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Tandin
The Knights Templar
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:48:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Lt Smithh
1. PL your a bunch of "live at home F**s, We know you live in your 4 Sov system that don't need a JB network as you blob your Super's around.



A) It's "you're"

Originally by: Lt Smithh

Its almost like saying that the US military will loose all of its Carriers and support ships and they can only use there battleships because the people we are at war with does not have Carriers.



B) The US doesn't technically have any BS's on the naval registry. Guided missile cruisers and such, yes. BS's.. no..

Not sure how nerfing JB's equates to neutering ship classes though. Jump capable ships are still useful. It just means you can't jam every system anymore (which isn't necessarily a bad thing).

ArmyOfMe
Hysera.
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:48:00 - [152]
 

I only got one thing to say about this change, and that is ♥♥♥♥♥CCP♥♥♥♥♥♥

Guyver Kalithdor
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:50:00 - [153]
 

CCP... first time posting on a "idea" of yours....

You have to be f-ing kidding me... Exactly how do you plan to get this game to 2014 if you compeltely change the very core of it's dymanics. Do you think your core player base is PVE empire miners and mission runners or are they the hundreds of thousands in 0.0 space.

Are you trying for a Star Wars "Combat Update"

All you empire whinners about how "unfair" it is for you to not live in 0.0, WoW takes new subscriptions every day. Or you can ponny up and join us in 0.0 space.

CCP stop changing your game for the minority against the majority. There is no way 0.0 players want this garbage, and that is who it affects.

Kismeteer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:50:00 - [154]
 

Eh, there's an easy fix if they implement this: Don't live in 0.0.

Or quit playing eve, only way you can win.

PsychoLynchy
Amarr
Obscure Ops
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:50:00 - [155]
 

lol ... just lol

Elena Stormbringer
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:50:00 - [156]
 

Terrible.

Bren Keilloram
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:50:00 - [157]
 

I know that I'm telling something that no one will care about, but all the CCP staff should at least try to play in the game that they develop.
Also, imho I don't really like to be compared to a model as a 0.0 dweller.

Avoida
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:51:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Vuk Lau
This is ****ing ******ed but nothing else to be expected from 0.0 dev team who wants to limit force projection by raping industrialist and common John 0.0 Doe with this change.

And the worst thing is giving only a week for a change to implement, while there is hundreds of things in backlog community is crying for years, but its more important for you guys to heal the frustrations and enjoy in drama on forums this change will cause. You are that really that horny to **** people up.

Before usual trolls emerge, I need to point my alliance will be the least affected with this cause we have small territorial footprint and we live 10j from Jita and 3j from highsec. Also cynojammers are not any protection for long time, but I pitty all semiserious industrialist in 0.0 and people who are living bit more far from high/low sec. CCP just got your life 10 times harder cause they are ****ing clueless how 0.0 operates.






Sure..it doesn't affect Morsus Mihi that much, but hot damn does it really screw all your pets who rely so heavily upon the MM bridge network to reach Branch and Tenal.

keval4
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:51:00 - [159]
 

2011 is year of restrictions and stupid ideas for 0.0 sov Confused
what should we do to stop you implenting stupid ideas and forcing peoples leave nullsec ?

Shawna Gray
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:51:00 - [160]
 

Edited by: Shawna Gray on 10/05/2011 18:52:16
Why dont you do something with an actual impact like nerf supercaps instead of just making 0.0 a more boring place to be?

Subcaps are worthless already, no need to nerf them further.

Innominate
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:51:00 - [161]
 

Oh ****, we accidentally made 0.0 almost worth living in!

JUST.
NERF.
EVERYTHING.

Celistin
Salus Novus
United Front Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:52:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: Major Stallion
Does anyone else find it awesome how the majority of people chiming in about how bad this is is the NC/Goons/TEST bloc? :D


You mean kinda how awesome it is that most of the people going on about how great this is aren't affected by the changes?

penifSMASH
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:52:00 - [163]
 

QQ I'll need a scout now for my T1 shield purger Drake life is so unfair EmbarassedEmbarassedEmbarassed

Cynthia Ysolde
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:52:00 - [164]
 

Edited by: Cynthia Ysolde on 10/05/2011 18:56:09
Originally by: penifSMASH
IF Y'ALL CAN READ THIS THEN Y'ALL BEEN PWNED

WELCOME TO THE PWNZONE


definitely not empty quoting

no but really


Regat Kozovv
Caldari
Alcothology
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:52:00 - [165]
 

CCP believes that there should be no safe places in EVE. While this may be agreed with at face value by many players, ALL players are by nature, risk adverse. No one in the game is going to take an action without either reducing the likelihood of incurring a loss, or reducing the impact of one.

