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Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.05.04 09:00:00 - [301]
 

I officially declare this thread super-duper-derailed.

My view : If you would kill all the relatives of Osama to the 3th degree, maybe their friends and pets as well, this assassination would be a bit more effective in dissuading terrorists. This of course is not going to happen, I'm just saying...
The world now is not much changed, but I am happy for the many Americans who finally have closure.

Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.05.04 12:02:00 - [302]
 

Originally by: Herr Wilkus
Never argued that he was a messiah. Just a sometimes entertaining and sometimes informative radio/TV host. He talks about issues that damage the socialist left. His shows draw an audience of millions, not because they are lunatics, but because they are interested in hearing a contrary voice that is critical of Obama's administration and his leftist policies.

I don't doubt that he is wrong sometimes - anyone who speaks without a script for three hours a day invariably will be. (Hell, Obama doesn't even open his mouth without his teleprompter at the ready - for fear of saying something uncomfortably revealing about his views.)

But when the press does little more than cheerlead, parrot White House talking points, and attack his opposition - of course people are going to look elsewhere for their information.

Hell - just look at the annual White House Correspondents' Dinner. Traditionally, the MC tells jokes, poking fun at the President and the press corps, in a generally tasteful manner.
Often, the President will poke fun at himself as well. GW Bush, in particular was savaged by Stephen Colbert - to the point of White House staff walking out.

Not with Obama, however. Since Obama started presiding, the event is entirely at the expense of Obama's political enemies - to the point of tastelessly implying racism (Trump, 2011), or openly wishing bodily harm on them (Limbaugh, 2009).

Even two years later, comedians STILL can't bring themselves to really tear into Obama.
That would take courage.


Well, think about it for a second. While Obama has made some mistakes, he's not the buffoon that Bush was. There isn't much material you can use against Obama, especially now. What are you gonna say, make a joke about him pushing universal health care in order to improve the lives of all citizens? Draw down troops in an unnecessary war in Iraq? Put the focus back on Afghanistan and improve the situation there, which he has done? Give the order to kill Osama Bin Laden? He did all of those things, and all of those things are really, really good things. What is there to make fun of besides the economy? That he's a loving husband and father? That he wasn't born in the US (which is a lie started by the right)? There's just nothing really that bad to say about him.

Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
Posted - 2011.05.04 12:42:00 - [303]
 

Originally by: Astenion
Well, think about it for a second. While Obama has made some mistakes, he's not the buffoon that Bush was. There isn't much material you can use against Obama, especially now. What are you gonna say, make a joke about him pushing universal health care in order to improve the lives of all citizens? Draw down troops in an unnecessary war in Iraq? Put the focus back on Afghanistan and improve the situation there, which he has done? Give the order to kill Osama Bin Laden? He did all of those things, and all of those things are really, really good things. What is there to make fun of besides the economy? That he's a loving husband and father? That he wasn't born in the US (which is a lie started by the right)? There's just nothing really that bad to say about him.


If you can't find anything bad to say about Obama, then you are not thinking about it for as long as a second. You're mind is closed, your ears don't work, you're blind as a mole, and thank God you are no longer in the military!


Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.05.04 14:20:00 - [304]
 

Edited by: Astenion on 04/05/2011 14:33:27
I didn't say I can't think of anything bad to say about him, I said there isn't the sheer amount of comedic material available for him that there was for the Bush Administration, as in he hasn't started a war based on lies and is directly responsible for the death of thousands of our soldiers and tens of thousands of innocent civilians, as in he didn't give up the search for Bin Laden six months after the WTC attack, as in he completely de-regulated every single thing that money passes through, effectively r@ping the middle class and sending our economy trillions more into debt, and giving the very first bailout at the end of his presidency which did nothing more than give CEOs more money to bail and go into retirement. Also the fact that his office publicly outed an undercover CIA agent because her husband brought to light corruption within the administration, completely botched the handling of terrorist suspects even when they were innocent, started the PATRIOT act, and whose vice president was quite possibly more evil than Emperor Palpatine. Really, the only good thing about the Bush Administration's reign was their record-breaking giving of aid to Africa to fight AIDS. I'm not saying Obama is perfect by any means; I think his handling of the economy has been weak and limp-wristed, and I think he could definitely do more to punish the banks and insurance companies. So yes, there really isn't *THAT* much negativity surrounding Obama in respect to Dubya, aside from the negativity invented by idiot Republicans like this birth certificate nonsense. They also like to forget that the reason the economy is in shambles is directly and solely laid at the feet of the Bush Administration and the Republican majority. Obama inherited it AFTER the first bailout by Dubya, and at that point the ball was already in motion.

