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Feyleaf
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:05:00 - [1711]
 

Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 22:17:15
Rolling Eyes
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Feyleaf
Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:59:13
A single line comment like that is fine but not worthy of respect, go enjoy your griefing persona in-game its fun fun.
but its basically the standard troll for any such discussion in here atleast come up with something new?..


Just to be perfectly clear, I wasn't simply refering to that last comment, but rather the entire series of rants the two of you have made throughout the course of this thread.


yep.. you should comment on the rants that conflict with your own view... I dont use too much energy on agreeing with people.. unless I do. and im still waiting for ansfer for the questions asked by all kinds of different ppl in here.. sofar some beating around the bush and then some silence is what we gotRolling Eyes
Most important question is.. why the rush. cant say im against these actual changes.. except for it being part of a bad trend lately. ccp should announce something like this early so everyone know and not just those with insider knowledge.

Steel Dragon
Caldari
Skyforger
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:07:00 - [1712]
 

This just shows how ******ed the team looking into 0.0 space really is. A few questions for the fools that obviously have never truly lived in 0.0:
1. How do capital ships get into friendly station systems that are cyno jammed if we can't use a jb?
2. Why do you think having a JB highway is wrong? We took a lot of time and effort to build them so yes they should be slightly safer and tbh I have lost more ships from JB's then stargates.
3. WTF are you smoking and can I have some.

Anyway good job at losing yet another subscriber (and my 4 other accounts ) You have (or are) totally destroying the only aspect of this game I truly enjoyed and I have been here from the start. Thanks CCP for being total douche bags.

Was words:
If it isn't broken don't fix it

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:09:00 - [1713]
 

Originally by: Sidus Sarmiang
Edited by: Sidus Sarmiang on 11/05/2011 22:05:03
One of the biggest issues I see is that it's very easy for "elite PvP" types to attack sov-holders, but there's no mechanism for sov holders to hit them back in a meaningful way beyond trying to kill their supercaps (which are a major balance issue in and of themselves). If anything, that needs a look and some serious fixing.





I agree with this. It would add depth to the game if industrial giants that lacked PVP experience (rather than sheer numbers) could flex their economic muscles a bit more directly to bring pressure to bear on PVP centric entities.

Who knows, perhaps this will spark the return of the large Merc outfits that could be hired to do that very thing.

Smurf Dog
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:11:00 - [1714]
 

I think CCP should spend less time nerfing stuff, and more time adding useful features or fixing the many remaining bugs.

There it is: STOP NERFING!!! Use a bit of imagination, would it kill you.

Lofe sXe
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:13:00 - [1715]
 

I haven't read the devblog ... but by the amount of carebear tears I must think that finally CCP have a good idea ?

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:14:00 - [1716]
 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 11/05/2011 22:15:36
Originally by: Steel Dragon
This just shows how ******ed the team looking into 0.0 space really is. A few questions for the fools that obviously have never truly lived in 0.0:
1. How do capital ships get into friendly station systems that are cyno jammed if we can't use a jb?
2. Why do you think having a JB highway is wrong? We took a lot of time and effort to build them so yes they should be slightly safer and tbh I have lost more ships from JB's then stargates.
3. WTF are you smoking and can I have some.

Anyway good job at losing yet another subscriber (and my 4 other accounts ) You have (or are) totally destroying the only aspect of this game I truly enjoyed and I have been here from the start. Thanks CCP for being total douche bags.

Was words:
If it isn't broken don't fix it
1: Cyno jammers can be turned on and off.
2: There is nothing wrong with having a JB highway, they will still be significantly safer than gate to gate travel to your destination. The element of risk has been increased slightly as the whole route can't be JB to JB now. You might have to jump through a single gate somewhere in your trip as opposed to 10 without the JB's.
3: None of your business, and NO! Smile

See you next time around, sorry your primary pleasure in game was traveling by jump bridge.

Vaju Katru
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:17:00 - [1717]
 

Originally by: Feyleaf
Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:59:13
A single line comment like that is fine but not worthy of respect, go enjoy your griefing persona in-game its fun fun.
but its basically the standard troll for any such discussion in here atleast come up with something new?..


