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Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.05.03 12:20:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Mr Kidd on 03/05/2011 12:22:53
Originally by: Tanya Tarajaka
Well it has slipped back to the second page Laughing


I'm guessing all those who have said they were going to rage quit if ccp didn't do anything are now quit? Perhaps that's why the thread has run its course? Really, the few that were keeping it going were down to analyzing market data and frivolously making determinations about price direction in an attempt to discern CCP's effectiveness.

Galbeo Achasse
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.03 12:23:00 - [32]
 

I'm surprised the guts that macro users have though, aren't they afraid of losing their accounts? I could understand the isk RMT sellers not caring but why would casual macro users even bother? Isk is easy enough to earn if you play legit. And even if you're having a hard time getting by it adds a little bit of a challenge that teaches you to be frugal.

But I think the policy in place is appropriate enough to deter casual macro users without them losing their accounts on the first offense.

Tanya Tarajaka
Posted - 2011.05.03 12:25:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Tanya Tarajaka on 03/05/2011 12:29:13
Originally by: Galbeo Achasse
I'm surprised the guts that macro users have though, aren't they afraid of losing their accounts? I could understand the isk RMT sellers not caring but why would casual macro users even bother? Isk is easy enough to earn if you play legit. And even if you're having a hard time getting by it adds a little bit of a challenge that teaches you to be frugal.

But I think the policy in place is appropriate enough to deter casual macro users without them losing their accounts on the first offense.


I'd think the reason they would do it was so that they can play the game for free via PLEX without having to put the time in themselves.

Edit: If they are successful then they're likely to get greedy and just start collecting isk.

Galbeo Achasse
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.03 12:34:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Tanya Tarajaka
I'd think the reason they would do it was so that they can play the game for free via PLEX without having to put the time in themselves.


I suppose that's true, but honestly if they can't afford the PLEX in-game, $15 really isn't a bad price for a well developed game.

atrum dux
Posted - 2011.05.03 13:04:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Joe Phoenix
When you're piloting a jump freightor thats staring down the barrels of a mother-ship that was built by bots, then you can tell me it doesn't hurt...



Oh those filthy sons of a botters *****, we must take action, NOW! Avengers assemble.

Cyaxares II
Posted - 2011.05.03 13:19:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Galbeo Achasse
Originally by: Tanya Tarajaka
I'd think the reason they would do it was so that they can play the game for free via PLEX without having to put the time in themselves.


I suppose that's true, but honestly if they can't afford the PLEX in-game, $15 really isn't a bad price for a well developed game.

I see what you did there^^

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.05.03 16:10:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Dark Muse
T1 production is broken from the beginning...

I mean, just take Expanded Cargohold I as an example. Everyone and his dog can build 1,500 units of it for a lulz cost. Now how many Expanded Cargohold I are really needed all over the universe? Right, maybe 50 units per day (noobs).

You get the idea.


I make billions off of t1 production. The jokes on you and I'm laughing all the way to the bank.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.05.03 16:14:00 - [38]
 

Quote:
I can guarantee you highsec botting causes more damage to the economy than nullsec ever will.


While it might seem so at first blush, this is not the case. Ratting bots in null sec are far more lucurative than empire mining bots, and funnel huge amounts of isk directly into the economy. Enabling super cap mass production lines is also not a good thing.

Tanya Tarajaka
Posted - 2011.05.03 16:16:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Tanya Tarajaka on 03/05/2011 16:19:53
Originally by: Dark Muse
T1 production is broken from the beginning...

I mean, just take Expanded Cargohold I as an example. Everyone and his dog can build 1,500 units of it for a lulz cost. Now how many Expanded Cargohold I are really needed all over the universe? Right, maybe 50 units per day (noobs).

You get the idea.


The item you chose to use as an example is fairly useless, not because it's t1 but because t2 cargoholds are cheap enough and the training required to use t2 cargoholds is easy and quick to obtain. But that's not true of all t1 items.

