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Alayla Nightfall
Posted - 2011.05.11 18:58:00 - [1651]
 

Edited by: Alayla Nightfall on 11/05/2011 18:59:09
Some massively long paragraphed posts above, ugh, way too much to read.

These changes will durastically and dramatically slow the movement in 0.0, logistically. Oh well however, I have too many bookmarks anyway.

Cellistara
Posted - 2011.05.11 18:59:00 - [1652]
 

Originally by: Liosa Rearl
...

What happened to the breed of tough players that used to take whatever it was EvE threw at them and survive. It's kind of sad that so many people right now are whining so hard about something that isn't as bad as they project it to be. All the problems they complain about can easily be solved by more manpower in the right places. More industrialists. More miners. With sufficient self production a proper military is always feasible.

Last 3 years seem to seem to have given birth to a whole new breed of whining players. I've done my fair share of fueling poses and bashing them even when we had to fly 20-40 jumps to do it with escorts. It's a damn harsh universe and eve has gotten soft. Freaking unicorns with rainbows.

Welcome to EvE poofies. Go back to Hisec or die fighting for your home.

Liosa Rearl


P.S Use your damn mains instead of hiding behind "corpless" alts. It makes your "grievances" more weighty instead of reminding everyone about the Goon-alt posters.


It's really almost impossible to be self sufficient in null sec, thats why importing is so big, sure mine your megacyte, but trit? Forget it, never going to happen, you could strip a system of all the trit containing rocks and you might get enough for a battleship, though it would take 20 or 30 miners all damn day to do it. I know, I've run the fleets. There just aren't enough of all the resources.

Dodgy Past
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:01:00 - [1653]
 

Edited by: Dodgy Past on 11/05/2011 19:03:46
Edited by: Dodgy Past on 11/05/2011 19:03:17
Originally by: Bagehi
Your days in PL have made you soft. Perhaps you forgot what it was like for an alliance to not be comprised of people who all own at least one cap or super.

Nope, I still remember camping NPC stations, collecting hauler spawns for the corp ship replacement program, building my own battlecruisers from reprocessed rat loot, rigging them from salvage, probing wormhole chains to empire, ratting in fleets when cloaky neuts were there and camping any reds that dared to come into our pocket.

But then when I went to null I was told I'd have to earn access to my space and keep earning it day in day out, not promised that I'd be 100% safe ratting my heart out and sucking on the teat of Jita to buy every shiny toy my heart desired.

Sino Sarn
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:04:00 - [1654]
 

Originally by: Dodgy Past
Edited by: Dodgy Past on 11/05/2011 17:47:40
Originally by: Bagehi
Big fleets aren't instant. They take several days notice and several hours to form. They also don't get from point A to B all that fast. If they are going across the map, that is usually a multi-day affair simply because everyone isn't online at the same time, so multiple smaller fleets have to form and move individually. It only looks instant to people who are horrible at Eve and don't have spies. The "omg, this fleet just showed up out of no where!!!11" crowd will still complain about "instant fleets" without JBs.
Really. Shocked

Maybe you should focus on being less awful at the game.

The issue is that NC is terrible, because the alliances in it are terrible, because the corps in them are terrible because they allow an terrible trash members in.

Sadly there is this culture that numbers are everything and everyone of those people is a delicate flower that has to be praised like a spoilt child just for turning up to a CTA.

Why should CCP ruin the game for everyone else just to cater to pacifistic self entitled trash.


You seem mad. Are you mad?

Seriously though, some of us are unable to be 23/7 neckbearded eleet pvpeers. So we, you know, work together and organize to counteract everyone else who is better than us.

I thought this was what CCP wanted? Player interaction. Instead, it seems they are just catering to a specific crowd.

So tell us, how much of 0.0 will RUS have to decimate before a nerf is devised specifically for them?

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:08:00 - [1655]
 

Originally by: Cellistara
Originally by: Liosa Rearl
...

What happened to the breed of tough players that used to take whatever it was EvE threw at them and survive. It's kind of sad that so many people right now are whining so hard about something that isn't as bad as they project it to be. All the problems they complain about can easily be solved by more manpower in the right places. More industrialists. More miners. With sufficient self production a proper military is always feasible.

Last 3 years seem to seem to have given birth to a whole new breed of whining players. I've done my fair share of fueling poses and bashing them even when we had to fly 20-40 jumps to do it with escorts. It's a damn harsh universe and eve has gotten soft. Freaking unicorns with rainbows.

Welcome to EvE poofies. Go back to Hisec or die fighting for your home.

Liosa Rearl


P.S Use your damn mains instead of hiding behind "corpless" alts. It makes your "grievances" more weighty instead of reminding everyone about the Goon-alt posters.