It's good I'm not in the military anymore because I support Obama? So you're saying that all military members should be Republican and think like Republicans? I think it would be best if YOU were to get out/stay out of the military. Remember that pay crisis a couple of weeks ago, due to the government shutdown? It was Obama pleading with the Republicans to hurry up and come to a consensus so military members would get paid, and it was the REPUBLICANS who sat on the bill until the last minute.

It looks like YOU'RE the one blind as a bat with his fingers in his ears. Keep hanging around the smoke pit with your buddies, imagining new things to invent to slag Obama...oh wait, your party has been doing that since he got into office.

Bodrul
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.05.04 14:21:00 - [305]
 


Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
Posted - 2011.05.04 15:49:00 - [306]
 

Originally by: Astenion
So yes, there really isn't *THAT* much negativity surrounding Obama in respect to Dubya, aside from the negativity invented by idiot Republicans like this birth certificate nonsense. They also like to forget that the reason the economy is in shambles is directly and solely laid at the feet of the Bush Administration and the Republican majority. Obama inherited it AFTER the first bailout by Dubya, and at that point the ball was already in motion.

Most of the negativity surrounding Bush was driven by a leftist media with an agenda; the double standard is obvious to anyone who wants to look. That same media simply WILL NOT report the truth about the current administration's policies. Our current fiscal crisis is directly attributable to socialist policies that have been supported by self-serving politicians from both sides of the aisle dating back to the Carter administration.
Originally by: Astenion
It's good I'm not in the military anymore because I support Obama? So you're saying that all military members should be Republican and think like Republicans?

Of course not. Its because you are deaf, blind, and ignorant that I don't want you handling military hardware.ugh

Originally by: Astenion
It looks like YOU'RE the one blind as a bat with his fingers in his ears. Keep hanging around the smoke pit with your buddies, imagining new things to invent to slag Obama...oh wait, your party has been doing that since he got into office.

You are making assumptions about my party affiliation that are unfounded and untrue. You don't have to be a Republican to hate what this president and his cronies are doing to our country.

I AM thankful that he had the stones to renege on his campaign promises to shut down Gitmo, have civil trials for the inmates, stop using waterboarding, and bring our troops home. As a result he deserves the lion's share of credit for nailing Bin Laden.


Uriel Orestes
Posted - 2011.05.04 16:37:00 - [307]
 

Originally by: Jno Aubrey

[...] Our current fiscal crisis is directly attributable to socialist policies that have been supported by self-serving politicians from both sides of the aisle dating back to the Carter administration. [...]



Really? I thought it was because of the bankers who strong armed the Reagan administration to deregulate the financial markets.

Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.05.04 17:00:00 - [308]
 

Edited by: Astenion on 04/05/2011 17:00:42
Originally by: Jno Aubrey
Most of the negativity surrounding Bush was driven by a leftist media with an agenda; the double standard is obvious to anyone who wants to look. That same media simply WILL NOT report the truth about the current administration's policies. Our current fiscal crisis is directly attributable to socialist policies that have been supported by self-serving politicians from both sides of the aisle dating back to the Carter administration.
Originally by: Astenion
It's good I'm not in the military anymore because I support Obama? So you're saying that all military members should be Republican and think like Republicans?

Of course not. Its because you are deaf, blind, and ignorant that I don't want you handling military hardware.ugh

You are making assumptions about my party affiliation that are unfounded and untrue. You don't have to be a Republican to hate what this president and his cronies are doing to our country.

I AM thankful that he had the stones to renege on his campaign promises to shut down Gitmo, have civil trials for the inmates, stop using waterboarding, and bring our troops home. As a result he deserves the lion's share of credit for nailing Bin Laden.




First, it wasn't the media who sent us on a wild goose chase in the middle of Iraq looking for non-existent WMD, killing thousands of our own and tens of thousands of innocents, all the while making a mockery of what the US stands for. What you're doing is blaming the media for reporting on, well, current events, and you're angry because you don't like what they have to say because the truth offends your partisan sensibilities. "Most of the negativity surrounding Bush" was driven because the entire Administration was a colossal embarrassment and failure to the American people and the rest of the world, not because of MSNBC as you'd like to believe. The media didn't bring the country to the lowest point in its entire history; that administration did.

