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C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.03 15:47:00 - [1]
 

Violent storms and tornadoes in the south-Midwestern and eastern United States have left many homeless and in desperate need. The EVE Online community have asked that for a PLEX drive to aid those suffering in the affected areas. Full details can be seen in CCP Fallout's Blog.

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2011.05.03 16:09:00 - [2]
 

o/\o

/c

Kristan Nvar
Posted - 2011.05.03 16:30:00 - [3]
 

The home county/town area my late parents grew up in was totaly wiped out in this storms in Northern Alabama.

The damage is just hard to describe the video's pictures do not do it justice.

Finally was able to go down yesterday I didn't recognize the town i spent most of my summers with my grandparents. Its totally gone. Any help will be greatly appreciated

Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.05.03 16:44:00 - [4]
 

Cheers for this CCP o/\o

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C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.05.03 17:04:00 - [5]
 

Trolling comments removed. This is not a discussion of the wealth of individual nations. People are homeless and in desperate need so please donate if you feel this is a cause you would like to support or do not. That is your choice.

Off topic, trolling and flaming replies will be dealt with harshly.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.05.03 17:06:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 03/05/2011 17:07:21
NM, already dealt with.

Cheers!

Gallic IronBorne
Caldari
Optsec Technology Corporation
Trade Wind Commodities
Posted - 2011.05.03 17:10:00 - [7]
 

Thank you EVE for helping American's in need ,,,,god nows we do it enough for every other country in the world and get **** on for it.

Once more thank you

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.03 18:14:00 - [8]
 

Thanks.

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.03 18:21:00 - [9]
 

as for the relitive welth of a country, that by and large is not relivant, the Red cross will respond to any event anywhere. And that is not cheep.

Zenst
Hall Of Flame
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2011.05.03 18:25:00 - [10]
 

Whilst I fully support this drive to help well deserving people of merica I'm again at somewhat of enpass as to why you constantly pick charities that have high operating costs and as such only yeild a small minute percentage of donations to the intended actions. IE American red Cross operate at around 97% meaning only 3% of donations get to those that realy need it, indeed the director of this organisation earns half a million a year and I for one will not support such ineffecient so called charities.

Please please please find a charity were the donation gets used to do good and not swallowed up in silly overheads.

Is there anybody in America who could put forward a better charity that will do more, I know the church's over there are more suited to helping those in need, can somebody suggest one so that CCP can listern and adress this oversight.

If anybody doubts what I'm saying then please look into it yourselfs, its a education you realy will be supprised at as it's true daly to say :(.

So please CCP pick a charity that operates for the cause and not as some sudo company to pay directors silly money like the American Red Cross does About The American Red Cross - FACTS. Once you know the facts you will see that the whole charity area is poluted with such operational systems and in many cases are just glorified employment companies first and actualy do good lastly.

I'm sure there must be some eve players that know somebody effected, If we were to donate to them then we would achieve more for the money and actualy see results, I know everybody who wants to give would rather that was the case.

lets help these people and not just send money and assume our work is done, lets find a way to release the money were it does the most effect and for that I'd say even any church would be better and I'm a athiest, but I know they do alot more in such times than any commercial charity ever does and they operate as a charity and not as some sudo company were directors and secretarys get paid bank level wages and bonus's.


Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.03 18:37:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Steve Thomas on 03/05/2011 18:39:23
Edited by: Steve Thomas on 03/05/2011 18:38:45
um dude, program expenses are everthing from the food kitchens, shelters and so on.

Administrative expenses Incudes everything from salaries and office space to the power bill.

In other words, your own total lack of comprehension just made you look. . . well. . .




Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.05.03 18:44:00 - [12]
 

I agree, program expencies, as defined in that same web site:

" Glossary

Program Expenses: This measure reflects what percent of its total budget a charity spends on the programs and services it exists to deliver."

And its 91.8% of the total.

And that $0.5 million salary is for someone administering a $3 billion a year organization, so its like 0.016%. With that much money being handled, Id want a good high skilled person too.

demonfurbie
Minmatar
Drunken Wookies
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.05.03 18:53:00 - [13]
 

yea its bad here

all the buildings are gone ... it even got the best buy (geek tears)

fyi you know you can run a laptop off a car battery and hook it up to a cell phone and play eve ...

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.05.03 18:53:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Zenst
Whilst I fully support this drive to help well deserving people of merica I'm again at somewhat of enpass as to why you constantly pick charities that have high operating costs and as such only yeild a small minute percentage of donations to the intended actions. IE American red Cross operate at around 97% meaning only 3% of donations get to those that realy need it, indeed the director of this organisation earns half a million a year and I for one will not support such ineffecient so called charities.

Please please please find a charity were the donation gets used to do good and not swallowed up in silly overheads.

Is there anybody in America who could put forward a better charity that will do more, I know the church's over there are more suited to helping those in need, can somebody suggest one so that CCP can listern and adress this oversight.

