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Niraia
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.05.09 00:25:00 - [1]
 

Ghost Hunter has forcibly seized control of Shaktipat Revelators and has kicked my corporation; a founding member of the alliance with True Slave Foundations.

Given the manner in which this was handled, I assume that the creation fee will not be returned to me.

Zaratha Zarati will continue to serve Nation. I will personally correct the disharmony that Ghost Hunter has brought upon those he claims to serve.

Power corrupts, even when you're a slave.

Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr
House Kyriel Inc.
Posted - 2011.05.09 00:32:00 - [2]
 

This is perhaps the single good thing Ghost Hunter ever did, yet I can't decide if this is a bad thing for Sansha's Nation - and therefore a good thing for humanity - or if this is simply fat-triming, thus a good thing for Sansha's Nation and utimately a bad thing for the rest of us.

So much for "Unity".

Niraia
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.05.09 00:38:00 - [3]
 

To assist your decision making, Ghost Hunter has stated that his intention was to remove me from the alliance, rather than the entire corporation.

Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
Crimson Path
Posted - 2011.05.09 01:10:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Jesmine Kyriel


So much for "Unity".


As has been pointed out many times, we are not part of Nation proper. We have the same issues as other capsuleer organizations because we haven't been Integrated (though most of us wish otherwise).

This is an incredibly sad turn of events. Niraia, I will hold an assembly and decide what to do from here.

Crucifire
Securitas Protectorate
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.09 01:59:00 - [5]
 

Despite common belief, we are human too. Sometimes humans are greedy, spiteful, or swell a little too large with pride. And sometimes we simply **** up.

Being a capsuleer paramilitary organization, SHARE's internal political conflict will have no effect on Master Kuvakei's campaign. Every bit of support Sansha's Nation received from capsuleers is an added bonus to bringing the Master's vision of True Unity to realization. I want to stress that the efforts of every dedicated pilot serving Nation will continue unhindered.

Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.05.09 02:03:00 - [6]
 

Excellent news. I am tickled.

Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
Crimson Path
Posted - 2011.05.09 02:09:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Boma Airaken
Excellent news. I am tickled.

I am usually a very calm, rational person. But I'll put it like this: screw you, sir.

I have friends on both sides of this issue who are hurt deeply, and thus I am hurt. You may enjoy this pain simply because we support a different set of ideals than you. But whenever I hear of long-time friends being separated because of corp or alliance politics I sympathize, because it is often never the rank and file that have beef with each other, but rather it's the leadership's own issues that drive good friends apart. I think it's bull****.

Vincent Pryce
Gallente
Damnation Angels
Naraka.
Posted - 2011.05.09 02:16:00 - [8]
 

I guess unity didn't prevail. Laughing

Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
Crimson Path
Posted - 2011.05.09 02:20:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Vincent Pryce
I guess unity didn't prevail. Laughing

You are included in my above response to Boma, by the way.
We're human too, which is why we're not as united as Nation.

At this point, I wish Master Kuvakei would Integrate me. It's that bad. My faith in humans' ability to cohabitate is at an all time low.

Vincent Pryce
Gallente
Damnation Angels
Naraka.
Posted - 2011.05.09 02:30:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Rek Jaiga
Originally by: Vincent Pryce
I guess unity didn't prevail. Laughing

You are included in my above response to Boma, by the way.
We're human too, which is why we're not as united as Nation.

At this point, I wish Master Kuvakei would Integrate me. It's that bad. My faith in humans' ability to cohabitate is at an all time low.


I try to care, but seems all I can do is laugh.

Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
Crimson Path
Posted - 2011.05.09 02:34:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Vincent Pryce


I try to care, but seems all I can do is laugh.

*glares*
Do not become the subject of my anger. I have a surplus of the stuff at this moment.

Crucifire
Securitas Protectorate
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.09 02:40:00 - [12]
 

Yeah, Rek, I hear you.

I'm expecting a large influx of heroic rejoice to be held over the heads of both sides involved in SHARE's internal conflict from Nation's opponents, as if they somehow just won some sort of battle. I'll simply skip to my rebuttal: you guys had nothing to do with it, so don't go claiming any victories.

Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.05.09 02:42:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Boma Airaken on 09/05/2011 02:45:43
Originally by: Rek Jaiga
Originally by: Boma Airaken
Excellent news. I am tickled.

I am usually a very calm, rational person. But I'll put it like this: screw you, sir.

I have friends on both sides of this issue who are hurt deeply, and thus I am hurt. You may enjoy this pain simply because we support a different set of ideals than you. But whenever I hear of long-time friends being separated because of corp or alliance politics I sympathize, because it is often never the rank and file that have beef with each other, but rather it's the leadership's own issues that drive good friends apart. I think it's bull****.