Again, it is you who is deaf, dumb, and blind...and it is a good thing that YOU are not in the military. Blaming the lowest decade in our history on the liberal media is ridiculous, partisan, and out of touch with reality. You're just a shameless apologist.

Let me guess, you're a "Libertarian", but only because it's unpopular to claim being Republican. You and your ilk simply took your ridiculous ideas and gave it a new name in order to not be so unpopular. So while you may not be a registered Republican, you're still a Republican because of your viewpoint. Don't play both sides of the fence, just admit what you are and stick with it without hiding behind farcical party affiliations.


Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
Posted - 2011.05.04 17:32:00 - [309]
 

Originally by: Astenion
First, it wasn't the media who sent us on a wild goose chase in the middle of Iraq looking for non-existent WMD, killing thousands of our own and tens of thousands of innocents, all the while making a mockery of what the US stands for. What you're doing is blaming the media for reporting on, well, current events, and you're angry because you don't like what they have to say because the truth offends your partisan sensibilities. "Most of the negativity surrounding Bush" was driven because the entire Administration was a colossal embarrassment and failure to the American people and the rest of the world, not because of MSNBC as you'd like to believe. The media didn't bring the country to the lowest point in its entire history; that administration did.

True, but it IS that same media that refuses to report that both the elephants and the donkeys believed that intel and voted to invade. Because you refuse to go outside your leftist media bubble you only get one version of the story.

Originally by: Astenion
Again, it is you who is deaf, dumb, and blind...and it is a good thing that YOU are not in the military. Blaming the lowest decade in our history on the liberal media is ridiculous, partisan, and out of touch with reality. You're just a shameless apologist.

I didn't blame the media - go read it again. I blamed every administration from Carter to the present. Politicians who mortgage the future to get (re)elected today.

Originally by: Astenion
Let me guess, you're a "Libertarian", but only because it's unpopular to claim being Republican. You and your ilk simply took your ridiculous ideas and gave it a new name in order to not be so unpopular. So while you may not be a registered Republican, you're still a Republican because of your viewpoint. Don't play both sides of the fence, just admit what you are and stick with it without hiding behind farcical party affiliations.

I envy you your certainty - when election day comes around you can just go pull the "D" lever and go home feeling you've done your civic duty.

For a Libertarian (actually I consider myself a Classical Liberal in the Jeffersonian sense) it is harder - you have to look at each candidate and decide who on balance is going to be most likely to decrease the size and scope of government and increase individual freedom and responsility. Most often that is a Republican but not always. Democrats have all the socialist economic baggage, and Republicans carry the religious right baggage, and both of those serve to diminish individual liberty.

tl;dr - it's not easy being me. Laughing



Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2011.05.04 18:17:00 - [310]
 

They killed him after a firefight, not during and he was unarmed yet resisting, harsh language?

I bet the spooks are happy to get the regular citizen on board on their murder boat but as much as it's a relief to have the loon gone you will have to wonder where this lead.


Ayieka
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.04 18:33:00 - [311]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus
They killed him after a firefight, not during and he was unarmed yet resisting, harsh language?

I bet the spooks are happy to get the regular citizen on board on their murder boat but as much as it's a relief to have the loon gone you will have to wonder where this lead.



i think that's because it was an assassination. they weren't going for prisoners. its just one of those times where the government does something shadowy and underhanded but no one really blames them.

Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
Posted - 2011.05.04 18:42:00 - [312]
 

Originally by: Ayieka
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
They killed him after a firefight, not during and he was unarmed yet resisting, harsh language?

I bet the spooks are happy to get the regular citizen on board on their murder boat but as much as it's a relief to have the loon gone you will have to wonder where this lead.



i think that's because it was an assassination. they weren't going for prisoners. its just one of those times where the government does something shadowy and underhanded but no one really blames them.


Maybe they where worried that if they captured him alive there would be repeated hostage taking demanding his release or something? whatever the reason they did it all comes from the fact he was worth a lot more dead than alive to the US.

Radix Salvilines
legion industries ltd
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2011.05.04 18:59:00 - [313]
 

Originally by: Alpheias
Can't wait for when the US military decides to go after Christian targets.


add to that all world's religions... root of all evil...

Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.05.04 19:03:00 - [314]
 

Originally by: Jno Aubrey
Originally by: Astenion
First, it wasn't the media who sent us on a wild goose chase in the middle of Iraq looking for non-existent WMD, killing thousands of our own and tens of thousands of innocents, all the while making a mockery of what the US stands for. What you're doing is blaming the media for reporting on, well, current events, and you're angry because you don't like what they have to say because the truth offends your partisan sensibilities. "Most of the negativity surrounding Bush" was driven because the entire Administration was a colossal embarrassment and failure to the American people and the rest of the world, not because of MSNBC as you'd like to believe. The media didn't bring the country to the lowest point in its entire history; that administration did.

True, but it IS that same media that refuses to report that both the elephants and the donkeys believed that intel and voted to invade. Because you refuse to go outside your leftist media bubble you only get one version of the story.

Originally by: Astenion
Again, it is you who is deaf, dumb, and blind...and it is a good thing that YOU are not in the military. Blaming the lowest decade in our history on the liberal media is ridiculous, partisan, and out of touch with reality. You're just a shameless apologist.

I didn't blame the media - go read it again. I blamed every administration from Carter to the present. Politicians who mortgage the future to get (re)elected today.

Originally by: Astenion
Let me guess, you're a "Libertarian", but only because it's unpopular to claim being Republican. You and your ilk simply took your ridiculous ideas and gave it a new name in order to not be so unpopular. So while you may not be a registered Republican, you're still a Republican because of your viewpoint. Don't play both sides of the fence, just admit what you are and stick with it without hiding behind farcical party affiliations.

I envy you your certainty - when election day comes around you can just go pull the "D" lever and go home feeling you've done your civic duty.

For a Libertarian (actually I consider myself a Classical Liberal in the Jeffersonian sense) it is harder - you have to look at each candidate and decide who on balance is going to be most likely to decrease the size and scope of government and increase individual freedom and responsility. Most often that is a Republican but not always. Democrats have all the socialist economic baggage, and Republicans carry the religious right baggage, and both of those serve to diminish individual liberty.

tl;dr - it's not easy being me. Laughing





Fair enough...I can pretty much get on board with everything you said in that post. Your previous posts were a bit contradictory.

Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
Posted - 2011.05.04 19:05:00 - [315]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus
They killed him after a firefight, not during and he was unarmed yet resisting, harsh language?
I bet the spooks are happy to get the regular citizen on board on their murder boat but as much as it's a relief to have the loon gone you will have to wonder where this lead.


I don't care if he was standing there naked with an "I'm unarmed" sign in 12 languages - he's dead and we don't have to suffer through the spectacle of a public trial with a taxpayer-provided legal team and an O.J. Simpson-IQ jury.
Originally by: Radix Salvilines
Originally by: Alpheias
Can't wait for when the US military decides to go after Christian targets.
add to that all world's religions... root of all evil...

Amen

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2011.05.04 19:42:00 - [316]
 

Originally by: Jno Aubrey
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
They killed him after a firefight, not during and he was unarmed yet resisting, harsh language?
I bet the spooks are happy to get the regular citizen on board on their murder boat but as much as it's a relief to have the loon gone you will have to wonder where this lead.


I don't care if he was standing there naked with an "I'm unarmed" sign in 12 languages - he's dead and we don't have to suffer through the spectacle of a public trial with a taxpayer-provided legal team and an O.J. Simpson-IQ jury.



You fail to see the point, when the majority view legal issues as you yourself does the state has failed. When due process is a spectacle and not law and ad hoc sollutions the norm then you really got nothing to lean on. Saying your an american citizen will not stop the next bullet to your face.

I've seen it before 'but I'm clean, I have nothing to fear!' Yes perhaps you're clean but what if the government ain't?

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.05.04 20:04:00 - [317]
 

Muslim Brotherhood condemns Bin Laden's "assassination"

Oh, look at that! The "moderate" Muslim group that only wanted freedom from that mean old Egyptian dictator is finally showing its true colors.

The headline should have read:

Western intelligentsia scammed again, conservative skeptics vindicated.

Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2011.05.04 20:08:00 - [318]
 

Originally by: Jada Maroo
Muslim Brotherhood condemns Bin Laden's "assassination"

Oh, look at that! The "moderate" Muslim group that only wanted freedom from that mean old Egyptian dictator is finally showing its true colors.