It's really almost impossible to be self sufficient in null sec, thats why importing is so big, sure mine your megacyte, but trit? Forget it, never going to happen, you could strip a system of all the trit containing rocks and you might get enough for a battleship, though it would take 20 or 30 miners all damn day to do it. I know, I've run the fleets. There just aren't enough of all the resources.


Good to see someone that understands the problem. There is not enough ore in 0.0 to sustain its combat, never has been and from the looks of it never will be. A simple reduction in the requirements to obtain and maintain industry index would help but could not fix the problem. More low end ores need to be seeded (that or recode the asteroids so they never really depelete like ice blocks....that is such massive rocks you could never mine all of them out.).


captain foivos
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:09:00 - [1656]
 

I'm noticing a trend here: the people who actually hold sov hate this update, whereas the people who live in NPC space and/or are in a corp that requires every member to own a supercapital like this update.

Hmm.

Liosa Rearl
Caldari
The Lost Legion
Bang Bang You're Dead
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:10:00 - [1657]
 

Originally by: Cellistara
Originally by: Liosa Rearl
...

What happened to the breed of tough players that used to take whatever it was EvE threw at them and survive. It's kind of sad that so many people right now are whining so hard about something that isn't as bad as they project it to be. All the problems they complain about can easily be solved by more manpower in the right places. More industrialists. More miners. With sufficient self production a proper military is always feasible.

Last 3 years seem to seem to have given birth to a whole new breed of whining players. I've done my fair share of fueling poses and bashing them even when we had to fly 20-40 jumps to do it with escorts. It's a damn harsh universe and eve has gotten soft. Freaking unicorns with rainbows.

Welcome to EvE poofies. Go back to Hisec or die fighting for your home.

Liosa Rearl


P.S Use your damn mains instead of hiding behind "corpless" alts. It makes your "grievances" more weighty instead of reminding everyone about the Goon-alt posters.


It's really almost impossible to be self sufficient in null sec, thats why importing is so big, sure mine your megacyte, but trit? Forget it, never going to happen, you could strip a system of all the trit containing rocks and you might get enough for a battleship, though it would take 20 or 30 miners all damn day to do it. I know, I've run the fleets. There just aren't enough of all the resources.


Well, i learned a long time ago that for every fighting man that is on the front line there are at least 15 men behind him providing support. Food, fuel, weapons, ammo, shelter.

It is why logistics are a pain and moving resources to and fro is a *****. I understand that with the reduction of jump bridges, logistics itself becomes an issue. All I'm saying is with dedicated individuals it can be done. Just that the ratters will have to pay more and the pvp pilots will have to contribute to the task in some way or the other.

Also, Someone has to mine the trit, or where did it all come from? =) Unless you combine all the reprocessed mins and hauler spawns in 8 years =D

Cheers
Liosa

Yeep
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:14:00 - [1658]
 

Originally by: Dodgy Past

But then when I went to null I was told I'd have to earn access to my space and keep earning it day in day out, not promised that I'd be 100% safe ratting my heart out and sucking on the teat of Jita to buy every shiny toy my heart desired.


I live in a house, if someone shows up with demolition equipment to knock it down I'll defend it. If a bunch of children with sticks start beating on my walls and demanding my house falls over I'm going to ignore them.

Vaju Katru
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:24:00 - [1659]
 

Edited by: Vaju Katru on 11/05/2011 19:24:38
Originally by: Yeep
Originally by: Dodgy Past

But then when I went to null I was told I'd have to earn access to my space and keep earning it day in day out, not promised that I'd be 100% safe ratting my heart out and sucking on the teat of Jita to buy every shiny toy my heart desired.


I live in a house, if someone shows up with demolition equipment to knock it down I'll defend it. If a bunch of children with sticks start beating on my walls and demanding my house falls over I'm going to ignore them.


You would use your real life jumpgate, go inside the toilet and flush it to get out of the house.

Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:29:00 - [1660]
 

Originally by: Ghurthe
Quote:

Exactly its about grief more then pvp for a large part of "pvp'ers"
while im not against griefing in eve the patch will not provide anymore actual smallgang-pvp only ganks primarily of newbieships.


Well yes, right now 0.0 alliances can't really be toppled by anything other than about 3 things.

1. Somebody clicking disband

2. Large numbers of super capitals destroying your ability to hold the space, with some sub caps to take out jammers.

3. Small demoralization of the alliance playerbase by hit and run tactics that are denied reprisal against.

Sooo for small gangs there IS no other way to mess with a large alliance other than to stick and move and cloak.