You shouldn't post in this forums then. You are the standard carebear troll, always trolling when something changes ingame that messes with "carebearinness". You bring nothing new to the discussion, you are selfish and you don't see the big picture of the EvE Universe.

Basically you are just providing tears and treats of quitting EvE, just quit already or stop posting BS.

Rumpelstilski
Caldari
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:18:00 - [1718]
 

Edited by: Rumpelstilski on 11/05/2011 22:18:26
Originally by: Ranger 1
I agree with this. It would add depth to the game if industrial giants that lacked PVP experience (rather than sheer numbers) could flex their economic muscles a bit more directly to bring pressure to bear on PVP centric entities.

Who knows, perhaps this will spark the return of the large Merc outfits that could be hired to do that very thing.

Contact Shamis Orzoz regarding future contracts, tia

Originally by: Steel Dragon
This just shows how ******ed the team looking into 0.0 space really is. A few questions for the fools that obviously have never truly lived in 0.0:
1. How do capital ships get into friendly station systems that are cyno jammed if we can't use a jb?
2. Why do you think having a JB highway is wrong? We took a lot of time and effort to build them so yes they should be slightly safer and tbh I have lost more ships from JB's then stargates.
3. WTF are you smoking and can I have some.


1. contact your in-alliance comrad and cycle jammer, form convoys to protect against drops, make a team effort and be better for it
2. having a jb highway is awesome, that is why you get to keep it according to the devblog so you can be slightly safer
3. sorry


EDIT: ****, beaten

Feyleaf
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:20:00 - [1719]
 

Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 22:23:14
Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 22:20:37
Originally by: Vaju Katru
Originally by: Feyleaf
Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:59:13
A single line comment like that is fine but not worthy of respect, go enjoy your griefing persona in-game its fun fun.
but its basically the standard troll for any such discussion in here atleast come up with something new?..


You shouldn't post in this forums then. You are the standard carebear troll, always trolling when something changes ingame that messes with "carebearinness". You bring nothing new to the discussion, you are selfish and you don't see the big picture of the EvE Universe.

Basically you are just providing tears and treats of quitting EvE, just quit already or stop posting BS.


And you are basically a standard anti-"carebear"(whatever) troll.. whats ur point.
you do know your game would suck if all the 0.0 "carebears" left right?

Nah not gonna cancel all my eve accounts yet.. im an optimist at heart.

TradingTooth
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:21:00 - [1720]
 

Originally by: Feyleaf
Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 22:20:37
Originally by: Vaju Katru
Originally by: Feyleaf
Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:59:13
A single line comment like that is fine but not worthy of respect, go enjoy your griefing persona in-game its fun fun.
but its basically the standard troll for any such discussion in here atleast come up with something new?..


You shouldn't post in this forums then. You are the standard carebear troll, always trolling when something changes ingame that messes with "carebearinness". You bring nothing new to the discussion, you are selfish and you don't see the big picture of the EvE Universe.

Basically you are just providing tears and treats of quitting EvE, just quit already or stop posting BS.


And you are basically a standard anti-"carebear"(whatever) troll.. whats ur point.


You're both trolls trolling about trolling?

Feyleaf
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:24:00 - [1721]
 

Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 22:31:40
Originally by: TradingTooth
Originally by: Feyleaf
Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 22:20:37
Originally by: Vaju Katru
Originally by: Feyleaf
Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:59:13
A single line comment like that is fine but not worthy of respect, go enjoy your griefing persona in-game its fun fun.
but its basically the standard troll for any such discussion in here atleast come up with something new?..


You shouldn't post in this forums then. You are the standard carebear troll, always trolling when something changes ingame that messes with "carebearinness". You bring nothing new to the discussion, you are selfish and you don't see the big picture of the EvE Universe.

Basically you are just providing tears and treats of quitting EvE, just quit already or stop posting BS.


And you are basically a standard anti-"carebear"(whatever) troll.. whats ur point.


