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Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.05.06 00:52:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
guys, i have a very important question pertinent to this thread

if a borg cube fought a star destroyer, which would win?


are we talkin about a normal star destroyer, or a super star destroyer?

Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2011.05.06 01:04:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Kuronaga
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
guys, i have a very important question pertinent to this thread

if a borg cube fought a star destroyer, which would win?


are we talkin about a normal star destroyer, or a super star destroyer?


a normal star destroyer

which one wins?

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.05.06 01:09:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Kuronaga
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
guys, i have a very important question pertinent to this thread

if a borg cube fought a star destroyer, which would win?


are we talkin about a normal star destroyer, or a super star destroyer?


a normal star destroyer

which one wins?

Seen as a normal star destroyer can't track a millenium falcon heading to the left a bit, I'm going for the borg cube thing.

Joe Phoenix
The Commonwealth Federation
Posted - 2011.05.06 01:13:00 - [34]
 

Yes you are completely right, they are the most powerful weapons out of all the weapons, but do the least damage?

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.05.06 01:15:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Kuronaga
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
guys, i have a very important question pertinent to this thread

if a borg cube fought a star destroyer, which would win?


are we talkin about a normal star destroyer, or a super star destroyer?


a normal star destroyer

which one wins?


All the star destroyer has going for it are its lasers, which I assume the borg would adapt to.

If it was a super star destroyer i would say the excessive mass and spear-like shape at least gives it the opportunity to ram the cube resulting in a double KO, but with a normal star destroyer I don't think this is a valid option.

nah, gonna have to say the cube takes it.

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.05.06 01:25:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Joe Phoenix
Yes you are completely right, they are the most powerful weapons out of all the weapons, but do the least damage?



Your single comment just completely de-legitamized my entire argument.

Thanks.

Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2011.05.06 01:25:00 - [37]
 

i figured the cube would win too

also the borg have transporters so they'd just beam over, assimilate the bridge crew, and vent the rest of the ship to space

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.05.06 01:35:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
i figured the cube would win too

also the borg have transporters so they'd just beam over, assimilate the bridge crew, and vent the rest of the ship to space


Yea, it's a pretty messed up advantage.

I think the real crunch comes when you put a sith lord on board the cube and see if he can solo it.

There's the issue of lightsabers being adapted to, but I don't think the borg adapt to lightning, exactly.

or failing that, getting choked.

Xavier Isaacson
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.05.06 01:36:00 - [39]
 

Snoopy, armed with a stick. /game

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.05.06 01:40:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Xavier Isaacson
Snoopy, armed with a stick. /game


I wonder about that.

Can dogs be assimilated?

Zaveed
Posted - 2011.05.06 02:24:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Kuronaga
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
guys, i have a very important question pertinent to this thread

if a borg cube fought a star destroyer, which would win?


are we talkin about a normal star destroyer, or a super star destroyer?


a normal star destroyer

which one wins?

Normal borg cube, tactical cube, fusion cube variants, or the Supercube?

Anyway, modern railguns also require a power generator the size of a large truck. Besides, it's a video game. Not reality. How else could you hear the sound of your ship exploding?

s666ss666ss666
Posted - 2011.05.06 02:37:00 - [42]
 

in-pod audio simulation for enhanced tactical awareness.

Rohnda
Posted - 2011.05.06 02:39:00 - [43]
 

Correct me if im wrong but , Dosent eve space simulate being submerged in water?

So that being given, since when did railguns become effective underwater?

Klymer
Posted - 2011.05.06 02:57:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Kuronaga


Antimatter shouldn't even be a damage type.



It's not a damage type, it's an ammo type, so your post doestmatter

Originally by: Chaos Incarnate

if a borg cube fought a star destroyer, which would win?



borg would have an edge until the Replicators showed up. The Replicators would eat the mechanical implants right off the Borg drones leaving useless chunks of flesh behind.

Originally by: Rohnda

Correct me if im wrong but , Dosent eve space simulate being submerged in water?

So that being given, since when did railguns become effective underwater?



The railguns became effective at the same time the autocannons and artillery did

Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
Posted - 2011.05.06 02:59:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Kuronaga
I'm pretty certain even in modern terms, modern railguns trump the hell out of your standard artillery load in terms of "bang".


Artillery still trumps railguns in terms of firing at will, firing more than one round during the lifetime of the weapon, being able to hit combat targets, and being ready to fire without two days of preparation. At this point in time, there are no known weaponised railguns on the planet. There have been plenty of experiments though, which have shown that the technology is about ten to twenty years away from being field-deployable.

