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Liberty Eternal
Posted - 2011.05.02 21:24:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Grendell
If that's what is required, I would do it in a heartbeat. I would have to first speak to my client to confirm it is something he would accept. I'm assuming Chribba would be the best option here? Either way, I'll ask my client first, before I speak on his behalf. I'll keep you posted on that Liberty.Razz



That will resolve any issue I have with the structure of the offering. I thank you for your response.

Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
Posted - 2011.05.02 22:01:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Liberty Eternal
Originally by: Grendell
If that's what is required, I would do it in a heartbeat. I would have to first speak to my client to confirm it is something he would accept. I'm assuming Chribba would be the best option here? Either way, I'll ask my client first, before I speak on his behalf. I'll keep you posted on that Liberty.Razz



That will resolve any issue I have with the structure of the offering. I thank you for your response.


My pleasure! Thanks for the feedbackSmile

Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
Posted - 2011.05.03 02:53:00 - [63]
 




I suppose you don't know what alts are for.

HINT: If you want to remain anonymous use an alt.






Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
Posted - 2011.05.03 05:33:00 - [64]
 

Small update, Ive contacted my client to ask his permission about confirming he is not my imaginary friend. He's agreed to allow me get confirmation through a 3rd party, I'm assuming nobody would have any objections with Chribba? If not Chribba I can also ask Tornsoul, either I think would suffice.

Xemoxa
Posted - 2011.05.03 05:52:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Liberty Eternal
Originally by: Grendell
If that's what is required, I would do it in a heartbeat. I would have to first speak to my client to confirm it is something he would accept. I'm assuming Chribba would be the best option here? Either way, I'll ask my client first, before I speak on his behalf. I'll keep you posted on that Liberty.Razz



That will resolve any issue I have with the structure of the offering. I thank you for your response.


This is a truely pathetic request and waste a of time. Dude spends all this energy being a thorn in Grendell's side about security, then he'll be satisfied by a request that, without a shred of doubt, proves nothing.

Let us all rest in peace knowing that Liberty Eternal is satisfied in knowing that Grendell doesn't know how to make an alt if needed. Rolling Eyes


You know how trusted 3rd parties work? You have to trust someone. All your stupid questions and suggestions for added complexity won't change that basic fact. You don't like how the trusted 3rd party system works? Then gtfo and go bother some unsecured bond noobs with your timesome posturing.



Liberty Eternal
Posted - 2011.05.03 06:06:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 03/05/2011 06:07:51

Thanks Grendell, good to hear.

Also, Grendell can't just make an alt - he has already stated that both the blueprints and their owner are publically known and can be found through a quick evesearch. The third party will be able to verify this for consistency, meaning that an alt won't do it.

Originally by: Grendell

Basically I can't divulge the exact BPO's, as it would give clues as to who the client is. Thanks eve-search.


Rafia Landras Audeles
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.03 06:15:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Liberty Eternal
Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 03/05/2011 06:07:51



Also, Grendell can't just make an alt - he has already stated that both the blueprints and their owner are publically known and can be found through a quick evesearch. The third party will be able to verify this for consistency, meaning that an alt won't do it.




You know, I happen to see a publicly known person who had a business which operated with very recognizable BPOS posting here a lot more lately.

Correlation with this bond? Causation?

And, if a third party confirmed the existence of someone other than Grendell then Grendell could not use an alt (or an obvious one) since for the verification to be meaningful at all the party with the bpo's needs to be credible.

And I think Chribba is smarter than to fall for "NotaGrendell Alt"

Whats up bobby did your scam funds run out already?

Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.05.03 08:10:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Rafia Landras Audeles
You know, I happen to see a publicly known person who had a business which operated with very recognizable BPOS posting here a lot more lately.

Whats up bobby did your scam funds run out already?

Yes. You've got me. I frittered it all away on quafe and exotic dancers.

Fortunately Grendell is there to save the day.

Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
Posted - 2011.05.04 04:05:00 - [69]
 

Small update were about 25% filled now.
Still waiting on word from Chribba, if it takes too long I can speak to Tornsoul. Will keep everyone posted on this.


Salome Musashi
Aura of Darkness
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.05.04 08:50:00 - [70]
 

If there were ever a good, conservative Eve bond to invest in, this is it.