The headline should have read:

Western intelligentsia scammed again, conservative skeptics vindicated.


Haha, what a surprise! Although they don't speak for the entire population, we knew this was coming.

I wouldn't say the skeptics were all conservative, as this was a worrying issue from the start for everyone but the tree-hugging vegan limp-wristed pacifists around the world.

Jago Kain
Amarr
Ramm's RDI
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.05.04 20:10:00 - [319]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus
...I've seen it before 'but I'm clean, I have nothing to fear!' Yes perhaps you're clean but what if the government ain't?


Ah. The old "...they came for the mass murdering terrorist living in a walled compound under the noses of the military who were supposed to be looking for him and I did nothing because I was not a mass murdering terrorist living in a walled compound under the noses of the military who were supposed to be looking for him..." argument.

This is quite clearly nonsense as we all know that the government (pick one; they're all super lovely people) has only our best interests at heart and that the chances of you being railroaded by corrupt officials with their own agenda for expressing discontent with the wonderful way things are going and frowning when they tell you it's all fair and hard work is rewarded and there is no glass ceiling, nepotism, cronyism or other discrimination are virtually non-existent. Honestly. No... really.

Anyone who says different is quite clearly a terrorist sympathiser and unpatriotic and deserves to have their door kicked in at 4AM and be dragged away by anonymous figures in black never to be heard of again.



Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.05.04 20:13:00 - [320]
 

Edited by: Jada Maroo on 04/05/2011 20:17:48
Oh my god! You all have to see this. It's graphic, I warn you, but look at the top left, just above his shoulder! He was armed! Laughing

Bin Laden buddy fought back, several SEAL team members heavily soaked

Burnharder
Posted - 2011.05.04 20:15:00 - [321]
 

Originally by: Jno Aubrey

Most of the negativity surrounding Bush was driven by a leftist media with an agenda; the double standard is obvious to anyone who wants to look.



I don't doubt that many media organisations (Fox notwithstanding) hated Bush, but come on get real, the man was an ignorant buffoon!

Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
Posted - 2011.05.04 20:17:00 - [322]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus
You fail to see the point, when the majority view legal issues as you yourself does the state has failed. When due process is a spectacle and not law and ad hoc sollutions the norm then you really got nothing to lean on. Saying your an american citizen will not stop the next bullet to your face.

I've seen it before 'but I'm clean, I have nothing to fear!' Yes perhaps you're clean but what if the government ain't?

You fail to see that this was not a legal issue. OBL was an enemy combatant hiding in a foreign country not under the jurisdiction of US law. He was a legitimate military target and as such nobody has cause to complain that he was eliminated.

To paraphrase John Cleese: "Due process don't enter into it!"

Burnharder
Posted - 2011.05.04 20:18:00 - [323]
 

Originally by: Jada Maroo
Muslim Brotherhood condemns Bin Laden's "assassination"

Oh, look at that! The "moderate" Muslim group that only wanted freedom from that mean old Egyptian dictator is finally showing its true colors.

The headline should have read:

Western intelligentsia scammed again, conservative skeptics vindicated.


The Muslim Brotherhood was caught flat-footed by all of the demonstrations and various over-throwings. Al Qaeda has been shown to be largely irrelevant to the wishes of the vast majority of Muslims too, given that a few mass demonstrations have achieved more in 10 months than the terrorists have achieved in 10 years. Overall I would be optimistic about the situation; the people want secular democracy and liberalism, not theocracy and tyranny, on the whole.

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2011.05.04 20:33:00 - [324]
 

Originally by: Jno Aubrey
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
You fail to see the point, when the majority view legal issues as you yourself does the state has failed. When due process is a spectacle and not law and ad hoc sollutions the norm then you really got nothing to lean on. Saying your an american citizen will not stop the next bullet to your face.

I've seen it before 'but I'm clean, I have nothing to fear!' Yes perhaps you're clean but what if the government ain't?

You fail to see that this was not a legal issue. OBL was an enemy combatant hiding in a foreign country not under the jurisdiction of US law. He was a legitimate military target and as such nobody has cause to complain that he was eliminated.

To paraphrase John Cleese: "Due process don't enter into it!"


If they can perform an assassination on foreign soil of a supposed ally against international law then I don't think US law hold any water, perhaps some OJ for refreshment and appearances but if you see beyond the case at hand and to the precedence it sets then you'll see that you're in company with Israel and Russia, rogue nations if there ever was such a thing.

