Less Demand per unit = cheaper PLEX = Happy EVE


Exactly! And that's the first visible action aimed at curbing the plex prize inflation as mentioned around the fanfest.

On the other hand, it will be another isk faucet. And although I'd suspect most of the 25% of the total newcomers mentioned that get here though the buddy program are 2nd accounts of the same person, it's still gonna be an additional isk faucet so we all know what that will mean.

ceaon
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:19:00 - [33]
 

in the aff program affiliates dont get rewarded if ppl pay whit plex will CCP take the same approach for this to cut out farmers and macroers ?

idea
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:21:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: idea on 11/05/2011 19:24:19
lol how can you all be such idiots.. only thing ccp is doing is lowering prices of gametimecards ingame so people wanting to build things from plexes will have to buy more of them.. bigger piece of the cake for the greedy CCP "fatsós"

edit: ccp added gametimecards so people could trade there RL money for INGAME money.. this is just so ccp can get more RL money for INGAME money

Mr Krosis
Gallente
The humble Crew
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:03:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: ceaon
in the aff program affiliates dont get rewarded if ppl pay whit plex will CCP take the same approach for this to cut out farmers and macroers ?

That's what I was thinking as I read these comments, but as I go to double-check I see that in the terms and conditions:
Quote:
Eligible subscription activations can be funded by Credit/Debit cards, Direct Debit, WebMoney Transfer, paysafecard, ETC, PLEX, iDeal and PayPal.

Payments not eligible for this offer: CD Keys, including CD Keys purchased or received from non-CCP sources and online stores such as, but not limited to: Steam Store, Direct2Drive, Gamers Gate, Impulse Driven.

Jason W0rthing
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:18:00 - [36]
 

Amarr frigate IV, Amarr cruiser IV, Amarr Battleship III, Energy Pulse Weapons IV, Energy Management III, Energy Systems Operation I anything else anyone can think of that I'll need?

I'm thinking something along the lines of this...

[Apocalypse, Smarties]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]

Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800

Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]










x 100

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:45:00 - [37]
 

Infinite cyno alts go!

Glueboy
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:55:00 - [38]
 

I think you just created a way for players to create and own as much Quafe Zero as they like, for the investment price of 1x PLEX (which will be used on your main - so nothing lost)

Process:

1. Make alt account through buddy invite system
2. Send isk from main
3. Buy Plex from market
4. Activate alt account with Plex
5. Redeem Quafe Zero and contract to main

Main now has 6x Quafe Zero and the 'buddy reward' PLEX. Net gain is 6x Quafe Zero.

6. Create another alt via buddy system
7. Continue forever and ever as your main has 10 invites and so do all your new alt accounts
8. Profit.

Maldred
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:03:00 - [39]
 

Quote:
On the other hand, it will be another isk faucet. ... it's still gonna be an additional isk faucet so we all know what that will mean.


PLEX doesn't add a single isk to the economy. PLEX is not an isk faucet. Adding more PLEX will not cause inflation/spontaneous combustion/cats & dogs living together/mass hysteria. It will (probably) bring down the price of PLEX, that's about it.

Unless you mean some other definition of isk faucet/fountain that I am not aware of.

Charles37
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:17:00 - [40]
 

Will people be able to ballot stuff for CSM elections using this method?

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:33:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Jason W0rthing
Amarr frigate IV, Amarr cruiser IV, Amarr Battleship III, Energy Pulse Weapons IV, Energy Management III, Energy Systems Operation I anything else anyone can think of that I'll need?

I'm thinking something along the lines of this...

[Apocalypse, Smarties]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]

Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800

Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb

[/b]


If you use cap rechargers and cap power relays, its cap stable and never runs out of charges.

Of course, depending on where you use it, it may never get a chance to run out of anything.

Amarrius Ibn Pontificus
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:37:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Maldred

Unless you mean some other definition of isk faucet/fountain that I am not aware of.


Yup.

Vuiko Tarasovich
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:56:00 - [43]
 

solution to the problem of buy 1 plex, activate 10 alts chain style, sell 1 plex problem.

require $5 to activate an account with a plex (now 10 alts will cost $50) or require 2 plex to activate (giving +60 days).

since you only generate plex at a rate of 1 per alt, you can't activate them without buying more plex to start, and in the end you have a net loss of plex equal to the number of alts you made.