CCP however, seems to always go to new lengths to find ways to reverse or stymie this process. As soon as someone makes it too safe, or too reasonable, in comes the nerfbat.

I hope you take a good, long look at 0.0, and along with it, the state of the game in general, and where you'd like to go with it. We have all looked at CCP's various efforts to move more and more people out into 0.0, with little results. And I think this latest proposal shows, is that for all of the talk about wanting a brutal game world, players will opt for the safest, most cost-effective means of advancement possible. The majority of players in the game have weighed that and decided that level 4 missions are the best way to achieve that. Yet CCP focuses the majority of it's time and concentration on 0.0 content, to be experienced only by a small percent.

The content and features added to 0.0 have obviously not been effective at convincing the player-base to pack up and move out to the badlands. The level of effort and time required for the rewards gained is not worth it to most. On the other side of the game, there has been a dearth of rich content in favor of new PvP styles meant to mimic 0.0, which are avoided all the same. (It speaks volumes that CCP had to implement penalties for not performing incursions rather than selling them on their own merits.)

It would be fine enough if CCP's design team said "to heck with what everyone says, we only care about hardcore PvP anyways" and let the subscription numbers speak for themselves. Unfortunately that's not what the numbers show, and even with EVE being in the No. 2 slot, that position is slipping.

One of these days, CCP will have to decide what kind of game EVE wants to be, and whether or not it can afford to be so exclusive. I suspect that it could be, at the cost of it's grandiose aspirations. But if it ever wants to bill itself as a real game, instead of a second job for the hardcores, then it will need to take a real hard look at risk vs. reward in this game, and dispense with some long-held dogmas in the process.

Tom Sasaki
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:53:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Kismeteer
Eh, there's an easy fix if they implement this: Don't live in 0.0.

Or quit playing eve, only way you can win.
You know I barely used JBs at all back when I was in IT.

Kinda creepy the emotional attachment you guys have towards those JBs. But then goons have always been attached to their "eye of terror" doctrine and that is rather JBdependant.

Ribeye Jaksom
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:53:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Vuk Lau
This is ****ing ******ed but nothing else to be expected from 0.0 dev team who wants to limit force projection by raping industrialist and common John 0.0 Doe with this change.

And the worst thing is giving only a week for a change to implement, while there is hundreds of things in backlog community is crying for years, but its more important for you guys to heal the frustrations and enjoy in drama on forums this change will cause. You are that really that horny to **** people up.

Before usual trolls emerge, I need to point my alliance will be the least affected with this cause we have small territorial footprint and we live 10j from Jita and 3j from highsec. Also cynojammers are not any protection for long time, but I pitty all semiserious industrialist in 0.0 and people who are living bit more far from high/low sec. CCP just got your life 10 times harder cause they are ****ing clueless how 0.0 operates.







lol

Orion XXX
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:54:00 - [168]
 

Dear CCP,

Calling this a tweak is wrong.
Not telling us this was in the works at Fanfest is wrong.

Looks look you (CCP) is giving the 0.0 population the finger. Guess what: We can give you the finger as well. (CSM??)

What do you think? And yeah i dont give a **** about the empire/lowsec people that are being "brave" in this thread.

Alissa Solette
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:54:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Prof Fail
Edited by: Prof Fail on 10/05/2011 18:18:52
CCP...how can you build a jb network with just 1 jb per system?

Thats really the dumbest idea I ever heard. It will be heaven for cloaking gatecampers and 0.0 Traffic will be impossible.


SHOCKER: when I started out in 0.0 there were neither JBs nor JFs nor titan bridges and people had like 1 carrier per corp to move stuff around.

Yes, it was more work (for logistics guys/carebears)
Yes, it was riskier (for everyone)
but also
Yes, PVP was a lot more commonplace (especially non boring non sov blob battles such as disrupting supply lines etc. which is currently very difficult due to super-safe and super-fast travel nearly for free)

Sure, if your only concern is how you can maximize your ratting earnings (or those of your bots) and reduce the risk then I can see how you'd find this bad. If you actually play the fun part of game on the other hand then you should be rejoicing.

Starkiller Adams
Gallente
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:54:00 - [170]
 

Edited by: Starkiller Adams on 10/05/2011 18:55:51
NOw that i have composed myself from my first rage/tears post.

As park of that big blue carebear zone in 0.0 this wont change a ****ing thing...................just take longer to move ****.

What makes me ****ing rage is how u:
1)Do whatever comes into your dam minds
2)Dont consult the playerbase
3)Make stupid ass changed
4)Make changes while largely ignoring the ****ton of half assed project u have implimented thus far *cough lowsec, faction warefare cough* god knows the list goes on
5)U only seem to be poking and messing with low sec but a vast majority of people live in high sec

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:55:00 - [171]
 

Oh god the tears in here are freaking spectacular.