You're both trolls trolling about trolling?


lol maybeEmbarassed its something to do while being blueballed by ruskies+pets
and I honestly care about this game.
Also i find it amusing that a big part of the anti-"carebears" in here would basically have no game without the "carebears" Laughing

ChaoticDemon
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:28:00 - [1722]
 

So will capital ships be able to use gates in 0.0 since can no longer use jb's to get into jammed systems? Or at least gates where you have sov?

Nalle Bear
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:32:00 - [1723]
 

Nicely done ccp you change the rules for the worse for us who live in not the nice 0.0 space.
May consider taking a summer break from eve and hope that more people do it so your money runs dry .. and you hire an employee in the sense ccp

Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:34:00 - [1724]
 

Edited by: Miso Hawnee on 11/05/2011 22:40:45
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Sidus Sarmiang
Edited by: Sidus Sarmiang on 11/05/2011 22:05:03
One of the biggest issues I see is that it's very easy for "elite PvP" types to attack sov-holders, but there's no mechanism for sov holders to hit them back in a meaningful way beyond trying to kill their supercaps (which are a major balance issue in and of themselves). If anything, that needs a look and some serious fixing.





I agree with this. It would add depth to the game if industrial giants that lacked PVP experience (rather than sheer numbers) could flex their economic muscles a bit more directly to bring pressure to bear on PVP centric entities.

Who knows, perhaps this will spark the return of the large Merc outfits that could be hired to do that very thing.


PVP entities typically have no persistent infrastructure in game. Pandemic Legion for example has no presence once they log off, yet they have the second largest Capital Fleet in the game. All of which exists with absolutely nothing to defend. How epic is warfare when entire super fleets can disappear in 15 minutes. How are you supposed to combat entities that are 100% offense and by the graces of bad game design are not required to even set up the most basic of forward operating bases.

What we have is the ability to wield the power of super fleets without the requirement to have a port. Seems a bit off balance doesn't it?

Tommy Blue
Black Lance
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:41:00 - [1725]
 

Why not just move them to Planets and give them a few gate guns (upgradeable perhaps, based on sov/station in sys/whatever?) and call it a day?

mindblow
Rionnag Alba
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:41:00 - [1726]
 

Edited by: mindblow on 11/05/2011 22:43:04
THIS.. IS.. SPARTA!!!..erm WIN!!

I totally agree of this. This is the 1st time I totally agree with CCP's way of thinking. +1, keep up the awesome work!

Alaren Planeswalker
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:41:00 - [1727]
 

Empire sucked, I moved out to null-sec. Don't make me move back CCP. I thought I loved your game, with its brutal learning curve and huge amount of player influence on the world. You're not keeping up the romance with these changes.

Post anom nerf, DRF now controls all the best tru-sec regions. Wanted your slice of the RMT money pie huh CCP?

It'll be interesting which groups benefit from these new changes.


Stop nerfing null-sec, and add some new features. All you're doing is forcing people back into empire. You're not blizzard. You don't have 10 million player + base where you can afford to **** off a few.

Messy Beaver
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:43:00 - [1728]
 

Originally by: Steel Dragon
This just shows how ******ed the team looking into 0.0 space really is. A few questions for the fools that obviously have never truly lived in 0.0:
1. How do capital ships get into friendly station systems that are cyno jammed if we can't use a jb?
2. Why do you think having a JB highway is wrong? We took a lot of time and effort to build them so yes they should be slightly safer and tbh I have lost more ships from JB's then stargates.
3. WTF are you smoking and can I have some.

Anyway good job at losing yet another subscriber (and my 4 other accounts ) You have (or are) totally destroying the only aspect of this game I truly enjoyed and I have been here from the start. Thanks CCP for being total douche bags.

Was words:
If it isn't broken don't fix it

1) If you can't defend against what comes through when you offline that cyno jammer to let in your caps i'm afraid that jammer is only delaying the inevitable.
2)The reason you die less on gates and more at JB's is because your JB highway allows you to bypass most of those gates. Now imagine how many times you would have died at gates without them.