1 plex would still extend an activated account 30 days

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.05.12 00:14:00 - [44]
 

Is there any official rule about sending yourself a buddy invite?

I heard in the past that it was allowed.... certainly there were no statements explicitly against it in any of the description text.

If that rule were to change (or limmited) as sharing of accounts isn't allowed, if you see all of the new accounts being logged into by one person's computer (via nic card identity) it would be fair to assume that there werent' 10 people sharing the computer, getting up from the seat to login , then logging out etc.

Sure that would be subjective but there isn't anything wrong being somewhat subjective, especially if guidlines of what not to do, and the punishments for the first infractions were small and only excalated to ban hammer level with repeated flaunting of the rule's intent.

I don't really see how the ease of things like cyno alts has changed much. Instead of applying a plex to your own account, you can currently trade the plex you would have used to your alt account and basically gotten a 7 free week alt for what you were going to do already.

The chaining might help people without the liquidity to fund mutiple accounts or desire to get that much future game time... so for things like the gifts and CSM voting etc some rules requiring subscriptions active over 2 or 3 months would easily head off the worst of those exploits.

Working as intended benefits would be somone in a Clan/Corp/Guild suddenly able to send 20 or 30 invites if they had a couple alt accounts. If that person were a popular person, leader in that other game, they might prod a whole group to jump in Mass.. given psychology and friendship.. once a few jumped maybe half would "lemming" after them.

That really could attract a lot of peopele in groups to eve (I jumped here from the pardus browser game a couple years ago because of a prod something close to that).

While that could make popular game leader types quite nice piles of isk, 3 or 6 billion is hardly earth shattering for a player with that sort of skills, and unlikely repeatable too often ...

Getting new players by the dozens could be well worth a few knuckleheads aided a bit more in making alts than in the past .

--- another exploit i thought of.

the mechanism is a safe way to move plex from high sec to distant 0.0 stations if you could decide where and when to recieve your plex reward. Create an account, transfer the plex to them via a high sec alt station trade, activate permaent account, redeem buddy plex in your 0.0 station.

All of the use of emails and creating user names and passwords and logging in and out does take some human effort that makes many advantages gained come along with an opporutinity cost of what you could have been making in game with other activities and the same time and effort.

Shangpo
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.05.12 02:53:00 - [45]
 

WTB Power of 2....

Amber Villaneous
Posted - 2011.05.12 05:03:00 - [46]
 

Good try but ya can't pay me to pull a sucker punch on my friends, just trollin and waitin til my subs expire.

Jimmae
Posted - 2011.05.12 06:47:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Amber Villaneous
just trollin and waitin til my subs expire.

That didn't need pointing out. Rolling Eyes

A Little Girl
Posted - 2011.05.12 07:40:00 - [48]
 

It will be monitored to see if it has the desired effect of artificially inflating the account numbers even more.





Because we all know the 40,000+ accounts logged in at peak times are all unique people and definitely not lots of alts. Rolling Eyes

Deyionu
The Maverick Navy
Posted - 2011.05.12 08:53:00 - [49]
 

I don't see the reason for the PLEX being an offered as an option here. If your paying the account with RL money, well you get a month free (don't have to pay). If your paying for your account by isk, well you don't have to grind for the isk that month or if you have money coming in you get to spend it elsewhere now.

The only new option being added is CCP basicly paying you isk to bring in someone. Now I know CCP isn't spawning isk, well until they buy PLEX to curve prices, but the item is guaranteed an isk value on the market. If you MUST offer a new option I'd rather have a new LP store with items you can buy that are "consumable" and they last from 10-30 days. Also they can't traded ANYWHERE.

So lets say you recruit a friend and that earns you 10k LP (throwing out numbers).
You can buy an +3 implant that increase the rate your security increases (get to positive standing faster).
Maybe one that increase standing earned to corps (get to lvl 4 missions faster).
Get some special ship (non combat).

Basically I would like to see something that helps you in some fashion but doesn't directly give you isk without putting extra effort beyond the item bonus.

davet517
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.05.12 11:42:00 - [50]
 

Skynet has become self-replicating. Do humans stand a chance against the rise of the machines?

M1ep1e
Posted - 2011.05.12 11:45:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: M1ep1e on 12/05/2011 11:46:23
posted on wrong thread

Sedilis
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.05.12 12:07:00 - [52]
 

Sounds like a great addition to the buddy account system.