But folks are right, the rates are too low. For small-time investors, the return is lower than datacore research agents, and the big boys are probably looking for something riskier with a higher payoff.

For example, a 20b ISK investment would buy me a PLEX every month, which would rock, but I don't have 20b to invest.

Good luck, Grendell, I'll keep thinking about it, maybe I'll change my mind. This would be an excellent investment for a corp with some extra billions, though.

Cesar Menage
MenageTech
Posted - 2011.05.04 09:30:00 - [71]
 

wow thats a big amount

RAW23
Posted - 2011.05.04 10:16:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: RAW23 on 04/05/2011 10:17:32
Edited by: RAW23 on 04/05/2011 10:16:05
Originally by: Grendell


Current Investors:
Anonymous I - 20b
jyppy - 20b
Anonymous II - 50b

...

Investing:
> Reserve an amount 1b+ with increments of 1b.
> Post your reservation here
> Eve-mail your reservation for anonymity
>
The monthly intervals will be the 1st of each month



From a purely procedural perspective anonymous out-of-thread investments leave some security gaps that could be plugged without too much effort and without surrendering their anonymity. The concern is that when a chunk of the investment is not booked in the thread it is easy for the offeror to claim that person pulled out and then resell their stake in the investment multiple times via private convos (i.e. the Curzon Dax approach). This potential problem can be removed by having the anonymous investors post their reservations with anonymous alts and also post if they back out. Of course, the alts could be the OP's but as long as things are tracked in the thread and any reselling of their stakes is done here, that doesn't matter as it still won't be possible to resell the same stake twice, so long as all investors insist on all business being done via the thread and don't send any isk until the relevant posts are made.

Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
Posted - 2011.05.04 14:50:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Grendell on 04/05/2011 14:49:56
Originally by: Salome Musashi
If there were ever a good, conservative Eve bond to invest in, this is it.

But folks are right, the rates are too low. For small-time investors, the return is lower than datacore research agents, and the big boys are probably looking for something riskier with a higher payoff.

For example, a 20b ISK investment would buy me a PLEX every month, which would rock, but I don't have 20b to invest.

Good luck, Grendell, I'll keep thinking about it, maybe I'll change my mind. This would be an excellent investment for a corp with some extra billions, though.



Thanks for the compliments!



Originally by: RAW23

From a purely procedural perspective anonymous out-of-thread investments leave some security gaps that could be plugged without too much effort and without surrendering their anonymity. The concern is that when a chunk of the investment is not booked in the thread it is easy for the offeror to claim that person pulled out and then resell their stake in the investment multiple times via private convos (i.e. the Curzon Dax approach). This potential problem can be removed by having the anonymous investors post their reservations with anonymous alts and also post if they back out. Of course, the alts could be the OP's but as long as things are tracked in the thread and any reselling of their stakes is done here, that doesn't matter as it still won't be possible to resell the same stake twice, so long as all investors insist on all business being done via the thread and don't send any isk until the relevant posts are made.


Thanks for the suggestion, I'll mail them and ask them to make an alt for posting purposes.Wink

Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
Posted - 2011.05.05 17:52:00 - [74]
 

Investor "Anonymous I" Has raised his reservation from 20b to 50b. I've updated the main post to reflect that.

Miasma May
Posted - 2011.05.05 18:24:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Grendell
Investor "Anonymous I" Has raised his reservation from 20b to 50b. I've updated the main post to reflect that.



Anonymous I's anonymous alt checking in for stake tracking/reselling verification. I don't check evemail on this alt anyway, so any correspondance to me regarding this bond not from Grendell should be done publicly through this thread only.

MM

Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
Posted - 2011.05.05 18:37:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: RAW23




Hey RAW as per your suggestion I've asked both anonymous investors to create random alts. Anonymous I has done so and posted, Anonymous II informed my he/she has no room on their account to create a an alt.

But any future Anonymous investors, I will ask them to create an alt for the purpose of the thread. (If they have room to do so)

TornSoul
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.05.06 17:05:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: TornSoul on 06/05/2011 17:11:09
Originally by: Grendell

Originally by: Liberty Eternal

On which note - it would take 2 minutes to disclose the identity of the client to a trusted third party, just to confirm that the client does actually exist. Would you be prepared to do that for your investor's security?