If anybody doubts what I'm saying then please look into it yourselfs, its a education you realy will be supprised at as it's true daly to say :(.

So please CCP pick a charity that operates for the cause and not as some sudo company to pay directors silly money like the American Red Cross does About The American Red Cross - FACTS. Once you know the facts you will see that the whole charity area is poluted with such operational systems and in many cases are just glorified employment companies first and actualy do good lastly.

I'm sure there must be some eve players that know somebody effected, If we were to donate to them then we would achieve more for the money and actualy see results, I know everybody who wants to give would rather that was the case.

lets help these people and not just send money and assume our work is done, lets find a way to release the money were it does the most effect and for that I'd say even any church would be better and I'm a athiest, but I know they do alot more in such times than any commercial charity ever does and they operate as a charity and not as some sudo company were directors and secretarys get paid bank level wages and bonus's.




I believe you just made a compelling argument in favor of the Red Cross.

Shyla Styles
Posted - 2011.05.03 18:54:00 - [15]
 

Please mind the language. Spitfire

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.03 18:58:00 - [16]
 

Incidentaly from that very websight the top recomended charitys for the charity relife in order
American Red Cross

Total Revenue $3,301,803,766
Name/Title/Compensation/% of Expenses
Gail J. McGovern/President, CEO /$446,867/ 0.01%

Other Salaries of Note
James Hrouda/EVP, Biomedical Services /$566,629/ 0.01%
Mary Elcano/General Counsel, Secretary /$480,880/ 0.01%



Direct Relief InternationalTotal Revenue$338,439,221 Thomas E. Tighe President, CEO $247,600 0.09%(note that this as a % of net revinue is a lot more than what the top 3 salaries at the ARC make COMBINED. . .

Heart to Heart International
Total Revenue$96,251,183
Jon North

Chief Executive Officer $89,427 0.10%

Matthew 25: Ministries
Rev.* Wendell E. Mettey President $68,362 0.06%

* some would have a specific objection to donating to a religion based ministry without knowing more about that particular ministers belifes

Samaritan's Purse
Total Revenue $310,859,899
W. Franklin Graham III President, CEO $473,440 0.15%

yet thoes are bascialy the "top references" for this disaster on there own page Found here

http://blog.charitynavigator.org/2011/04/us-tornado-disaster-relief.html


Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.03 19:05:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: demonfurbie
yea its bad here

all the buildings are gone ... it even got the best buy (geek tears)

fyi you know you can run a laptop off a car battery and hook it up to a cell phone and play eve ...
yep

Found that out durring Ike.

Also found out just how bad MREs are. I dont think I want to **** off anyone whos given a gun and thoes to eat.

Ashlar Maidstone
Amarr
Intergalactic Combined Technologies
The Chamber of Commerce
Posted - 2011.05.03 19:51:00 - [18]
 

THANK YOU CCP and the EVE Community!!

My area here in East Tennessee was hit really bad as well but we are in good hands here as relief efforts have been undergoing since last week. Please all let's help those in the hardest hit areas of Alabama and in the region.

Thank you!!

Ashlar Maidstone

Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.05.03 19:56:00 - [19]
 

Their God really does take Tuesdays off.

AusTerror
Posted - 2011.05.03 23:47:00 - [20]
 

Not trolling.

But what about Australia, Japan and New Zealand?

Japan I'm sure could use some donations.

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.05.03 23:57:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Steve Thomas on 03/05/2011 23:57:49
Originally by: AusTerror
Not trolling.
.
no because your trolling fell flat on its face

Quote:
PLEX for Good is an on-going charitable program initiated by the players of EVE Online. Past drives have assisted the victims of the Haiti earthquake and excessive flooding in Pakistan. Most recently, EVE Online players held a drive to assist those affected by the earthquake and tsunami that struck Japan. To date, EVE Online players have donated over $107,000 USD (over 6100 PLEX) to those in need via this program, with almost $155,000 USD being donated by EVE Online players to charity since 2004.

POS Trader
Posted - 2011.05.04 00:27:00 - [22]
 

As someone that has donated PLEXes in the past for at least 2 of these drives, I have a question.

Is CCP going to match these donations?

Currently, CCP is gaining PR and possibly tax breaks on this without actually "paying" anything. Basically money is funneled through the PLEX system, nothing more.

Generally, it is customary for the corporation that allows customers to donate to a cause to match donations.

I hope this is viewed as a challenge for CCP to match their customer's donations and not as some troll.

Evilan Altana
Moriar Libera
Posted - 2011.05.04 03:34:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: POS Trader
As someone that has donated PLEXes in the past for at least 2 of these drives, I have a question.

Is CCP going to match these donations?

Currently, CCP is gaining PR and possibly tax breaks on this without actually "paying" anything. Basically money is funneled through the PLEX system, nothing more.

Generally, it is customary for the corporation that allows customers to donate to a cause to match donations.

I hope this is viewed as a challenge for CCP to match their customer's donations and not as some troll.