And why should a rag tag group of 20 guys even be relevant to a Super Alliance? Even Afghanistan needed the help of another super power to be relevant to the USSR.

Tommy Blue
Black Lance
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:29:00 - [1661]
 

You said that you are going to get the CSM to look at the changes in the pipeline. Did they get to look at these changes you are already committed to doing? I can't believe that Mittens or the rest of the CSM would agree with this.

Dodgy Past
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:31:00 - [1662]
 

Edited by: Dodgy Past on 11/05/2011 19:32:58
Originally by: Sino Sarn
Seriously though, some of us are unable to be 23/7 neckbearded eleet pvpeers. So we, you know, work together and organize to counteract everyone else who is better than us.
Keep telling yourself this if it makes you feel better, despite the fact it's completely untrue. I see this every day from the lazy spoilt brats who never do their homework but think they deserve good grades.

Tel'me Am Peur
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:32:00 - [1663]
 

Edited by: Tel''me Am Peur on 11/05/2011 19:32:34
You know CCP is doing it right when the stench of fear and urine pervades NC and Goon posting.

And i'm really amused by the terribad excuses some of you have concocted, for the rest of you who remember nullsec without the training wheels on, good for you. Please take some time to inform other, more cowardly, manbreasts that it is going to be ok.

qRTA Over
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:45:00 - [1664]
 

First good thing ccp done in last few years

Yeep
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:45:00 - [1665]
 

Originally by: Vaju Katru

You would use your real life jumpgate, go inside the toilet and flush it to get out of the house.


I guess I might if I knew what you meant.

Originally by: Tel'me Am Peur

And i'm really amused by the terribad excuses some of you have concocted, for the rest of you who remember nullsec without the training wheels on, good for you. Please take some time to inform other, more cowardly, manbreasts that it is going to be ok.


I remember nullsec without supercaps, cloaky interdiction nullified T3s and invincible dramiels too. Can we get rid of those or are you only in favour of a return to the 'good old days' when it doesn't affect you?

Cellistara
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:46:00 - [1666]
 

Originally by: Liosa Rearl
Originally by: Cellistara
Originally by: Liosa Rearl
...

What happened to the breed of tough players that used to take whatever it was EvE threw at them and survive. It's kind of sad that so many people right now are whining so hard about something that isn't as bad as they project it to be. All the problems they complain about can easily be solved by more manpower in the right places. More industrialists. More miners. With sufficient self production a proper military is always feasible.

Last 3 years seem to seem to have given birth to a whole new breed of whining players. I've done my fair share of fueling poses and bashing them even when we had to fly 20-40 jumps to do it with escorts. It's a damn harsh universe and eve has gotten soft. Freaking unicorns with rainbows.

Welcome to EvE poofies. Go back to Hisec or die fighting for your home.

Liosa Rearl


P.S Use your damn mains instead of hiding behind "corpless" alts. It makes your "grievances" more weighty instead of reminding everyone about the Goon-alt posters.


It's really almost impossible to be self sufficient in null sec, thats why importing is so big, sure mine your megacyte, but trit? Forget it, never going to happen, you could strip a system of all the trit containing rocks and you might get enough for a battleship, though it would take 20 or 30 miners all damn day to do it. I know, I've run the fleets. There just aren't enough of all the resources.


Well, i learned a long time ago that for every fighting man that is on the front line there are at least 15 men behind him providing support. Food, fuel, weapons, ammo, shelter.

It is why logistics are a pain and moving resources to and fro is a *****. I understand that with the reduction of jump bridges, logistics itself becomes an issue. All I'm saying is with dedicated individuals it can be done. Just that the ratters will have to pay more and the pvp pilots will have to contribute to the task in some way or the other.

Also, Someone has to mine the trit, or where did it all come from? =) Unless you combine all the reprocessed mins and hauler spawns in 8 years =D

Cheers
Liosa


The only way to efficiently get trit, mex, and pyer is to import it from high sec. Go to a belt in .5 and its omber and veld, or kern and veld, plus macrominers and botters bring in lots more than a regular human could. We cant go 24/7 on rocks for weeks at a time, would love to be able to, but I think I'd die like that starcraft kid did. we can get decent amounts of mids and highs, but since 90% of miners are new characters (10 mil sp or less at least in my experience) and can't do all that much. For the longest time I dedicated myself to nothing but mining, then I started production, saw it was impossible and just started importing everything. Now I just export megacyte and morphite and rat. Not that I make all that much from any of it.

Cellistara
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:49:00 - [1667]
 

Originally by: Tommy Blue
You said that you are going to get the CSM to look at the changes in the pipeline. Did they get to look at these changes you are already committed to doing? I can't believe that Mittens or the rest of the CSM would agree with this.


