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CCP Fallout

Posted - 2011.05.11 13:51:00 - [1]
 

CCP Loktofeit's newest dev blog discusses some recent changes to our Buddy Program, including the newest experiment: PLEX for Buddy Reward program. Read all about it here.

Update May 23, 2011: Abusing the Buddy System is considered an exploit and will not be tolerated. Incidents will be handled on a case by case basis and action taken may include bans for all accounts involved and/or confiscation of ISK and items.

Mr LaForge
Posted - 2011.05.11 14:03:00 - [2]
 

First.

This looks interesting.

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.05.11 14:15:00 - [3]
 

Two links on login screen are ****ed up:

https://https//secure.eveonline.com/Marketing/Buddy/Default.aspx

and

http://www.http.com//www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=907

That, or the new firefox is total ****...

CCP Fallout

Posted - 2011.05.11 14:20:00 - [4]
 

Demon, I messed up, but it's fixed now :)

POS Trader
Posted - 2011.05.11 14:23:00 - [5]
 

Sounds like a good idea. Basically,

1. Get a buddy to join the game
2. Get a PLEX
3. Give the PLEX to your buddy and be BFFs
or
Use the PLEX (current incentive)
or
Sell the PLEX
or
Haul your new PLEXes in a frig during war for fun YARRRR!!

More choice is always good.

Gianath
Gallente
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
Posted - 2011.05.11 14:33:00 - [6]
 

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of getting PLEX, but maybe I'm missing something here, but what's to stop a person from using that same single PLEX reward to activate all 10 buddy accounts per month?

Most legitimate people could probably never make good use of that many active accounts within the 7 week timeframe, but many macro-ers sure can.

Malakai Draevyn
Caldari
Knights Of Anarchy
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.05.11 14:36:00 - [7]
 

Sorry to be a bit nit-picky, CCP..... but the T's and C's popout has a bit of an error :

Each paying account is restricted to ##NumInvites## Buddy Program invites per month.

Oops :p

Skaarl
Posted - 2011.05.11 14:53:00 - [8]
 

lol so idiotic anom nerf leads to fewer accounts, leads to having to pay massivly to write good "interviews" as advertisement, leads to having to come up with some other way to scam people to invite new people to an 8 year old game. go team BFF, best devs ever!

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.05.11 14:59:00 - [9]
 

I approve of more PLEX supply, dropping their price.

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:03:00 - [10]
 

Very interesting, and nice change.

/c

Capt Nogo
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:06:00 - [11]
 

I'm liking this option. Being a paying player, the 1-month extension always messes up my paying cycle that I have in place. PLEX gives me the option for adding to my in-game wallet (which needs boosting over my out-of-game wallet...but not by much).

Mike deVoid
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:17:00 - [12]
 

So every account can start 10 new alt accounts - each with 51 days training time. That's a lot of suicide ganking alts, cyno alts, spy alts, corp theft alts, etc. I think you can even train a scrub drake alt in that time....

Because they give you 10 PLEX for these accounts, you can buy 1 PLEX from the market. Then activate the first account with that and then chain activate the rest with the PLEX you are given. You only have to sell the final 1 PLEX on the market - which will be practically isk neutral.

So what will you do with your 10 free alt accounts each month?

Jimmae
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:37:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Mike deVoid
So every account can start 10 new alt accounts - each with 51 days training time. That's a lot of suicide ganking alts, cyno alts, spy alts, corp theft alts, etc. I think you can even train a scrub drake alt in that time....

Because they give you 10 PLEX for these accounts, you can buy 1 PLEX from the market. Then activate the first account with that and then chain activate the rest with the PLEX you are given. You only have to sell the final 1 PLEX on the market - which will be practically isk neutral.

So what will you do with your 10 free alt accounts each month?

Why stop there? As I see it each of those 10 alts can make another 10 alts and each of those...

The resulting alt explosion can and will be used for nefarious purposes. After all this is Eve Online we are talking about.

Kesi Raae
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:41:00 - [14]
 

What if you don't have any buddies?

CCP Loktofeit

Posted - 2011.05.11 15:43:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Gianath
Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of getting PLEX, but maybe I'm missing something here, but what's to stop a person from using that same single PLEX reward to activate all 10 buddy accounts per month?


As this is an experimental program, we'll be monitoring its impact closely.

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.05.11 15:59:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: CCP Loktofeit
Originally by: Gianath
Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of getting PLEX, but maybe I'm missing something here, but what's to stop a person from using that same single PLEX reward to activate all 10 buddy accounts per month?

As this is an experimental program, we'll be monitoring its impact closely.

You should know by now that "monitoring" is not enough. People will do it. Without restrictions you can create unlimited activated alt accounts. Let's see who gets to 1000 accounts first? And as of now it's completely legal, as no EULA rules are being broken.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2011.05.11 16:13:00 - [17]
 

This sounds like a fantastic idea, very good!