Why should you have the advantage of having situational control over any roaming gangs that enter your space without skill or tactical prowess getting you that advantage. You already have the advantage of reshipping, free repair, having intel channels warning of the fleet entering your space, etc etc.

3) I have some pills that give soothing and relaxing effect, I'd be happy to pass you some because boy do you need them.

Good ruidance tbh, when the changes brought to the game were to the detriment of the small roaming gang, the NC and friends said HTFU adapt or GTFO. We adapted now it's your turn, except the changes proposed to your way of playing arent all that severe.

I'll add you to my contact list because I suspect you'll still be here come the day that CCP really does **** this game up beyond repair.

Megy Feel
V.L.A.S.T.
V.L.A.S.T
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:43:00 - [1729]
 

I was slightly worried when i started playing Eve in the late 2007 and checked the forums for the 1st time. People claiming they are quiting Eve with thier 10s of accounts and i was like "WHY THE **** DID I START PLAYING THIS GAME"... but then couple of months passed and Eve was still running, and then couple of years passed and Eve's subscribes tripled.

So my point is:

You are not unsubing fast enoughWink

Tommy Blue
Black Lance
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:46:00 - [1730]
 

Originally by: Miso Hawnee
What we have is the ability to wield the power of super fleets without the requirement to have a port. Seems a bit off balance doesn't it?


Its called a staging pos. Kill all of their staging posses, and they will go away.

Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:52:00 - [1731]
 

Edited by: Miso Hawnee on 11/05/2011 22:54:39
Originally by: Tommy Blue
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
What we have is the ability to wield the power of super fleets without the requirement to have a port. Seems a bit off balance doesn't it?


Its called a staging pos. Kill all of their staging posses, and they will go away.


So the Titans and Nyx that did drive bys in P-2 for over a month had a staging pos? No they had a cloaking device and then logged off. Supers don't need a POS to stage in, they simply need their own account and they can use the log on / log off mechanics as a form of invulnerability. There is no counter offensive to this. The aggressor gets to dictate all the terms, and the defensive potentials in this game have become increasingly impotent over the cycles of design.

Megy Feel
V.L.A.S.T.
V.L.A.S.T
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:58:00 - [1732]
 

Quote:
So the Titans and Nyx that did drive bys in P-2 for over a month had a staging pos? No they had a cloaking device and then logged off. Supers don't need a POS to stage in, they simply need their own account and they can use the log on / log off mechanics as a form of invulnerability. There is no counter offensive to this. The aggressor gets to dictate all the terms, and the defensive potentials in this game have become increasingly impotent over the cycles of design.


Titan drive bys and cloaking device doesn't mix very well mate...

Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.05.11 23:04:00 - [1733]
 

Originally by: Megy Feel
Quote:
So the Titans and Nyx that did drive bys in P-2 for over a month had a staging pos? No they had a cloaking device and then logged off. Supers don't need a POS to stage in, they simply need their own account and they can use the log on / log off mechanics as a form of invulnerability. There is no counter offensive to this. The aggressor gets to dictate all the terms, and the defensive potentials in this game have become increasingly impotent over the cycles of design.


Titan drive bys and cloaking device doesn't mix very well mate...


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7148623

O'rlly

David Carel
Caldari
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.05.11 23:04:00 - [1734]
 

Originally by: Steel Dragon
This just shows how ******ed the team looking into 0.0 space really is. A few questions for the fools that obviously have never truly lived in 0.0:
1. How do capital ships get into friendly station systems that are cyno jammed if we can't use a jb?
2. Why do you think having a JB highway is wrong? We took a lot of time and effort to build them so yes they should be slightly safer and tbh I have lost more ships from JB's then stargates.
3. WTF are you smoking and can I have some.

Anyway good job at losing yet another subscriber (and my 4 other accounts ) You have (or are) totally destroying the only aspect of this game I truly enjoyed and I have been here from the start. Thanks CCP for being total douche bags.