From what I gathered from Mittani's post, ccp said it was this or something even worse, they said they hated both but this was the least ****ty option. It was a choice between a little ****, and a lot of ****, they took the lesser evil.

Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:49:00 - [1668]
 

Originally by: IskPlease
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Needa3
Now put the jump bridges near a gate or on a planet instead of a pos so they cant go hide in the safety of a pos.


Still don't get why it is so hard to remove the damn things.

Before they were there every alliance managed to its logistics just fine. Now people don't even now how to fly through a gate. It seems like "jump bridge in game" = "no brains needed outside game"

If you ask me, those things should never have made it into the game anyway.



so, when do we get destructible stations or station ping pong? it is time Eve starts getting rid of the "easy mode"

Well then at least we can agree on removing unprobable ships from the game, no more easy mode.


No disagreement there. I'm pretty sure you'll get your wish too :)


Hide your tengus, hide your LP, coz they'r nerfin' everybody out here!


Negative, they still won't touch Th'uper Carriers. GUYS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TH'UPER!

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:52:00 - [1669]
 

Edited by: Bagehi on 11/05/2011 19:54:58
Originally by: Dodgy Past
Originally by: Sino Sarn
Seriously though, some of us are unable to be 23/7 neckbearded eleet pvpeers. So we, you know, work together and organize to counteract everyone else who is better than us.
Keep telling yourself this if it makes you feel better, despite the fact it's completely untrue. I see this every day from the lazy spoilt brats who never do their homework but think they deserve good grades.

I cause lazy people to quit. Works much better that way, because I don't have to deal with them or their parents. Hats off to you for being an educator. However, you have a skewed view of other players in internet spaceships. This isn't supposed to be a job.

Originally by: Yeep
I remember nullsec without supercaps, cloaky interdiction nullified T3s and invincible dramiels too. Can we get rid of those or are you only in favour of a return to the 'good old days' when it doesn't affect you?

+1 to this.

ma perke
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:56:00 - [1670]
 

ccp - how do you increase interaction this way?? you are bringing the game in midle ages, when it was not possible to travel since it was too dangerous.

this change is like removing airplanes because they reduce people contact, or remove internet because it reduces people contacts?!?!

preventing people from traveling arround means less contacts i.e. less player interaction, is it that difficult to see this??


Liosa Rearl
Caldari
The Lost Legion
Bang Bang You're Dead
Posted - 2011.05.11 19:57:00 - [1671]
 

Originally by: Cellistara
Originally by: Liosa Rearl
Originally by: Cellistara
Originally by: Liosa Rearl
...

What happened to the breed of tough players that used to take whatever it was EvE threw at them and survive. It's kind of sad that so many people right now are whining so hard about something that isn't as bad as they project it to be. All the problems they complain about can easily be solved by more manpower in the right places. More industrialists. More miners. With sufficient self production a proper military is always feasible.

Last 3 years seem to seem to have given birth to a whole new breed of whining players. I've done my fair share of fueling poses and bashing them even when we had to fly 20-40 jumps to do it with escorts. It's a damn harsh universe and eve has gotten soft. Freaking unicorns with rainbows.

Welcome to EvE poofies. Go back to Hisec or die fighting for your home.

Liosa Rearl


P.S Use your damn mains instead of hiding behind "corpless" alts. It makes your "grievances" more weighty instead of reminding everyone about the Goon-alt posters.


It's really almost impossible to be self sufficient in null sec, thats why importing is so big, sure mine your megacyte, but trit? Forget it, never going to happen, you could strip a system of all the trit containing rocks and you might get enough for a battleship, though it would take 20 or 30 miners all damn day to do it. I know, I've run the fleets. There just aren't enough of all the resources.


Well, i learned a long time ago that for every fighting man that is on the front line there are at least 15 men behind him providing support. Food, fuel, weapons, ammo, shelter.

It is why logistics are a pain and moving resources to and fro is a *****. I understand that with the reduction of jump bridges, logistics itself becomes an issue. All I'm saying is with dedicated individuals it can be done. Just that the ratters will have to pay more and the pvp pilots will have to contribute to the task in some way or the other.

Also, Someone has to mine the trit, or where did it all come from? =) Unless you combine all the reprocessed mins and hauler spawns in 8 years =D

Cheers
Liosa


The only way to efficiently get trit, mex, and pyer is to import it from high sec. Go to a belt in .5 and its omber and veld, or kern and veld, plus macrominers and botters bring in lots more than a regular human could. We cant go 24/7 on rocks for weeks at a time, would love to be able to, but I think I'd die like that starcraft kid did. we can get decent amounts of mids and highs, but since 90% of miners are new characters (10 mil sp or less at least in my experience) and can't do all that much. For the longest time I dedicated myself to nothing but mining, then I started production, saw it was impossible and just started importing everything. Now I just export megacyte and morphite and rat. Not that I make all that much from any of it.


