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t'raq mardon
Posted - 2011.05.04 00:55:00 - [1]
 

dear CCP,

Insurance needs to be fixed. you did a great job curtailing payouts buy setting it according to market value and making those values change periodically. now its time to fix the actual problem that encouraged you to do that. high sec ganking. Its really simple, if concord shoots you, you don't get an insurance payout.

Dont get me wrong, I'm all for highsec ganking. I love the fact that eve doesn't stop you from doing much of anything, it just gives you consequences for your actions. but its a little ridiculous when someone suicides a ship carrying hundreds of millions of isk and their insurance payout is higher than the person they killed.
Also, suicide gankers have next to nothing actually invested in the ships they use, hurricane with named arty and a couple dozen rounds of faction ammo, and they know with absolute certainty that they are going to loose their ship, yet they get the same payout as someone who has a T2 fitted cane and isn't
completely sure they will lose their ship before their insurance expires. how does that make sense to you?
You are basically allowing gankers to run an insurance scam, they just have to make sure that the ship they pop will make up the small difference in the ship cost with the loot they drop. something they are almost certain to get if they wait more than 15 min for in jita.

now please start crying about how thats not fair and you deserve to get insurance because im a care bear ect. we all know what your really saying, "im a suicide ganker and i dont want to have it actually cost me isk to suicide a ship"

P.S. All you acomplished by lowering insurance payouts for everyone was to make it harder for new players to be able to afford pvp ship. Pretty sure that is the opposite of what you claim to want.
MORONS!!!!!

Danika Princip
Minmatar
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.05.04 01:21:00 - [2]
 

Posting in an 'I got suicide ganked and now I'm going to cry about it' thread.

Dhaliparton
Posted - 2011.05.04 01:46:00 - [3]
 

um...CCP does not equal morons or you wouln't have anything to gripe about. IF they were morons there would be 0.0 space everywhere and you'd be playing uno with your grandma right now.

Corina's Bodyguard
Posted - 2011.05.04 02:07:00 - [4]
 

I don't even insure my ships anymore. Even the best insurance payout doesn't put a dent in the cost of my guns.


Zan Shiro
Posted - 2011.05.04 02:23:00 - [5]
 

must be new....prices on ships actually pretty damn good. Inty and af prices...friggin steals on those hull prices lol. Back in my day...I paid way more per inty loss, walking uphill...in 3 feet of snow...with no shoes lol.

But seriously, prices for lots of hulls much better these days.

Rat, fight die, rat fight die. Eve pvp in a nutshell...till you learn the ways of passive isk anyway lol.

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.05.04 05:25:00 - [6]
 

I'm all for removing insurance on the current piloted ship when one performs a criminal action.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.05.04 05:31:00 - [7]
 

Nah. Ganks are too rare these days and need to be encouraged even more.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.05.04 06:35:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: ShahFluffers on 04/05/2011 06:36:37
Originally by: t'raq mardon

Insurance needs to be fixed. you did a great job curtailing payouts buy setting it according to market value and making those values change periodically. now its time to fix the actual problem that encouraged you to do that. high sec ganking. Its really simple, if concord shoots you, you don't get an insurance payout.



This is actually incorrect. The REAL reason insurance was "nerfed" was because insurance payouts exceeded material and insuring costs combined.
Industrialists were the ones who especially abused this. They bought large amounts of cheap minerals, built ships, insured them, and then self-destructed them... earning a good amount of profit (if memory serves me right, the profit off of self-destructing Hyperions, Abaddons, and Rokhs was around 15 to 20 mil a pop).

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.05.04 08:55:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Danika Princip
Posting in an 'I got suicide ganked and now I'm going to cry about it' thread.

Aveneo
SkyNet Technologies Inc.
Posted - 2011.05.04 21:58:00 - [10]
 

"So, you robbed a bank and were chased across half the interstate while exchanging gunfire with the police. They managed to arrest you and now you want to know if your insurance policy covers the restoration costs for the bullet holes?"

ugh

Viewed in this scenario I agree. People that commit an illegal act and get shot down by CONCORD should not get freebies from their insurance company.

Wink

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.05.04 22:07:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Aveneo
"So, you robbed a bank and were chased across half the interstate while exchanging gunfire with the police. They managed to arrest you and now you want to know if your insurance policy covers the restoration costs for the bullet holes?"

ugh

Viewed in this scenario I agree. People that commit an illegal act and get shot down by CONCORD should not get freebies from their insurance company.

Wink

Yea because RL analogies and Eve, are always a win win scenario. Especially when it comes down to comparing insurance, amirite?

Goose99
Posted - 2011.05.05 00:18:00 - [12]
 

Whining aside, CCP is indeed moronic from a business point of view. As a rule, highsec carebears do quit after getting ganked, as opposed to null dwellers, who just whine. Every ganker is costing far more subscriptions than their own is worth. No other company running mmos would have allowed this.

Corina's Bodyguard
Posted - 2011.05.05 00:33:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Goose99
Whining aside, CCP is indeed moronic from a business point of view. As a rule, highsec carebears do quit after getting ganked, as opposed to null dwellers, who just whine. Every ganker is costing far more subscriptions than their own is worth. No other company running mmos would have allowed this.

I didn't quit when I got ganked. 3 days into the game, got my first realish ship (silly Navitas, looks like a fish) and boom at undock.

One year later, and I'm still here, and I'm still a high sec carebear.

Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
Posted - 2011.05.05 04:49:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Originally by: Goose99
Whining aside, CCP is indeed moronic from a business point of view. As a rule, highsec carebears do quit after getting ganked, as opposed to null dwellers, who just whine. Every ganker is costing far more subscriptions than their own is worth. No other company running mmos would have allowed this.

I didn't quit when I got ganked. 3 days into the game, got my first realish ship (silly Navitas, looks like a fish) and boom at undock.

One year later, and I'm still here, and I'm still a high sec carebear.


The funny thing about EvE, is no matter how many carebears who show up, play a few months, and find the forums to complain about how EvE will die if it doesn't give carebears more security, 8 years into the game we're still growing, still bringing and KEEPING players, no matter how many gankers and Goons and pirates and scams.

DetKhord Saisio
Caldari
Unchained Potential
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.08 19:46:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: t'raq mardon
dear CCP,

Insurance needs to be fixed. you did a great job curtailing payouts buy setting it according to market value and making those values change periodically. now its time to fix the actual problem that encouraged you to do that. high sec ganking. Its really simple, if concord shoots you, you don't get an insurance payout.

Dont get me wrong, I'm all for highsec ganking. I love the fact that eve doesn't stop you from doing much of anything, it just gives you consequences for your actions. but its a little ridiculous when someone suicides a ship carrying hundreds of millions of isk and their insurance payout is higher than the person they killed.
Also, suicide gankers have next to nothing actually invested in the ships they use, hurricane with named arty and a couple dozen rounds of faction ammo, and they know with absolute certainty that they are going to loose their ship, yet they get the same payout as someone who has a T2 fitted cane and isn't
completely sure they will lose their ship before their insurance expires. how does that make sense to you?
You are basically allowing gankers to run an insurance scam, they just have to make sure that the ship they pop will make up the small difference in the ship cost with the loot they drop. something they are almost certain to get if they wait more than 15 min for in jita.

now please start crying about how thats not fair and you deserve to get insurance because im a care bear ect. we all know what your really saying, "im a suicide ganker and i dont want to have it actually cost me isk to suicide a ship"

P.S. All you acomplished by lowering insurance payouts for everyone was to make it harder for new players to be able to afford pvp ship. Pretty sure that is the opposite of what you claim to want.
MORONS!!!!!
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