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Jon Taggart
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.05.05 01:47:00 - [1]
 

Saw this game released on Steam today, and it looks really cool. Here's a synopsis:

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Dwarfs!? offers an addictive, fast paced arcade-like experience, with plenty of difficulty levels and game modes to play, in the tradition of great games such as "Lemmings" and "Dwarf Fortress."

As the new overseer for your underground Dwarf base, your job is to manage the small colony and make it as rich as possible, before they meet their inevitable doom! To survive as long as possible, you’ll have to steer and guide your greedy little fellows to the richest points in the caves, while avoiding all the dangers – so they don’t end up destroying your Town Hall and its essential supply of beer.

They explore for you, they mine for you and they fight for you - but if you don't keep an eye on them, they'll do what they do best: die for you and take everyone else with them. But, if all else fails when the Spider Queen comes for you – use the Outpost’s Dwarf Cannon and shoot Dwarfs at her!

There are only 3 certainties in this world: death, taxes and that Dwarfs always dig too deep!


And a gameplay video - Linkage

Does Dwarf Fortress get an upgrade!? Eeeeeee!

Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.05.05 02:06:00 - [2]
 

I never could get into Dwarf fortress (of of my greatest regrets) Maybe this has promise...

Atra Hasis
Posted - 2011.05.05 03:59:00 - [3]
 

I believe the preferred term is 'little person'



Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2011.05.05 10:06:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 05/05/2011 10:06:05
looks like dwarf fortress without all the dwarf fortressy bits. Pale imitation.

Jon Taggart
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.05.05 12:40:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 05/05/2011 10:06:05
looks like dwarf fortress without all the dwarf fortressy bits. Pale imitation.


If it doesn't have Dwarf Fortress' downright terrible and clunky interface, then I'm game Very Happy.

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.05 13:47:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Jon Taggart
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 05/05/2011 10:06:05
looks like dwarf fortress without all the dwarf fortressy bits. Pale imitation.


If it doesn't have Dwarf Fortress' downright terrible and clunky interface, then I'm game Very Happy.


DF interface is a bit silly, but not that bad. After 1 day of fooling around I got the UI down, its actually very simple once you engage your gray matter. Intuitive? No. Impossible to get into unless you are a total geek? No. It is unusual, but you very quickly remember the key combinations, then it becomes a non issue. It could do with a lot of streamlining of course.

That said, do use a graphics pack, so the presentation becomes a bit esier.

I use this:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59026.0

with the Ironhand tileset loaded. Looks a whole lot better.

All in all DF is very rewarding to get into, if you like a bit of dwarf madness. You get some very fun stories and event out of it, and keeping your fort running while under attack form various beasts and evil civilisations can be fun. One of my first games has an event I will not forget "dwarf baby killed in a cloud of fire". Happend right after I kind of breached hell and all my dwarves ended up as piles of ash. :D

That said, it is not a casual game as such, some effort is needed to get teh UI at first, and games tend to run for a long time. But it is great fun, and the world is supprisingly detailed.

But this new game on steam? Its nothing like DF, at all. Only thing in common is dwarves and mining. This is a simple flash game. I am not sure why they even listed DF as their inspiration. My guess is a marketing gimick to draw in some DF players.

Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2011.05.05 15:12:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Jon Taggart
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 05/05/2011 10:06:05
looks like dwarf fortress without all the dwarf fortressy bits. Pale imitation.


If it doesn't have Dwarf Fortress' downright terrible and clunky interface, then I'm game Very Happy.


better a crappy interface than crappy gameplay Cool

looks like a waste of rlbuxx tbh, but have fun~

Jon Taggart
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.05.05 18:11:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Jon Taggart on 05/05/2011 18:12:07
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Jon Taggart
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 05/05/2011 10:06:05
looks like dwarf fortress without all the dwarf fortressy bits. Pale imitation.


If it doesn't have Dwarf Fortress' downright terrible and clunky interface, then I'm game Very Happy.


better a crappy interface than crappy gameplay Cool

looks like a waste of rlbuxx tbh, but have fun~

There is a demo if you wanted to try it Very Happy. The problem for me with Dwarf Fortress was that the crappy interface stood in the way of the non-crappy gameplay Crying or Very sad. It certainly wasn't impossible to overcome, but it definitely was a hassle.