Herr Wilkus
Posted - 2011.05.04 20:40:00 - [325]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus


You fail to see the point, when the majority view legal issues as you yourself does the state has failed. When due process is a spectacle and not law and ad hoc sollutions the norm then you really got nothing to lean on. Saying your an american citizen will not stop the next bullet to your face.

I've seen it before 'but I'm clean, I have nothing to fear!' Yes perhaps you're clean but what if the government ain't?


So, you are arguing that because Osama Bin-Laden did not stand trial in a court of law - he should have been presumed innocent? That killing him was murder? And that Obama, as the CIC, should be brought up on charges for ordering that murder? And this incident is just one more jump in the direction of a lawless society with no respect for due process?

Well, I don't like Obama, but I tend to go with Clint Eastwood's "Unforgiven" on this one.

Osama Bin Laden was caught unarmed?

"Well, he should have armed himself..."


Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2011.05.04 20:49:00 - [326]
 

Originally by: Herr Wilkus
Originally by: Danton Marcellus


You fail to see the point, when the majority view legal issues as you yourself does the state has failed. When due process is a spectacle and not law and ad hoc sollutions the norm then you really got nothing to lean on. Saying your an american citizen will not stop the next bullet to your face.

I've seen it before 'but I'm clean, I have nothing to fear!' Yes perhaps you're clean but what if the government ain't?


So, you are arguing that because Osama Bin-Laden did not stand trial in a court of law - he should have been presumed innocent? That killing him was murder? And that Obama, as the CIC, should be brought up on charges for ordering that murder? And this incident is just one more jump in the direction of a lawless society with no respect for due process?

Well, I don't like Obama, but I tend to go with Clint Eastwood's "Unforgiven" on this one.

Osama Bin Laden was caught unarmed?

"Well, he should have armed himself..."




He knew his days were numbered, he didn't arm himself as he wanted to either be caught alive and keep grandstanding or achieve exactly this, a win win in his books as he knew he was going down anyways once found.

Don't be silly, american presidents have nearly all commited crimes against humanity but none have stood trial, none ever will. People speculated Obama would be one of the exceptions but after this I'm not sure the legal buffs have him in that corner.

Bulldug
Starlight Enterprise
Posted - 2011.05.04 21:13:00 - [327]
 

All I want to say is that the root of ignorance is selfrighteousness and lack of personal introspection. Playing the devil's advocate on your own mind are very helpful to gain new personal insights. A fluid belief system are superior to a rigid belief system. All good inventors know this as it's key to new discoveries..

Education is not just about knowledge but also mentorship. To teach knowledge without mentorship is indoctrination, whatever it be intentional or not. Actual a good teacher will leave the student with more questions than answers. Why? Because it's the question not the answer than lead to new personal insights etc. Americans in general are to afraid to accept that "they don't know" so history repeat itself with the same old dramas from the past.
Living with "I know" is a tremendous handicap that keeps us out of the present, and living in the past. It doesn't allow us anything new, no surprises, no insights, no discoveries.

But if people are happy with the mundane and dont want to use the opportunity of great personal insigts of the mind and spirit, that is freewill. No one force people daily to spend many hours with their television of indoctrination that tell them what to think, not how to think.

Herr Wilkus
Posted - 2011.05.04 21:13:00 - [328]
 


So you are saying that 'nearly all' American presidents are guilty of crimes against humanity.

You state that Obama, however, was not guilty of crimes against humanity - until an unarmed Osama Bin Laden was killed.

Considering that "Nobel Peace Prize winner Barry Obama" has increased troop deployment and fighting in Afghanistan, kept Gitmo open - ordered countless Predator drone attacks (with collateral damage) in Pakistan, and is part of an operation that is openly trying to kill the Libyan head of state, and his family....

Your definition of 'crimes against humanity' must be very flexible and convenient.
Please, go in to more detail, how actions taken by Bush made him a criminal, and yet Obama (until now) was not. Rolling Eyes

Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
Posted - 2011.05.04 21:20:00 - [329]
 

And anyway, he already won the Peace Prize just for being himself, so he no longer needs to worry about World Opinion.

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.05.04 22:06:00 - [330]
 

Originally by: Jno Aubrey
And anyway, he already won the Peace Prize just for being himself, so he no longer needs to worry about World Opinion.


He should melt it down and turn it into bullets. Very Happy


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