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ReddSky
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:30:00 - [1681]
 

Great job CCP Very Happy
JB travel in 0.0 is way too safe, and force projection half way across EvE is way too easy with current JB mechanics.

Please ignore the tears in this thread and follow through with this change. This is a positive change that enhances 0.0 game play.

I would also suggest for 0.0 systems a timed delay (session time) before anyone shows up in local.

0.0 should have risks.
CCP, stick to your guns, ignore the QQ Evil or Very Mad

Komen
Gallente
Capital Enrichment Services
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:31:00 - [1682]
 

Originally by: Miso Hawnee
So clearly CCP are the biggest greifers.

Why do you pay $14.99 a month to be terrorized?

Devs have stated before that they want you to feel stress an misery when logging into eve. Why pay for something I can get for free everyday in rush hour traffic? Entertainment failure at the highest level.

Battlefield 3 this fall. Epic fights without lag, dev corruption or ham fisted game design. It might not have a pretty barbie creator but it should have balanced game play.

Also, your money won't be going to cosplay vampire ***s. That fact alone is enough to stop feeding C C P.

How many of you are still in null-sec because of the game play?

How many of you are still around because you don't want to abandon you E-buddies to this hopeless creation called Eve?

Get an out of game forum and take you e-buddies to a pasture that doesn't lower your sperm count.

Crowd Control Productions. Don't be their cattle.


You first.

Iece Quaan
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:35:00 - [1683]
 

Originally by: ReddSky
Great job CCP Very Happy
JB travel in 0.0 is way too safe, and force projection half way across EvE is way too easy with current JB mechanics.

Please ignore the tears in this thread and follow through with this change. This is a positive change that enhances 0.0 game play.

I would also suggest for 0.0 systems a timed delay (session time) before anyone shows up in local.

0.0 should have risks.
CCP, stick to your guns, ignore the QQ Evil or Very Mad


Sure, except for the part where it doesn't do anything to force projection issues because no changes are being made to jump drives, jump clones, or pod jumping. Hint: if you have subcaps at your destination, you don't need to move them there.

Baron Munchousen
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:35:00 - [1684]
 

Pure genius, well done, this action looks to penalise existing long term customers.

I believe you could consider an opposite action.

Perhaps players can build and control Jump-Bridges, anchored at planets, as stations are.

A good system may contain many Jumb-Bridges, but no defence POS in range.

This would create many logistical Hot-Spots, and encourage strategic domination of systems in nul-sec.

And the gates would have to be defended by gangs, with no gun support

Taipion
Caldari
Operations Control
United Pod Service
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:41:00 - [1685]
 

Building up things that provide convenience IS nice, JBs were that way!

Besides its not realistic... oh wait, in a game were you can go 10.000 times the speed of light, but only slightly faster than a good car when not in warp, and where space is considered a fluid-drag-medium...

Anyway, the glorious end justifies the means, still this "fix" says "we dont care enuff to really do something good, take this instead".



CCP, you are disassembling things that were good, instead of changing/tweaking them, this could, but most importantly should have been done BETTER!

Feyleaf
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:46:00 - [1686]
 

I already cancelled an alt i was training up for fun =)
1 cancelled alt account = 1 vote.

Its not because of the jumpbridge changes as such, but the 7day(lol) warning of this major 0.0 change,
that its in the middle of a large conflict and basically helps one side and screws the other.. thats not sandbox.
my problem is ccp now making sudden changes with basically no warning (tho its a safe bet that some ppl know in advance)
to "rock the boat" or "keep it fresh" .. no more long term projects in 0.0 anymore.. not worth it.. ccp will just **** it up in a patch if you are too succesfull..

Still havent got any usefull ansfer from Soundwave to most of questions asked here, just bull**** and vague hints of... whatever.

Im not gonna blabber much about ccp being biased coz you destroyed their cheaty pet alliance BoB/IT, taking bribes from rmt's.. I think ppl who have played eve for a bit knows that ccp is not beyond stuff like this.. last time they only really cared about damage control, and hurting the whistleblowers.

Vaju Katru
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:49:00 - [1687]
 

Originally by: Miso Hawnee
So clearly CCP are the biggest greifers.

Why do you pay $14.99 a month to be terrorized?

Devs have stated before that they want you to feel stress an misery when logging into eve. Why pay for something I can get for free everyday in rush hour traffic? Entertainment failure at the highest level.