Azaydius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:55:00 - [172]
 

Edited by: Azaydius on 10/05/2011 18:54:58
I would love to have explained to me logically how potentially doubling the number of systems requiring jump bridges and therefore towers to deploy them on does anything to help logistics not want to commit suicide? So now they have to take down current bridges / towers, put up new towers (which have to be fueled regularly) and they have to fly to twice as many systems to maintain all of this? I think you will find logistics people very confused by this being meant to 'help' them. This is a moronic change, please remove your heads from your backsides.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:55:00 - [173]
 

Edited by: Liang Nuren on 10/05/2011 18:55:26
Originally by: Fantome
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Someone on FHC pointed out that JFs should probably receive similar treatment to BOBS... the idea that someone is gonna fly their JF through a regular gate to top off the JB network is pretty laughable.

-Liang


Cynogenerator is the way JF will use.. Rolling Eyes

Good move CCP ! keep the good work




Hmmm... IIRC you can't use them in a cynojammed system, but honestly I wasn't a JF pilot last time I was in a 0.0 alliance. Overall, I got nothing to say about this change except that the tears are delicious.

/shrug

Ed: I guess you can offline/online the cynojammer to bring in your JFs? Could provide for a situation like a "lowering the gate" and timed invasions? Could be p cool

northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
Terran United Federation
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:55:00 - [174]
 

Edited by: northwesten on 10/05/2011 18:56:14
Edited by: northwesten on 10/05/2011 18:55:00
I like to note I been playing this game for 7 years. I know 0.0 before JB and jump freighter and freighter ffs. This is a good change to make 0.0 more risky. I mean I was in NC and traveling around at such a low risk... I was in detroid and had no access to JB network of WA or WN. I managed to deal with logistics and managed to operate very well down their. Soon I got WN JB life became very easy again...

If their a hostile gang camping. Alliance should gang up and remove them. You getting rich in 0.0 I mean Amon changed but not as rich as you get as you use too but still way better than empire.

Small alliance going to get hurt? No they wont because if you don't have the logistic your hurting your self period end of story.... Every Corporation should make sure they have logistic sorted.

Moving fleets going to suck? No again it wont you have titians use them. JB can help and you can engage on the way like any other. You should move your fleet to one side of the EVE to another in 15mins No freaking way.. So your making a buffer and gaps.

Though only thing I worried about is Caps that can't use JB's. Maybe they should have Capital type JB to move your ship into a cyno jammed system?
Anyhow This will enable Corporation and small alliance to engage bigger alliances. Opens the risk getting hurt big time but If people in the alliance doesn't work together then you do not have the right to hold space period. I pretty much angry people complaining about logistic when you have JUMP FREIGHTER FFS! I moved my standard freighter from detroid to high sec on my own with an alt....... If I can do that I sure you can do other thing pretty well.

So WoW players please STFU!

Mr LaForge
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:55:00 - [175]
 

Edited by: Mr LaForge on 10/05/2011 19:00:21
Soundwave is no longer my favorite dev. I'm in search of another now.

Also I hate this. Oh look just camp the **** out of the gates now that the JBs were designed to avoid. I hope the CSm is seeing this blog in iceland is is tearing into CCP for it.

If you're gonna limit it, then set it to 2. Also is there any story reason for this or was it just thought up one morning?

Cynthia Ysolde
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:55:00 - [176]
 

This is an awesome change for smaller alliances because it forces people to actually use some gates to get from point a to point b when travelling long distances only; most small alliance will see basically no change from this, only the megacoalitions who were able to move their ratting ships or titans from the southern end of fountain to geminate in like 8 jumps without using a single gate under a cynojammer the whole time will now actually have to scout ahead like the rest of us not in the nc
Enjoy babbies :)

Cellistara
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:55:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: penifSMASH
QQ I'll need a scout now for my T1 shield purger Drake life is so unfair EmbarassedEmbarassedEmbarassed


Does anyone in PL fly drakes? I thought you were all in supers and t3s that DRF bought you.

I Legionnaire
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:55:00 - [178]
 

BAHAHA Laughing

look at all of the rage

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:56:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
but because the work will begin this winter and hopefully go on for a while.

So I guess you guys were serious about the 18 months thing then?

Valfreyea
Posted - 2011.05.10 18:57:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Cellistara
Originally by: penifSMASH
QQ I'll need a scout now for my T1 shield purger Drake life is so unfair EmbarassedEmbarassedEmbarassed


Does anyone in PL fly drakes? I thought you were all in supers and t3s that DRF bought you.


ice buuuuurn


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