You could scrap the play time option and people can then either sell the plex or apply it for the playtime.

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.12 17:47:00 - [53]
 

Well lets put it this way

Each player can now have 10 free accounts that expire each month.

because each account has been payed for. . . they count as payed subscribers

therefor they get to count thoes subs as payed subs, thus padding the hell out of there subscription numbers.

its a win-win-win from CCP point of view.

Fred Kyong
Caldari
EWH NanoTex
Posted - 2011.05.13 05:30:00 - [54]
 

The idea is very good. I would prefer a web based code/ applet or whatever to integrate into our players website. So people could go there too and sign up to the buddy program. Not sure this is already out there somewhere.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.05.13 07:49:00 - [55]
 

Make a limit that a character has to have more than 3 months of game time remaining to receive plex instead of gametime.

Kalientes
Posted - 2011.05.14 12:26:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Kalientes on 14/05/2011 12:37:39
All this idea with plex for eve buddy program Terrifies Me Sad

Found this at eve fan forum where people are worried as me :

translation:
"
1. Eve player bought gtc (+2 plexes in market + 35 usd to ccp)

2. Isk chinese farmer buy plexes

3. Isk chinese farmer sell plexes for real cash ,buyer is activating trail accs

4. +2 new plexes in market- guy wanna get isk (no dolars for ccp)

loop:

1. Isk chinese farmer buy plexes

2. Isk chinese farmer sell plexes for real cash ,buyer is activating trail accs

3. +2 new plexes in market- guy wanna get isk (no dolars for ccp)

"
So CCP lost a lot money.

For game much worst is chain acc activating - suicade gankers.

Humpfgrunz
Gallente
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.05.14 12:52:00 - [57]
 

Nice one CCP !

First you sh*t on your customers by destroying all their investitions and Anomalies in 0.0 !
Then, after you realize, that your customers just do not like to be sh*t on and have outright cancelled their subscription in masses, you hope to get things right with a new buddy program !

If you want your customers back:
1. Stop nerfing just everything to death !
2. Immediately rebalance 0.0 back towards as it was before the Anomaly-Nerf !
3. Reimburse all Corporations/Alliances the Pirate V Upgrades you made worthless ! Even reimburse the Alliances who have left 0.0 because of that all their IHUBs and other Upgrades !
4. Publicly fire GM Greyscale and apologize for your mistreatment of your customers for your failure to give any statement to the huge amount of protests which arouse !
5. Send personal Apologies and free playtime to all your customers (players) who have outright stopped playing EVE because of that Nerf !


At CCP, you obviously forgot one thing:

It is your customers, who finally pay your salary, not your boss !
(Your boss will only pay it as long as he has enough paying customers !)

I'thari
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.15 04:50:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Hayaishi
More Plex = More Supply = Less Demand per unit = cheaper PLEX = Happy EVE
Where did you guys got the idea of "more PLEX"? Thing doesn't create plex... well, it does but it repleces one you used, so supply will stay the same.
It'll be more like short-term spike in demand (for cyno alts and stuff.. tho people, most likely, have those anyway), then you can simply have as much cyno alts as you want for free wihtout having to pay CCP anything, hence slightly lower demand in long term. Plus creation of bot accounts have never been easier: you can have infinite number of 2 month accounts for free - more than enough for the purpose. So it will lower demand a little in the long term, hence prices might go down a bit. But not because there will be more plexes - because they will be used less. "Problem" with PLEX prices is too much isk faucets and not enough sinks: isk doesn't go out of the system -> more isk/player -> prices for "cool" stuff rising.


Funny thing here: CCP wants more money (microtransactions) - people ocmplain, CCP wants less money (free cyno alts) - people complain Laughing

Dalton Vanadis
Posted - 2011.05.15 08:34:00 - [59]
 

Are you guys ever going to bring back that, "create an alt" program? Because I really really really want to create an alt account and this seems like a nice way, but I don't want to be doing something that would bring down a bh...

Confirm or deny if I can use this experiment to create me a singular alt account without the wrath of CCP coming down on my head for it.

Thanks

Alice Stargazer
Posted - 2011.05.15 23:54:00 - [60]
 

im hoping someone can answer this question:

i invited my friend 23 days before this plex for buddy thing started, if my friend activates his account, will i get a plex or a 30 day extension? i have 90 days on my account so id rather get a plex.


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