I haven't purchased it yet, I just enjoy informing the public. Give it a shot!

Lance Fighter
Amarr
Posted - 2011.05.05 20:44:00 - [9]
 

Dwarf fortress is definitely one of those games whos learning curve dances with the y axis of a traditional Cartesian plane.

That said, at one point I did get a few forts to live 4-5 years, but usually at some point some random event happened and everyone died. :(

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.05 21:58:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Lance Fighter
Dwarf fortress is definitely one of those games whos learning curve dances with the y axis of a traditional Cartesian plane.

That said, at one point I did get a few forts to live 4-5 years, but usually at some point some random event happened and everyone died. :(


Indeed :D

Tho, more often then not its a failing of planning. I have had it happen to me lots of times. Alwasy some wierd thing I do. Sometimes you are just unlcuky tho.

I got a 10 year old fort now, and still going strong. Already a barony of my civilization, and I aiming for monarchy :).

Becoming self sufficient inside your fort, even with it seald up is key :D So making sure you got access to water, and some mushrooms and you are set. Baring any dwarves going insane and starting a tantrum spiral and it is all good. I have had 80 dwarves living sealed up for a 2 year long siege like this :D

Lance Fighter
Amarr
Posted - 2011.05.06 07:15:00 - [11]
 

Yeah, i generally get the whole self sufficient thing mostly good. The issue is somewhere between fell moods (wanting stupid stuff like bone or shells or hides).

Then, at some point i do something stupid like try to mine stuff, and find the caves, and something stupid like a single *little bitty monster* will tear my entire fortress apart

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.06 08:09:00 - [12]
 

I have had my fair share of "accidents" as well. Demons for instance can't take a joke, and my miners like standing in magma pools for too long.

But I have not had a fell mood dwarf yet. I just engrave my enitre large dining hall to make em all have happy thoughts. And if I do get a dwarf going berserk, I sick my militia on him. Not much he can do against my war hammers :P.

Aslo, I always use metal amror now. Leather is totally useless I discoverd :D

But generally, I tend to wall off the lower caverns untiel I am good and prepared to enter them. And I am very careful of caverns were teh exit is open out to map edge. Things tend to wander in from out there...

But, sooner or later, **** happens, then all the dwarves die :D

RedClaws
Amarr
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.05.06 08:57:00 - [13]
 

Dwarfs!? isn't much more than what the demo gives you. Just a few game modes missing. The only thing it has in common with dwarf fortress is digging dwarfs.

Imo not worth the 8$ since it's just a glorified flash game. No offense to the developers but it has barely any content.

If you haven't played dwarf fortress yet because of the interface but want to try it, then I really suggest watching the "Lazy Newb Pack Tutorial" (It's kind of long though)

This is the link to the lazy newb pack page: Linkage
Just click on "NEW: Feature Length Tutorial (2.5hr!)"

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.05.06 13:19:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 06/05/2011 13:19:14
Meh, pale imitation.

Dwarf Fortress is the best game EVAH.
Seriously, if he made it multithreaded so I would not suffer FPS-death eventually, I'd easily pay...well...whatever he wanted Razz
Just get the Lazy Newb Pack and strike the earth !

EDIT : I see someone beat me to it Embarassed

Lance Fighter
Amarr
Posted - 2011.05.07 04:36:00 - [15]
 

meh the lazy noob pack is nice and all. dwarf therapist doesnt seem to be up to date with the latest version of DF, and its a ***** figuring out what immigrants can do without it, let alone actually managing the dwarf jobs.. esp hauling and crap

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.05.07 10:38:00 - [16]
 

The Lazy Newb pack should be internally consistent, i.e. the Dwarf Therapist included in the package should be compatible with the DF version included.

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.08 14:37:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Lance Fighter
meh the lazy noob pack is nice and all. dwarf therapist doesnt seem to be up to date with the latest version of DF, and its a ***** figuring out what immigrants can do without it, let alone actually managing the dwarf jobs.. esp hauling and crap


Indeed. So I bascially just use lazy newb pack as my reference. And update DF whe nLNP updates ;) I also like sound sense that comes with it.


 

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