But what exactly are the criteria to get the reward? The website says only "at least one month subscription" of the buddy. But then we can create 1-month alts for pratically free.

Or is it necessary for the Buddy to pay real money and not a PLEX so that they reward get activated? That would prevent the free alt usage.



MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.05.11 16:16:00 - [18]
 

to bad if your friend goes to gamestop and activates his game with the current or any future boxed version of eve this offer IS VOID.

realdognose
Caldari
Biotronics Inc.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.05.11 16:17:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: realdognose on 11/05/2011 16:53:32
OT Cool

Pedro Carnicero
Amarr
Hartes Beton
Posted - 2011.05.11 16:21:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: CCP Loktofeit
Originally by: Gianath
Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of getting PLEX, but maybe I'm missing something here, but what's to stop a person from using that same single PLEX reward to activate all 10 buddy accounts per month?


As this is an experimental program, we'll be monitoring its impact closely.


I understood that you want to monitor that. But the question is now: Will I get banned for doing so?

realdognose
Caldari
Biotronics Inc.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.05.11 16:23:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Pedro Carnicero

I understood that you want to monitor that. But the question is now: Will I get banned for doing so?


i think its "Gamemechanics" Laughing

Diamond Knights
Posted - 2011.05.11 16:39:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Diamond Knights on 11/05/2011 16:39:58
So, I wait until the tournament and see if they wave the $5 activation fee for the account like last year. If they do I submit and build ten accounts and pick up a PLEX for $15 each rather than $17.50?

Gianath
Gallente
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
Posted - 2011.05.11 16:45:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Diamond Knights
Edited by: Diamond Knights on 11/05/2011 16:39:58
So, I wait until the tournament and see if they wave the $5 activation fee for the account like last year. If they do I submit and build ten accounts and pick up a PLEX for $15 each rather than $17.50?


There's no activation fee if you start up your trial account with a PLEX.

Tizona
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.11 16:57:00 - [24]
 

can't help it can you guys? ..gotta keep doing stuff that screws up the game.

you took a game based on Chaos theory.. ...and you're trying to structure the hell out of it.

what's next? capitals and bubbles in empire?

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.05.11 17:27:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Raid''En on 11/05/2011 17:27:15
Originally by: Gianath

There's no activation fee if you start up your trial account with a PLEX.

and moreover it was always allowed to use buddy invite to create an alt account to yourself, and so having first month free.

however, seems there's confusionbetween 2 categories of angry people here :
1) those who hate alts, and want all alt account to be deleted, for them this is making things worse than before
2) those who see this as a way to create a temporay alt account, for them it's the short term issues that is a problem only, the way people can create active for 1-2 months then cancel it forever
not the same thing at all...

would like to see what is exactly CCP position here ;

what do you want to monitor here ? people using this to have 51 free days on another account ? or more than that ?


Random Womble
Minmatar
Emo Rangers
Electric Monkey Overlords
Posted - 2011.05.11 17:42:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Random Womble on 11/05/2011 17:42:14
Originally by: CCP Loktofeit
Originally by: Gianath
Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of getting PLEX, but maybe I'm missing something here, but what's to stop a person from using that same single PLEX reward to activate all 10 buddy accounts per month?


As this is an experimental program, we'll be monitoring its impact closely.


TBH a solution would be just to make it that any plex activated account as a restriction will automatically only ever provide a game time bonus and never spawn a new plex no matter which option was selected. While this may seem harsh on legitimate users of this new option being trialled at the same time it provides a solution that enables it to work as a long term option without being overly abused.

Better a limited option than no option at all. Oh and I do like the idea.

Iancasnim
Posted - 2011.05.11 17:53:00 - [27]
 

Very interesting change. I look forward to lower PLEX prices as a result of increased supply.

Freckles McGee Erquilenne
Posted - 2011.05.11 17:57:00 - [28]
 

How about a Skill Points for new buddies?

Apocil Munar
Whistle-Britches
Posted - 2011.05.11 18:16:00 - [29]
 

What about a fixed link tied to each account? that way people can be passive about recruiting by placing links on facebook or by making banner ads for their own sites.

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2011.05.11 18:24:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: CCP Loktofeit
Originally by: Gianath
Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of getting PLEX, but maybe I'm missing something here, but what's to stop a person from using that same single PLEX reward to activate all 10 buddy accounts per month?


As this is an experimental program, we'll be monitoring its impact closely.


As I see it, it shouldn't be an exploit:

- That PLEX will never hit the market. It would be used to activate those accounts for the first month and disappear on the main account.
- Anyone can do it, so it's not an unfair advantage over other players.
- You will have to pay for those accounts after the first month if you want to continue having them active anyway.
- You will have to pay if you want to move all characters on as few accounts as possible (extra revenue for CCP and you still have to pay for those accounts to stay active).

But, as always, CCP have the final say here. So, please, review this option carefully and say it loud and clear if this is considered an exploit or not.


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