Was words:
If it isn't broken don't fix it


u mad bro?

Metlec
Posted - 2011.05.11 23:05:00 - [1735]
 

OMG u are making 0.0 harder to live in like the old days. This is an outrage!!!11

Man up.

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.05.11 23:08:00 - [1736]
 

Originally by: Miso Hawnee
Edited by: Miso Hawnee on 11/05/2011 22:54:39
Originally by: Tommy Blue
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
What we have is the ability to wield the power of super fleets without the requirement to have a port. Seems a bit off balance doesn't it?


Its called a staging pos. Kill all of their staging posses, and they will go away.


So the Titans and Nyx that did drive bys in P-2 for over a month had a staging pos? No they had a cloaking device and then logged off. Supers don't need a POS to stage in, they simply need their own account and they can use the log on / log off mechanics as a form of invulnerability. There is no counter offensive to this. The aggressor gets to dictate all the terms, and the defensive potentials in this game have become increasingly impotent over the cycles of design.


If your going to start crying about super capitals now then I suggest you give a look at my two proposals here and here.

Simple changes that will put them at greaters risk for the lazy.

Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.05.11 23:12:00 - [1737]
 

Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
Edited by: Miso Hawnee on 11/05/2011 22:54:39
Originally by: Tommy Blue
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
What we have is the ability to wield the power of super fleets without the requirement to have a port. Seems a bit off balance doesn't it?


Its called a staging pos. Kill all of their staging posses, and they will go away.


So the Titans and Nyx that did drive bys in P-2 for over a month had a staging pos? No they had a cloaking device and then logged off. Supers don't need a POS to stage in, they simply need their own account and they can use the log on / log off mechanics as a form of invulnerability. There is no counter offensive to this. The aggressor gets to dictate all the terms, and the defensive potentials in this game have become increasingly impotent over the cycles of design.


If your going to start crying about super capitals now then I suggest you give a look at my two proposals here and here.

Simple changes that will put them at greaters risk for the lazy.


That is a good start, but it doesn't touch the problem of buffer tank loggoffski. There was an aeon with that nyx that lived. Logged off with smart bombs hot for 15 minutes (killing silly frigates lol) before disappearing in half armor.

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.05.11 23:13:00 - [1738]
 

Originally by: Steel Dragon
1. How do capital ships get into friendly station systems that are cyno jammed if we can't use a jb?


Turn off the cyno jammer.

Originally by: Steel Dragon
2. Why do you think having a JB highway is wrong? We took a lot of time and effort to build them so yes they should be slightly safer and tbh I have lost more ships from JB's then stargates.


That is because with the current JB network, when do you ever need to use a gate?

Originally by: Steel Dragon
If it isn't broken don't fix it


But it is broken.

Megy Feel
V.L.A.S.T.
V.L.A.S.T
Posted - 2011.05.11 23:15:00 - [1739]
 

Edited by: Megy Feel on 11/05/2011 23:21:17
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
Originally by: Megy Feel
Quote:
So the Titans and Nyx that did drive bys in P-2 for over a month had a staging pos? No they had a cloaking device and then logged off. Supers don't need a POS to stage in, they simply need their own account and they can use the log on / log off mechanics as a form of invulnerability. There is no counter offensive to this. The aggressor gets to dictate all the terms, and the defensive potentials in this game have become increasingly impotent over the cycles of design.


Titan drive bys and cloaking device doesn't mix very well mate...


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7148623

O'rlly


Nyx isn't titan mate, and yes Linkage Rly

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.05.11 23:17:00 - [1740]
 

Originally by: Miso Hawnee
That is a good start, but it doesn't touch the problem of buffer tank loggoffski. There was an aeon with that nyx that lived. Logged off with smart bombs hot for 15 minutes (killing silly frigates lol) before disappearing in half armor.


I hate the 15 minute timer too. It is a dumb mechanic. I am of the belief that the timer should start from the last player agression, logged on or not, before it disappear.

On a side note... LOL @ said frigates who continued to Leroy into smartbombs for 15 minutes!!!


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