So since EVE is hundreds of years in the future of man and railguns are only ten to twenty years away, we should of mastered the railgun tech by time we found the EVEGATE and flew millions of light years away from earth.

Rails and blasters should be more powerful than projectiles. They take massive amounts of cap, do two of the most heavily tanked damage types and have the biggest drawbacks for weapon class. They are also RAILGUNS!!!!! I don't know how many of you ever played BATTLETECH, but gauss rifles are basically the best weapon in that game as they should be. A rail gun is a gauss rifle, CCP needs to bring them back inline.

EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Posted - 2011.05.06 06:28:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
guys, i have a very important question pertinent to this thread

if a borg cube fought a star destroyer, which would win?


A shadow battlecrab would kill them both in one shot.

TImora Fosty
Warhamsters
Posted - 2011.05.06 06:31:00 - [47]
 

Kuronaga flies Rokh, that explains everything (=

Dorian Wylde
Posted - 2011.05.06 06:53:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Dorian Wylde on 06/05/2011 06:59:23
Originally by: Havak Kouvo


Why projectiles and railguns have anything less than infinite range.

And why my ship insist on "leveling" itself out when in space.


They do have infinite range. But beyond 2nd or 3rd falloff, it's damn near impossible to hit a moving target. Yes, theoretically that should mean you should get to shoot at stations from 250km away with any projectile weapon, but it's a game. Get over it.

Also pointing out that antimatter shells do not make sense, as the technology to keep antimatter suspended in that small a package would have to be much more advanced than anything we've seen.

Plus, there are no railguns in eve. They are coilguns.

Nikki Sanderson
Posted - 2011.05.06 07:17:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
i figured the cube would win too

also the borg have transporters so they'd just beam over, assimilate the bridge crew, and vent the rest of the ship to space

If by chance the star destroyer would neglect to have shields up, maybe. Also, the borg have never, ever displayed tactics like venting their enemies into space, why would they start when fighting a star destroyer?

Still, just take a look at official power levels of trek and wars ships and technology in the various canon sources and you'll see that wars level technology ****s trek technology, badly and without lube. I mean, boba fett's trashy little ship's reactor puts out more power than the freaking enterprise's. ugh

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.05.06 09:19:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Nikki Sanderson
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
i figured the cube would win too

also the borg have transporters so they'd just beam over, assimilate the bridge crew, and vent the rest of the ship to space

If by chance the star destroyer would neglect to have shields up, maybe. Also, the borg have never, ever displayed tactics like venting their enemies into space, why would they start when fighting a star destroyer?

Still, just take a look at official power levels of trek and wars ships and technology in the various canon sources and you'll see that wars level technology ****s trek technology, badly and without lube. I mean, boba fett's trashy little ship's reactor puts out more power than the freaking enterprise's. ugh

Oh dear god he's taking it seriously Laughing

Zofe Stormcaller
B4D W0LF
B4D W01F
Posted - 2011.05.06 09:45:00 - [51]
 

The borg cube would win but before it can dock, Pandemic Legion will spam it with invites so it can't dock, then warp a machariel to 0 on it through the station so it gets a 8000m/s bump away from the station. Then it gets hot dropped.

ChromeStriker
Posted - 2011.05.06 09:48:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: ChromeStriker on 06/05/2011 09:50:19
Think about it just a sec a 1400mm double barrel artillery cannon firing nuclear warheads x8.... not taking into account new materials n sci-fi techno amazingness... that many modern neuc's that size could quite happily reduce a county... let alone a tiny weeny ship!

As for rail weapons... well they’re solid slug kinetic weapons that will make a pretty big hole in pretty much anything. an antimatter slug would if anything make a smaller hole but pass through anything including small moons...

In space (not our fishbowl of eve) it wouldn’t be a far reach of the imagination that new propellants could get an artillery round going as fast as a rail round or at least close too. Of course rail weapons could prob get close to the speed of light with no friction and god knows what power system throwing the slugs.

To Conclude this is sci-fi we can travel faster that light and fit battleships in cruisers, weapon damage n all this stuff is *EASY* to explain away lol

edit: spellingsness

Radix Salvilines
legion industries ltd
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2011.05.06 09:52:00 - [53]
 

antimatter in slugs is contained in special magnetic vacuum filled space. And there is only a small amount of it.


It is sci-fi - and you may interpret it whatever you want it to.
One may also say that antimatter is being teleported from the firing ship to the slug when it hits the target... because why not?