GIGAR
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.03 16:23:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: GIGAR on 03/05/2011 16:25:34
Originally by: Galbeo Achasse
I'm surprised the guts that macro users have though, aren't they afraid of losing their accounts? I could understand the isk RMT sellers not caring but why would casual macro users even bother? Isk is easy enough to earn if you play legit. And even if you're having a hard time getting by it adds a little bit of a challenge that teaches you to be frugal.

But I think the policy in place is appropriate enough to deter casual macro users without them losing their accounts on the first offense.

Macro -> Get tons of ISK
Acc get temp (TEMP!!!) banned for 14 days
Sell chars on acc
Get new acc, buy some other char with some of your macro-ISK
<Repeat>

Sad


Originally by: Tanya Tarajaka
Edited by: Tanya Tarajaka on 03/05/2011 16:19:53
Originally by: Dark Muse
T1 production is broken from the beginning...

I mean, just take Expanded Cargohold I as an example. Everyone and his dog can build 1,500 units of it for a lulz cost. Now how many Expanded Cargohold I are really needed all over the universe? Right, maybe 50 units per day (noobs).

You get the idea.


The item you chose to use as an example is fairly useless, not because it's t1 but because t2 cargoholds are cheap enough and the training required to use t2 cargoholds is easy and quick to obtain. But that's not true of all t1 items.

Noticed how long it takes to mine the minerals for an Expanded Cargohold in a Hulk? (not including transporting and lowsec ore requirements, etc)
Without doing the math, I'm fairly certain it's not a lot of time.

Laruen Pleides
Posted - 2011.05.03 17:10:00 - [41]
 

The issue of "Witch hunts" has been mentioned in this thread and probably many others.

I currently wish to stay out of the macro/bot debates, but I would like to know the methods by which someone is judged to be using macros.
I tend to read (about eve usually) in the browser while mining when I'm in high sec. I use bookmarks to warp right back to where I left off, and simply repeat the process over and over.
How then do I keep myself from being accused of using macros?
We all need to build up isk, and not everyone can fly T3/T4 (or wants to yet), so mining is a way to, slowly, build up isk while you train for other more lucrative skills.
So how do you avoid being tagged as a bot?

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.05.03 17:17:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Laruen Pleides
The issue of "Witch hunts" has been mentioned in this thread and probably many others.

I currently wish to stay out of the macro/bot debates, but I would like to know the methods by which someone is judged to be using macros.
I tend to read (about eve usually) in the browser while mining when I'm in high sec. I use bookmarks to warp right back to where I left off, and simply repeat the process over and over.
How then do I keep myself from being accused of using macros?
We all need to build up isk, and not everyone can fly T3/T4 (or wants to yet), so mining is a way to, slowly, build up isk while you train for other more lucrative skills.
So how do you avoid being tagged as a bot?


Just keep doing what you are doing. While people may keep an eye on you if your normal activity is "bot like", that will not get you banned. CCP looks at other criteria, including how bots interact with the EVE code.

Joe Phoenix
The Commonwealth Federation
Posted - 2011.05.03 18:31:00 - [43]
 

Personally i don't care how often you use macros, using them is against the rules, its cheating, hence you should be banned.

Katra Novac
Posted - 2011.05.03 18:38:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Katra Novac on 03/05/2011 18:45:59
Edited by: Katra Novac on 03/05/2011 18:39:31
Originally by: Laruen Pleides

I use bookmarks to warp right back to where I left off, and simply repeat the process over and over.
How then do I keep myself from being accused of using macros?




Simple answer is you don't.

A lot of people don't really have an idea of what a bot really is so the normal mining from bookmark to station and back can seem like bot behaviour to someone who does not really know. I used to get asked on occassions when I used to mine if I was a bot or not, for mining the way you do. Don't worry about it, I doubt CCP will act just on hear-say.


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