You suppose that I of all people have not been there before? Shame on you. Welcome to your growing pains. This above all else should prove to you that there is not and never will be this utopian idea of unity, in practice. Nation failed before, it will fail again, as is evidenced by this very small cog in that machine experiencing failure.

Look at the state the Achur Seperatist movement is in and get back to me. The true test is whether or not you will persevere and NEVER give up no matter what.

Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
Crimson Path
Posted - 2011.05.09 02:54:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Boma Airaken

You suppose that I of all people have not been there before? Shame on you. Welcome to your growing pains. This above all else should prove to you that there is not and never will be this utopian idea of unity, in practice. Nation failed before, it will fail again, as is evidenced by this very small cog in that machine experiencing failure.

Look at the state the Achur Seperatist movement is in and get back to me. The true test is whether or not you will persevere and NEVER give up no matter what.

I do not mean to attack you personally. But at any rate.

We are not Nation. We are not a cog of Nation, or "puppets" of Master Kuvakei. We are simply supporters, and if anything it is because we have retained our humanity and we have failed that I am more inclined to support Nation than ever before. Yes, part of me wants to just give up and be on a "permanent opiate drip" (an allusion to a post in another thread). But the other, stronger part of me wants to be more zealous than an Amarrian Crusader.

Unity is achievable, but we must give up greed and corruption. This much has been revealed to me.

Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.05.09 03:11:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Rek Jaiga
Originally by: Boma Airaken

You suppose that I of all people have not been there before? Shame on you. Welcome to your growing pains. This above all else should prove to you that there is not and never will be this utopian idea of unity, in practice. Nation failed before, it will fail again, as is evidenced by this very small cog in that machine experiencing failure.

Look at the state the Achur Seperatist movement is in and get back to me. The true test is whether or not you will persevere and NEVER give up no matter what.

I do not mean to attack you personally. But at any rate.

We are not Nation. We are not a cog of Nation, or "puppets" of Master Kuvakei. We are simply supporters, and if anything it is because we have retained our humanity and we have failed that I am more inclined to support Nation than ever before. Yes, part of me wants to just give up and be on a "permanent opiate drip" (an allusion to a post in another thread). But the other, stronger part of me wants to be more zealous than an Amarrian Crusader.

Unity is achievable, but we must give up greed and corruption. This much has been revealed to me.


I am not greedy, nor am I corrupt. I suppose you could say that I am greedy because I place a value on my culture. Something Nation seeks to destroy. I do not think that my people need some sort of blissful integration to coexist peacefully with others. What you propose, and this still cannot be argued, is that you want me to give up my identity and become something else. Something incredibly happy and satisfied forever and ever. THAT is what sounds greedy to me.

Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
Crimson Path
Posted - 2011.05.09 03:15:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Boma Airaken


I am not greedy, nor am I corrupt. I suppose you could say that I am greedy because I place a value on my culture. Something Nation seeks to destroy. I do not think that my people need some sort of blissful integration to coexist peacefully with others. What you propose, and this still cannot be argued, is that you want me to give up my identity and become something else. Something incredibly happy and satisfied forever and ever. THAT is what sounds greedy to me.

I wasn't referring to your greed as much as I was the power politics that go on in alliance-level leadership.

In regards to Integration, is it not the goal or wishes of everyone to be happy? If one can give another happiness, is it not their duty to do so?

Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.05.09 03:25:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Rek Jaiga
Originally by: Boma Airaken


I am not greedy, nor am I corrupt. I suppose you could say that I am greedy because I place a value on my culture. Something Nation seeks to destroy. I do not think that my people need some sort of blissful integration to coexist peacefully with others. What you propose, and this still cannot be argued, is that you want me to give up my identity and become something else. Something incredibly happy and satisfied forever and ever. THAT is what sounds greedy to me.

I wasn't referring to your greed as much as I was the power politics that go on in alliance-level leadership.

In regards to Integration, is it not the goal or wishes of everyone to be happy? If one can give another happiness, is it not their duty to do so?


It is most definetly not their duty to make the decision for another. Do you know what would make me happy? Does Kuvakei? Do I? On a very simple spiritual and emotional level these are the questions Kuvakei has failed to answer. This is why Kuvakei's vision is so terrifying to most. Will I be happy? Maybe. Will I be genuinely happy? This is the big question. How can you or Kuvakei possibly know what will create a truly joyful, fulfilling life for me, a human individual? A unique soul. This, I believe is where you will always meet the harshest resistance.

It is just like the Achur not flocking to the movement in droves. They are scared. How can they know that my vision is best for them? How do they know the ethnic Caldari will not just bombard them into submission?