We do not know what science will bring in 10, 50 years and eve is meant to be thousands of years away. Really someone may invent magic by then.

So just enjoy the game and remember it has nothing to do with RL :)

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.05.06 09:59:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Rohnda
Correct me if im wrong but , Dosent eve space simulate being submerged in water?

So that being given, since when did railguns become effective underwater?


Not exactly, the viscosity of space in EVE is about 30 weight motor oil based on calculations someone did years ago. So it is a liquid environment but a bit thicker than water.

On to the topic at hand, perhaps when your railgun takes damage the magnetic coils should explode to help simulate reality better......

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2011.05.06 10:00:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Zofe Stormcaller
The borg cube would win but before it can dock, Pandemic Legion will spam it with invites so it can't dock, then warp a machariel to 0 on it through the station so it gets a 8000m/s bump away from the station. Then it gets hot dropped.

QFT

Also, the payload from a 1400mm cal tactical nookalyr artillery round would explody more violently than the wee piece of antimatter you would be able to contain in a 425mm wide container. The AM round would probably cut through any armour, though.

Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr
Indicium Technologies
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.06 10:01:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Zofe Stormcaller
The borg cube would win but before it can dock, Pandemic Legion will spam it with invites so it can't dock, then warp a machariel to 0 on it through the station so it gets a 8000m/s bump away from the station. Then it gets hot dropped.


^^This.

Keiffo Jackson
Posted - 2011.05.06 10:49:00 - [57]
 

If you wanted to sell ammo would you name it ANTI-MATTER ROUNDS or can't quite destroy ships instantly rounds? They are just greedy for ISK. For all you know the rounds are full of compressed orange juice.

Peter Powers
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.05.06 11:19:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Peter Powers on 06/05/2011 11:21:21
Originally by: Kuronaga
I'm pretty certain even in modern terms, modern railguns trump the hell out of your standard artillery load in terms of "bang".


i think you are confusing two sorts of railguns there,
there is the wwii rail(waygun, which is basically a big artillery on rails - yeah much more bang than smaller artillery,

and then there is whats basically a gun that accelerates a conductive projectile along a pair of metal rails, a so called EMRG (electro magnetic rail gun).

Now the most effective EMRG prototype tested so far, and i wouldnt call a prototype a modern gun, a modern gun should be produced in series,
fired a 3kg projectile which had about the kinetic energy that a projectile fired from a regular leopard 2 tank has.
Now while the leo2 is an impressive tank and has an impressive gun, this is far from the output that a modern artiellery manages.


Originally by: Kuronaga

lasers kind of just have the lolscifi factor to them, realistic
application is sorta gimped unless you count setting lifeboats on fire as a major military achievement.


while it is a prototype with a very specific goal to achive,
the most powerfull laser so far has reached an energy output of 1.3 Petawatt in 1998 - trust me, a lifeboat is not the only thing that you could kill with that amount of energy.


Originally by: Kuronaga

How is it that minmatar crap tech is somehow more terrifying then a railgun firing ANTIMATTER?

I mean, no... you're doing it wrong.

The effects of antimatter are hardly researched nowadays, mostly because the quantities it can be produced, and the containment. Now the question is how much energy puts an eve railgun out?

and about the minmatar crap tech, minmatar can use nuclear ammo, and i believe their missiles mount nukes aswell.


and,
the most important reason for it all:
EVE is a game in a sci-fi setting, each race has their specialities, which makes for a balanced game.

Peter Powers
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.05.06 11:25:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
guys, i have a very important question pertinent to this thread

if a borg cube fought a star destroyer, which would win?

seeing at how federation science vessels have defeated the borg on numerous occasions (Enterprise, Voyager..) i assume its pretty safe to say that a war machine like a star destroyer would have the edge here. the question is more, are the opressed star destroyer crews smart enough to modify the phase variance??

Lost Greybeard
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.06 11:41:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Rohnda
So that being given, since when did railguns become effective underwater?


A railgun basically applies a simple magnetic force to accelerate a projectile, why would you think that being in water would prevent it from working? I mean, the real-life magnetic launchers work perfectly fine submerged in air.

The limitations on the accelerators have more to do with resistive heating and simple power demands than fluid resistance on the projectile, the power output is so massive that, frankly, supersonic output isn't a big deal.

(And eve physics doesn't really model water specifically, though you can view the applied drag forces as fluid resistance if you want -- the math works out the same for any number of different potential scientific or sci-fi drag forces, the magnitudes in this case being, frankly, effectively arbitrary.)


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