Battlefield 3 this fall. Epic fights without lag, dev corruption or ham fisted game design. It might not have a pretty barbie creator but it should have balanced game play.

Also, your money won't be going to cosplay vampire ***s. That fact alone is enough to stop feeding C C P.

How many of you are still in null-sec because of the game play?

How many of you are still around because you don't want to abandon you E-buddies to this hopeless creation called Eve?

Get an out of game forum and take you e-buddies to a pasture that doesn't lower your sperm count.

Crowd Control Productions. Don't be their cattle.


EvE Online is not the game for you, what you don't enjoy in this game, is what everone else loves.

Go play a solo game, or some *****fied carebear heaven MMO like WoW.

Feyleaf
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:53:00 - [1688]
 

Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 20:55:44
Originally by: Vaju Katru
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
So clearly CCP are the biggest greifers.

Why do you pay $14.99 a month to be terrorized?

Devs have stated before that they want you to feel stress an misery when logging into eve. Why pay for something I can get for free everyday in rush hour traffic? Entertainment failure at the highest level.

Battlefield 3 this fall. Epic fights without lag, dev corruption or ham fisted game design. It might not have a pretty barbie creator but it should have balanced game play.

Also, your money won't be going to cosplay vampire ***s. That fact alone is enough to stop feeding C C P.

How many of you are still in null-sec because of the game play?

How many of you are still around because you don't want to abandon you E-buddies to this hopeless creation called Eve?

Get an out of game forum and take you e-buddies to a pasture that doesn't lower your sperm count.

Crowd Control Productions. Don't be their cattle.


EvE Online is not the game for casual allround players, what you don't enjoy in this game, is what I enjoy, and thats all this is ever about.

fixed? ¨^

we dont really need all these miners and pve players in our deathmatch arena?

Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:55:00 - [1689]
 

Originally by: Vaju Katru
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
So clearly CCP are the biggest greifers.

Why do you pay $14.99 a month to be terrorized?

Devs have stated before that they want you to feel stress an misery when logging into eve. Why pay for something I can get for free everyday in rush hour traffic? Entertainment failure at the highest level.

Battlefield 3 this fall. Epic fights without lag, dev corruption or ham fisted game design. It might not have a pretty barbie creator but it should have balanced game play.

Also, your money won't be going to cosplay vampire ***s. That fact alone is enough to stop feeding C C P.

How many of you are still in null-sec because of the game play?

How many of you are still around because you don't want to abandon you E-buddies to this hopeless creation called Eve?

Get an out of game forum and take you e-buddies to a pasture that doesn't lower your sperm count.

Crowd Control Productions. Don't be their cattle.


EvE Online is not the game for you, what you don't enjoy in this game, is what everone else loves.

Go play a solo game, or some *****fied carebear heaven MMO like WoW.


I guess I forget that some people enjoy pulling the legs off a spider. and **** WoW.

Eve was the first time I tried a subscription based game, at it was because there was no other space game out there.
It has only confirmed my previous opinion of the general stock of MMO populations. Misery loves company, no?

Digital Heroism is a pretty lol concept. I'll go play ice hockey with actual people in the flesh. You can have your pussified digital delusions of grandeur and relevance.

Major Stallion
The Money Shot Inc.
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:55:00 - [1690]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
The CSM have gotten the first peek at a highlevel direction for 0.0, and they seemed pleased.

To clarify, CSM has been presented with some high-level "principles, rules and guidelines" that any nullsec iteration should adhere to, and they seem reasonable -- in fact, I would encourage CCP to publish them in a devblog ASAP for discussion.

However, this presentation does not include any details -- even on the most global level -- on how these guidelines will actually be achieved. We look forward to seeing those, because as we all know, the Twisted Evil is in the details.


reposting this for the people who are crying that CCP didnt run this by CSM :D

Feyleaf
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:59:00 - [1691]
 

Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 20:59:44
Originally by: Major Stallion
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
The CSM have gotten the first peek at a highlevel direction for 0.0, and they seemed pleased.

To clarify, CSM has been presented with some high-level "principles, rules and guidelines" that any nullsec iteration should adhere to, and they seem reasonable -- in fact, I would encourage CCP to publish them in a devblog ASAP for discussion.