If that's what is required, I would do it in a heartbeat. I would have to first speak to my client to confirm it is something he would accept. I'm assuming Chribba would be the best option here? Either way, I'll ask my client first, before I speak on his behalf. I'll keep you posted on that Liberty.Razz




Hereby confirming that the party represented by Grendell is not Grendell himself.

This has been verified via EVE mail.

------


caveat :

This in no way confirms the existence of collateral, nor do I know the business plan or any other details.

It simply confirms that there exists a party, well known to me (for years as it so happens), that I'm 100% certain is not Grendell himself, that claims to be the party on which behalf Grendell is issuing this bond.
The validity of this claim (due to the identity of the party) I personally trust.



SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
Posted - 2011.05.06 18:59:00 - [78]
 

That means it's Torn Soul Twisted Evil Only a handful of people could utilize this amount of capital effectively and not be tempted by running off with it. This means the anonymous party is wealthy in their own right, but just doesn't capital available to initiate their project. Also two big anonymous investors for over 50B each. Means those two anonymous investors know who the anonymous party is. And that those people with big pockets trust the party.

I somehow doubt it's someone new, the fact that Grendell is involved shows the anonymous party is someone who has been around long enough to know the right channels. Since Torn Soul has commented on it it's confirmation that the person is well know, has been around for a long time, and if the party was a scammer I'm sure TS would have give that information. Maybe not the name, but would have warned people about the parties history.

That's a pretty narrow list of people left. So what are you making TS? Twisted Evil

TornSoul
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.05.06 19:11:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: SencneS
That means it's Torn Soul Twisted Evil

Originally by: TornSoul
nor do I know the business plan or any other details.

Laughing


SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
Posted - 2011.05.06 19:27:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: TornSoul
Originally by: SencneS
That means it's Torn Soul Twisted Evil

Originally by: TornSoul
nor do I know the business plan or any other details.

Laughing




Well that solves that then. YARRRR!!



Syds Sinclair
Posted - 2011.05.06 21:17:00 - [81]
 

..I would like a trusted third party to confirm that TornSoul is not one of Grendell's alts. EMIRITE LIBRTY?

Liberty Eternal
Posted - 2011.05.06 21:50:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Syds Sinclair
..I would like a trusted third party to confirm that TornSoul is not one of Grendell's alts. EMIRITE LIBRTY?


Yer sumfing verry suspishus going on hear!


On a more serious note, thanks Grendell - making offerings more secure can only be a good thing Cool

No You're Not
Posted - 2011.05.07 18:48:00 - [83]
 

I think this is a scam. He's going to cash in and cash in big.

Post moderated and spam removed. Navigator

Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
Posted - 2011.05.10 16:22:00 - [84]
 

Bump, read the thread.Wink

Triffid PieMuncher
Posted - 2011.05.10 19:25:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Grendell
Bump, read the thread.Wink



We've read it.

Computer says 'no' ugh

Mindlles
Posted - 2011.05.15 21:17:00 - [86]
 

3b for me.

spiked amarr
Hysera.
Posted - 2011.05.16 23:48:00 - [87]
 

Id like to reserve 5bn worth of shares.

JabJabVVV
Burger Nip
Posted - 2011.05.18 09:53:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: JabJabVVV on 18/05/2011 10:44:07
nvm

Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
Posted - 2011.05.26 15:46:00 - [89]
 

Will be finalizing some details and launching before total fill of the bond. Current reserved investors will be getting mailed with when to actually send isk.

I'll update the thread too.Wink

one full vote
Posted - 2011.05.26 16:24:00 - [90]
 

Hey, when you stick up for someone with rep you get a small amount of rep back! It's true!

Also, this anonymity thing is stupid. Sorry but it is. Almost to a joke level fro anyone without ****tinted googles from years of swimming around this MD toilet water.

"Low interest rate! This can't be a scam!"

Where the ff have I heard that before? BB

You've heard all of this before

You know , if MD was a piece of paper with wet which could be folded up.When unfolded, instead of smudges the seemingly loose contradictions would come toghether and it could be read in clear writting

reality exists in your own mind

because that is the only way this **** could be allowed to happen.



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