Having already donated to at least 2 of these drives I would have expected a better understanding of what CCP does regarding the donations.

The cash value of donated PLEX is given in it entirety to whatever organization it is being donated to on behalf of the players.

CCP can not claim this as a tax write off because of who they say it is from, they have stated this previously, they also absorb all additional costs of organization and any kind of additional fees/tariffs/taxes.

They do receive PR.

As far as corporations matching donations, they tend to do it because the extra cost will be offset by the tax break they receive for their direct contribution and the additional claim they can make on their customers donations.
That is not to say this is always the main goal of the corporation, but for your every day corporate sponsored donations the tax break is the main incentive.

CCP receives none of that incentive and incurs a cost, which could be very small for all I know.


All that said however I would like to bring up the age old:

Any PLEX that have been destroyed should also be donated.

Essanym
Level Eight Technical Exterminations
Posted - 2011.05.04 05:48:00 - [24]
 

As a resident of North Alabama, I would like to thank CCP for doing this. Whether it be to the right or wrong charity... at least CCP cares enough about us southerners to put something together and help those in need. I personally didn't lose anything to the tornado except some food that couldn't be refrigerated. We didn't have power on at my house until 10pm last night, and some people still don't have power... and then there are those that don't have a house and I really feel bad for those families. Regarding the Red Cross, though my family did not require the resources of the Red Cross to get through this unfortunate event, I have needed them in the past. I was living in south Mississippi during Hurricane Katrina and the Red Cross kept us fed in addition to doing so many more helpful things for others in town. It's not all about who gets xxx amount of money for damages incurred... sometimes it's about a warm meal, a box of food, a blanket, clothing, someone to help you connect to loved ones, etc so as far as I'm concerned, CCP picked a good charity to donate to.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2011.05.04 06:24:00 - [25]
 

CCP isn't gaining any tax reduction or other financial profit from those charity drives, they said that already several times.

Also CCP is donating the money not as comming from CCP but on behalf of the EVE Community.

Svenjabi Xiang
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.05.04 12:03:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Svenjabi Xiang on 04/05/2011 12:04:12
From another of those whom live in the affected area of Alabama, I sincerely thank you for this effort. The damage was dreadful and my deepest sympathies to those whom have suffered loss. For individuals most severely affected though, this effort will help, and for that, again, I sincerely thank CCP Fallout, CCP Games, and the Eve-Online community.

Squanto
Amarr
BOAE INC
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2011.05.04 12:36:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Squanto on 04/05/2011 12:41:26
This is a good thing CCP, keep it up. My home and car was hit in Raleigh, NC. This house is the house directly across the street from me:House Across Street

The storm did about 80-100K of damage to my home and it picked up my car out of my driveway, split a telephone pole into 2 pieces and tossed it into my neighbor's garage. Thankfully, nobody on our street was hurt and 5 houses were destroyed. Oddly enough no other street in our development was damaged.
This is my car, picture #77:
My Car pic #77 in My neighbor's Driveway

These are images of the homes on my street: Serendipity Drive

Mike deVoid
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2011.05.04 12:51:00 - [28]
 

I have a question that isn't answered in the FAQ that was linked: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/PLEX_for_GOOD

Many countries around the world give companies tax relief for charitable donations. The UK rules (for example) though pretty modest - at most 500 deduction from gross profits before calculating tax.

Does Iceland give similar tax relief for charitable donations, do the PLEX for GOOD donation count under such a scheme and does CCP use them these donations for tax relief (no matter how small)?

Cheers!

SamuelK
Natural Selection.
Posted - 2011.05.04 14:38:00 - [29]
 

Wow.. I'm really thankful for CCP doing this. Thank you guys so much. A city just 30 miles south of where I live has been totally wiped off the map by the Mississippi River and over 3000 people have been displaced by it. The whole of the midwest and southern part of the US has been inundated by rain non-stop for the last three weeks. In my area alone near 18 inches of rain and we got it mild. Thank the maker that no tornado's have struck near here. Our infrastructure is taxed as it is, and that would only make a bad situation hell on Earth. My prayers go out to the people in the hardest hit area's and to all those effected by these storms. I live in the southern part of Illinois and have been spending a bit more time in my basement then I care for ducking from tornado warnings. Thank you CCP, and thank you gamers of EVE Online. This one brings it home for me.

o7

CCP Fallout

Posted - 2011.05.04 14:57:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Mike deVoid
I have a question that isn't answered in the FAQ that was linked: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/PLEX_for_GOOD

Many countries around the world give companies tax relief for charitable donations. The UK rules (for example) though pretty modest - at most 500 deduction from gross profits before calculating tax.

Does Iceland give similar tax relief for charitable donations, do the PLEX for GOOD donation count under such a scheme and does CCP use them these donations for tax relief (no matter how small)?

Cheers!


No. The donation is literally made in the name of the EVE Online Community and not CCP.


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