I agree with you, mining for hours can get you killed and i'm a miner. T_T
I do the odd ratting now and then but the majority of my income comes from reprocessing materials and random mining of nice sites. I get stuck with kernite and plagio most of the time since i can't get high end ores in the npc space i'm in. The sadder part is there aren't even any lowsec ores where i am. We compensate by importing as well. Or just making our ratters salvage everything in sight =D

Naturally we can't sustain a 1000 man alliance but for now it's enough. And hauler spawns make a big difference on the trit/pye drops. I don't get rich doing it, but someone has to do it. T_T i really do find it funny to be mining veld in 00.

Brutious Burlious
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:00:00 - [1672]
 

I suppose JB's > RMT'rs

BIZZAROSTORMY
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:01:00 - [1673]
 

Edited by: BIZZAROSTORMY on 11/05/2011 20:02:49

Part one of CCp's plan plan to make people live in Empire was reduce player income, now part 2 has been communicated.

What will part three consist of?

Perhaps: "we feel player built stations are too safe so we are removing them and replacing them with space camels" ?

Or only allowing t1 ships in 0.0?

or limiting system numbers to 2 per system?

who knows what codology they'll come up with. But one thing is certain: if you put the time in to build it - CCP will come...and nerf it.


W3370Pi4
Lamb Federation Navy
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:08:00 - [1674]
 

le lol CSM is a big joke and if 0.0 is not good enough for industry why do you cut the supply routes ?

are you dumb ?

Elizabeth Cho
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:08:00 - [1675]
 

If you've ever played Sim City you'll know how you spend all your time building and tweaking things..but eventually it gets too much and you wonder what it would be like to let Godzilla loose on your creation..

I think the devs have got to that position with Eve.

Jack Abramof
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:11:00 - [1676]
 

Edited by: Jack Abramof on 11/05/2011 20:19:57

this is a good start, next should be delayed or no local at all in 0.0

there was a time where you had no freaking jump bridge, you had to move your stuff in 0.0 on your own, with an escort or a scout or build it at your loc with the right infrastucture behind, that how it should be.

Even if i already knew that, Im still absolutely amazed by the numbers of people living in 0.0 and who are afraid of using a gate without 20 of their mates behind their back.

Well Done , CCP !!!

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:18:00 - [1677]
 

Originally by: Jack Abramof
this is a good start, next should be delayed or no local at all in 0.0

there was a time where you had no freaking jump bridge, you had to move your stuff in 0.0 on your own or build it at your loc with the right infrastucture behind, that how it should be

And stuff didn't die as much because you would travel 40 jumps without seeing anyone. When a dreadnought died, it made the news feed. That was the Eve of back then. If you want that back, I guess I disagree with your view of the future of Eve.

P.S. Nice name.

Purrp Ledone
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:22:00 - [1678]
 

Originally by: Elizabeth Cho
If you've ever played Sim City you'll know how you spend all your time building and tweaking things..but eventually it gets too much and you wonder what it would be like to let Godzilla loose on your creation..

I think the devs have got to that position with Eve.


This is the best explanation of the changes I've read so far.

BIZZAROSTORMY
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:22:00 - [1679]
 

Originally by: Elizabeth Cho
If you've ever played Sim City you'll know how you spend all your time building and tweaking things..but eventually it gets too much and you wonder what it would be like to let Godzilla loose on your creation..

I think the devs have got to that position with Eve.


I think you might be on to something. Lets SQUISH all the people!

Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.05.11 20:27:00 - [1680]
 

So clearly CCP are the biggest greifers.

Why do you pay $14.99 a month to be terrorized?

Devs have stated before that they want you to feel stress an misery when logging into eve. Why pay for something I can get for free everyday in rush hour traffic? Entertainment failure at the highest level.

Battlefield 3 this fall. Epic fights without lag, dev corruption or ham fisted game design. It might not have a pretty barbie creator but it should have balanced game play.

Also, your money won't be going to cosplay vampire ***s. That fact alone is enough to stop feeding C C P.

How many of you are still in null-sec because of the game play?

How many of you are still around because you don't want to abandon you E-buddies to this hopeless creation called Eve?

Get an out of game forum and take you e-buddies to a pasture that doesn't lower your sperm count.

Crowd Control Productions. Don't be their cattle.


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