You and I are in the same business to an extent. We are both trying to take someones spiritual, emotional, and cultural currency in exchange for something they do not, and cannot assign a value to.


Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
Crimson Path
Posted - 2011.05.09 03:28:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Boma Airaken


It is most definetly not their duty to make the decision for another. Do you know what would make me happy? Does Kuvakei? Do I? On a very simple spiritual and emotional level these are the questions Kuvakei has failed to answer. This is why Kuvakei's vision is so terrifying to most. Will I be happy? Maybe. Will I be genuinely happy? This is the big question. How can you or Kuvakei possibly know what will create a truly joyful, fulfilling life for me, a human individual? A unique soul. This, I believe is where you will always meet the harshest resistance.

It is just like the Achur not flocking to the movement in droves. They are scared. How can they know that my vision is best for them? How do they know the ethnic Caldari will not just bombard them into submission?

You and I are in the same business to an extent. We are both trying to take someones spiritual, emotional, and cultural currency in exchange for something they do not, and cannot assign a value to.




The question of genuine happiness is concerning...

I've a lot on my mind and will probably re-read your words a few times. I'm not sure how all of this will turn out. I do not know if my face will be sour, bitter, or sweet after tasting the vinegar.

Chinwe Rhei
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2011.05.09 03:42:00 - [19]
 

Does this mean nation supporters have decided some things are more important than unity and a common purpose ?
You know you can't do this properly without a formal war declaration to settle once and for all who cares about universal harmony more.

Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
Crimson Path
Posted - 2011.05.09 03:43:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Chinwe Rhei
Does this mean nation supporters have decided some things are more important than unity and a common purpose ?
You know you can't do this properly without a formal war declaration to settle once and for all who cares about universal harmony more.

The irony definitely isn't lost on me...

snake driver
Amarr
Posted - 2011.05.09 04:23:00 - [21]
 

Huh. Looks like Ghost decided to go for quality over quantity and ditch the narcissistic child. Probably best for the cause - not sure if I consider that good news or bad.

Mizhara Del'thul
Minmatar
Lutinari Syndicate
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.05.09 05:11:00 - [22]
 

My my... maybe the Shaktipat might be seen in space once in a while then, instead of merely blustering and chestbeating on the IGS.
I'll look forwards to it. Ghost Hunter have of course always earned death... but this time death and a grin, I guess.

Markius TheShed
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.09 07:00:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul
My my... maybe the Shaktipat might be seen in space once in a while then, instead of merely blustering and chestbeating on the IGS.
I'll look forwards to it. Ghost Hunter have of course always earned death... but this time death and a grin, I guess.


I have seen them in space, but after my encountered with Niraia last night I'm not surprised she has been kicked from Shaktipat.

There is no honour amongst thieves and it seems amongst cyborg slaves there is even less, but I was a fool to expect anything less.

Niraia
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.05.09 07:08:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Markius TheShed
There is no honour amongst thieves and it seems amongst cyborg slaves there is even less, but I was a fool to expect anything less.


Mind if I use this in my autobiography? I'll compensate you with a shiny new Rifter ;)

Markius TheShed
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.09 07:22:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Niraia

Mind if I use this in my autobiography? I'll compensate you with a shiny new Rifter ;)


But it won't be my Rifter ;)

Crucifire
Securitas Protectorate
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.09 07:23:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: snake driver
Huh. Looks like Ghost decided to go for quality over quantity and ditch the narcissistic child. Probably best for the cause - not sure if I consider that good news or bad.

I don't think you realize how few of us there were beforehand.

Sorry about that Markius. If we get to cross paths again I'll let you fight me for your corpse.

Markius TheShed
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.09 07:35:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Crucifire

Sorry about that Markius. If we get to cross paths again I'll let you fight me for your corpse.


Nah keep it I've got Niraia's in a hanger somewhere they get a bit smelly after a while.

Niraia
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.05.09 08:28:00 - [28]
 

You need to keep them frozen to preserve both their body and virtue Sad

Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2011.05.09 09:13:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Niraia
You need to keep them frozen to preserve both their body and virtue Sad


This is why for the first time in my life I will congratulate Ghost on a job well done. You go ahead and stay classy Niraia.

Aodha Khan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.09 09:24:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Aodha Khan on 09/05/2011 09:25:45


Originally by: Rek Jaiga
I have friends on both sides of this issue who are hurt deeply, and thus I am hurt.


Aww poor emo Sansha drone. We feel sorry for you...Rolling Eyes

As for Zaratha Zarati. Looking at our intel records I would say you were removed due to you being a waste of space. I can admire a leader who takes action.


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