However, this presentation does not include any details -- even on the most global level -- on how these guidelines will actually be achieved. We look forward to seeing those, because as we all know, the Twisted Evil is in the details.


reposting this for the people who are crying that CCP didnt run this by CSM :D


CSM was a publicity stunt.. always was always will be.. nothing more.

Lt banaan
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:00:00 - [1692]
 

Its funny that in every topic about 0.0 its all NC haters vs DRF mabo jambo.

0.0 sucks and its just getting whorse and whorse with all the ccp tweaking. People posting of the nc and dc hating this might think again when the roles are reversed and when you are under siege and seeing 0.0 get nerfed more and more.

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:01:00 - [1693]
 

Originally by: Major Stallion
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
The CSM have gotten the first peek at a highlevel direction for 0.0, and they seemed pleased.

To clarify, CSM has been presented with some high-level "principles, rules and guidelines" that any nullsec iteration should adhere to, and they seem reasonable -- in fact, I would encourage CCP to publish them in a devblog ASAP for discussion.

However, this presentation does not include any details -- even on the most global level -- on how these guidelines will actually be achieved. We look forward to seeing those, because as we all know, the Twisted Evil is in the details.


reposting this for the people who are crying that CCP didnt run this by CSM :D

1. This was the previous CSM, with only one member of a sov holding alliance.
2. Trebor clearly says that all they saw was goals, not any information about how CCP was planning to achieve those goals.

Justice Starcatcher
Volatile Nature
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:03:00 - [1694]
 

Originally by: Baron Munchousen
I believe you could consider an opposite action.

Perhaps players can build and control Jump-Bridges, anchored at planets, as stations are.

A good system may contain many Jumb-Bridges, but no defence POS in range.

This would create many logistical Hot-Spots, and encourage strategic domination of systems in nul-sec.

And the gates would have to be defended by gangs, with no gun support



Some infomration in the noise! Call them “un-authorized gates,” give them the same restrictions as gates, make them vulnerable to attack or capture-able. I would add that they are not able to link regions. But, it seems like a nice compromise creates interaction and lets us control our environment.

Feyleaf
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:06:00 - [1695]
 

Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:16:57
Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:13:42
Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:09:46
Originally by: Lt banaan
Its funny that in every topic about 0.0 its all NC haters vs DRF mabo jambo.

0.0 sucks and its just getting whorse and whorse with all the ccp tweaking. People posting of the nc and dc hating this might think again when the roles are reversed and when you are under siege and seeing 0.0 get nerfed more and more.


Luckily cluster**** entities dont mind moving to a new place when ccp screws the current place we live over.
many of us are doing lvl4 pirate missions again.. until ccp finds out that we do them and nerf that too.
Seems we are just to friendly to each other to be allowed in 0.0? after all you cant be friends in eve..
its against the entire idea of eve? you have to atleast **** you friends over for profit if not for lolz sometimes.
This being friends just becoz we are friends seem to be destroying ccp's vision for eve?

I did enjoy all the whine from the crowd who has too short attention span's for sov and logistics.. and thus dont reap the rewards. =)
I feel sad that 0.0 is gonna be as empty as it used to be soon.
Im not really affected much by this.. gonna cost me some more jump fuel then I usually use Cool.

Neni
Inside out.
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:08:00 - [1696]
 

Shocked

*heads back to empire

Bryan Havoc
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:13:00 - [1697]
 

Edited by: Bryan Havoc on 11/05/2011 21:13:04
Originally by: Feyleaf
Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:09:46

Luckily cluster**** entities dont mind moving to a new place when ccp screws the current place we live over.
many of us are doing lvl4 pirate missions again.. until ccp finds out that we do them and nerf that too.
Seems we are just to friendly to each other to be allowed in 0.0? after all you cant be friends in eve..
its against the entire idea of eve? you have to atleast **** you friends over for profit if not for lolz sometimes.
This being friends just becoz we are friends seem to be destroying ccp's vision for eve?

I do enjoy all the whine from the crowd with too short attention span's for sov logistics.. and thus dont reap the rewards. =)
I feel sad that 0.0 is gonna be as empty as it used to be soon.



Whines like this are why I play eve.

Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:15:00 - [1698]
 

Edited by: Miso Hawnee on 11/05/2011 21:18:18
Originally by: Bryan Havoc
Edited by: Bryan Havoc on 11/05/2011 21:13:04
Originally by: Feyleaf
Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:09:46

Luckily cluster**** entities dont mind moving to a new place when ccp screws the current place we live over.
many of us are doing lvl4 pirate missions again.. until ccp finds out that we do them and nerf that too.
Seems we are just to friendly to each other to be allowed in 0.0? after all you cant be friends in eve..
its against the entire idea of eve? you have to atleast **** you friends over for profit if not for lolz sometimes.
This being friends just becoz we are friends seem to be destroying ccp's vision for eve?

I do enjoy all the whine from the crowd with too short attention span's for sov logistics.. and thus dont reap the rewards. =)
I feel sad that 0.0 is gonna be as empty as it used to be soon.



Whines like this are why I play eve.


Is your real life so miserable and desolate that you have to feed on others misfortune to feel complete? You sir are a sad little man.

Feyleaf
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:19:00 - [1699]
 

Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:20:14
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
Originally by: Bryan Havoc
Edited by: Bryan Havoc on 11/05/2011 21:13:04
Originally by: Feyleaf
Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:09:46

Luckily cluster**** entities dont mind moving to a new place when ccp screws the current place we live over.
many of us are doing lvl4 pirate missions again.. until ccp finds out that we do them and nerf that too.
Seems we are just to friendly to each other to be allowed in 0.0? after all you cant be friends in eve..
its against the entire idea of eve? you have to atleast **** you friends over for profit if not for lolz sometimes.
This being friends just becoz we are friends seem to be destroying ccp's vision for eve?

I do enjoy all the whine from the crowd with too short attention span's for sov logistics.. and thus dont reap the rewards. =)
I feel sad that 0.0 is gonna be as empty as it used to be soon.



Whines like this are why I play eve.


Is you real life so miserable and desolate that you have to feed on others misfortune to feel complete? You sir are a sad little man.


my thoughts exactly, i dont usually bother with "simple" trolls but my thoughts exactly Laughing

cyclone71
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:25:00 - [1700]
 

i think the limiting of Jump briges is goin to far. the larger fuel bay is fine but limiting to keeps caps out is no good that is how capatals get in to staion systems. cause staoin systems should be cyno jamed to keep enemy caps out but i would also like ccp to repeel the new way ratting systems are ut to gether the -0.9 systems are uslay in the open and some regions hve none of them at all that is just goin to force more people back to high sec. i want it to go back to the way it was when ur miltary lvlis wat desided wat kind of anoms u got

lett erika
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:33:00 - [1701]
 

Is 0.0 industry currently geared to support the population living there?

No most indy guys need at least 15 to 50 PvP guys guarding them at all times.

Is the relationship between 0.0 and empire balanced well enough?

No jita is the olny place with a good market now days.

Does the current sovereignty system meet our goals?

Yeah if you fix the bugs with the lag and the Ihubs not accepting upgrades and that is not to menchon the Ihubs that accept the upgrade then it still dose not work.

Are there enough incentives for conflict/pvp outside sov?

When is the last time some one saw SOV as a reason to stay out of that system?

Are we happy with movement/player interaction?

Hellllll no! As there are players that still exzist just to kill others just for an easy kill. and others that take on defencless targets like the frieghters and rorqualls.

Carcusian
Global Criminal Countdown
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:35:00 - [1702]
 

Originally by: Bagehi
It only looks instant to people who are horrible at Eve and don't have spies.


fleet formation =/= fleet travel time to dest

also spies are a metagame; jumbridges are not

I think your fail logic is what's horrible, here. Very Happy

Feyleaf
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:40:00 - [1703]
 

Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:46:45
Originally by: Kalissa
All these tears do indeed make my day, all the crying about having to take risks and how smaller alliances will be hit when actually since smaller alliances own less space and have less JB's they will be hit less. Life out in 0.0 is supposed to be risky, for too long people have had it too easy.

Yes there will be gatecamps, so bloody well deal with it thats what PVP is about and in the end PVP is what makes EVE tick without that everything falls apart for everyone.

I personally will be hit by this moving around won't be as convenient or risk free as it is now but as I've said in a previous post this idea is well overdue, good on you CCP!

(And looking back at previous posts it does seem like most of the bleating is coming from the NC doesn't it? That gives me a nice warm feeling inside Wink)


I can understand that you are happy.. with ccp's help you might actually have a slightly better chance in the ungoing conflict =)
how many rubles does a dev cost? Shocked
Sad to see one of my favorite games get perverted like this.. but it is just a game and its summer outside Very Happy
That gives me a warm feeling inside <3

Alexander Knott
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:47:00 - [1704]
 

Originally by: lett erika
Hellllll no! As there are players that still exzist just to kill others just for an easy kill. and others that take on defencless targets like the frieghters and rorqualls.

Linkage

Feyleaf
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:49:00 - [1705]
 

Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:49:46
Originally by: Alexander Knott
Originally by: lett erika
Hellllll no! As there are players that still exzist just to kill others just for an easy kill. and others that take on defencless targets like the frieghters and rorqualls.

Linkage


Im all for ganking soft targets.. i might even come to like the jb changes..
I dont like ccp make sudden shuffles to 0.0 landscape just to "shake things up" or whatever.
Takes the control of 0.0 out of player hands, thats bad.


Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:50:00 - [1706]
 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 11/05/2011 21:51:16
Originally by: Feyleaf
Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:20:14
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
Originally by: Bryan Havoc
Edited by: Bryan Havoc on 11/05/2011 21:13:04
Originally by: Feyleaf
Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:09:46

Luckily cluster**** entities dont mind moving to a new place when ccp screws the current place we live over.
many of us are doing lvl4 pirate missions again.. until ccp finds out that we do them and nerf that too.
Seems we are just to friendly to each other to be allowed in 0.0? after all you cant be friends in eve..
its against the entire idea of eve? you have to atleast **** you friends over for profit if not for lolz sometimes.
This being friends just becoz we are friends seem to be destroying ccp's vision for eve?

I do enjoy all the whine from the crowd with too short attention span's for sov logistics.. and thus dont reap the rewards. =)
I feel sad that 0.0 is gonna be as empty as it used to be soon.



Whines like this are why I play eve.


Is you real life so miserable and desolate that you have to feed on others misfortune to feel complete? You sir are a sad little man.


my thoughts exactly, i dont usually bother with "simple" trolls but my thoughts exactly Laughing


Interesting. So by your definition the person that is enjoying the game in a light hearted and jovial manner is "miserable, desolate, and sad".

However the people that are reacting to a minor nerf in the current ease of transportation in null sec with hysteria, exhortations for people to rage quit, and over-the-top condescension towards anyone that suggests you calm down (alternated with the occasional "It won't affect me much anyway" attention diverter) are the mature, well balanced members of our gaming community.

Lets just leave this with the thought that your comments are being received with all the respect they deserve by your fellow gamers.

Barry Niven
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:58:00 - [1707]
 

Page 57 seems far too late to come to this and get a response, but I'd be curious some answers from CCP on the following topics:

How do you want the losec experience to differ from the nullsec experience?
SOV claiming and holding is a lot of work and a lot of expense, what types of benefits should SOV holders have?
Given those goals, what metrics have you put in place to judge whether or not the changes you are making are in line with your goals?

Thanks in advance for any insight here.

Feyleaf
Posted - 2011.05.11 21:58:00 - [1708]
 

Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 22:03:03
Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:59:13
A single line comment like that is fine but not worthy of respect, go enjoy your griefing persona in-game its fun fun.
but its basically the standard troll for any such discussion in here atleast come up with something new?..
Unless hes roleplaying his persona on the forum i have no doubt who has the healthier outlook on life.:D

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:02:00 - [1709]
 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 11/05/2011 22:04:12
Originally by: Feyleaf
Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:59:13
A single line comment like that is fine but not worthy of respect, go enjoy your griefing persona in-game its fun fun.
but its basically the standard troll for any such discussion in here atleast come up with something new?..


Just to be perfectly clear, I wasn't simply refering to that last comment, but rather the entire series of rants the two of you have made throughout the course of this thread... regardless of the sincerity or eloquence of the opposing point of view.

Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe
Posted - 2011.05.11 22:04:00 - [1710]
 

Edited by: Sidus Sarmiang on 11/05/2011 22:05:03
One of the biggest issues I see is that it's very easy for "elite PvP" types to attack sov-holders, but there's no mechanism for sov holders to hit them back in a meaningful way beyond trying to kill their supercaps (which are a major balance issue in and of themselves). If anything, that needs a look and some serious fixing.




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