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Otard
Gallente
Ad Vita Noctu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.04.30 07:08:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Otard on 09/05/2011 20:17:59
Edited by: Otard on 02/05/2011 21:03:52
We are now out of -FA-. In short, [according to Zagdul] we were too smug and egotistic for -FA-. Our corp would bring 25+ to american tz CTA's while the 2nd most active would bring at most 9. Not to mention that one of the alliance FC's are in this corp as well. I wish Zagdul the best of luck. A recording of our corp meeting was dropped on the internet by none other than Zagdul [the alliance exec]. Most of it was about corp related stuff. But some of it was juicy dissatisfaction with him as not only an exec, but as a FC. In short, he got ****ed that we never at any point in time liked him. When we first joined -FA- we had never expected Zag to become the exec at any point in time. [especially since he quit the game because of PL hacking his website]. All of the sudden, Ravenshadow is kicked for being a duche bag [which he slowly turned into over time] and then Zag, who had quit the game, jumped out of the woodwork to be the exec.

Some of you guys could'nt find it. So ill make it easy and paste it here -->http://soundcloud.com/zagdul/junkyard-gunners-corp-meeting

This private corporate meeting caused great grief to zag and he even came and raged in my corp channel about it in ts3 [also in the same link as above]. Which of course my members unleashed their bottled up feelings into some serious wars of words. What is funny about all this, is that it was a standard weekly corp meeting, and zag used a phantom in ts3 to record it. And on a whim decides before talking to his 'high command' that we arent suited for each other... which i couldn't agree more :D

Here are the lasted few fleet fights that zag has led: http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12656 &
http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12966

You can look at the kb > fleet battles. Lots of complete facepalm.. especially when we had twice the numbers and 3x the logi. Our reasons for hating Zag are well grounded. And Zag has said repeatedly [even in the recording] that we wants to start from scratch. Kick out everyone. Tbh, sounds like an alt. He even eludes to it in his own recording when he says 'I will drop as many ppl as i need to. Heck, ill run a 800 man alliance if i have to.' This shows a lack of leadership ability imo. Especially when the guys you are kicking are the guys bringing the most to your fleets. So -FA-, when you finally get sick of Zag send me a convo.

UPDATE: We have decided to fold the corp and merge into a previous -FA- corp, Ad Vita Noctu. At the time they held all our alliance FC's before they were kicked. They pretty much have the same story as us. We look forward to kill stuff and having fun in TEST. o7

Bobbechk
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.04.30 07:33:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Bobbechk on 30/04/2011 07:36:52
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Otard
Gallente
Ad Vita Noctu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.04.30 07:36:00 - [3]
 

ill keep that in mind lulz.

Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.04.30 09:09:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Zagdul on 30/04/2011 09:12:53
Edited by: Zagdul on 30/04/2011 09:09:56


Later dude,

You've got the drive to do something in EVE. You've always tried to start something up and your previous attempts while less successful, show that you do posses the motivation and ambition to accomplish... something.

Good luck in your future endeavors.

EDIT: And never lose your moxie.

I've always wanted to use that word.

DarkStar1128
Minmatar
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.04.30 13:10:00 - [5]
 

Take care guys, and good luck with what ever direction you take, you will be missed.

Sverige Pahis
Caldari
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.30 17:30:00 - [6]
 

Highsec?

yopparai
Minmatar
ASTARTES CORP
Posted - 2011.04.30 18:58:00 - [7]
 

We left -FA- for the same reasons over a year ago. I guess things never really changed. To many bears willing to complain about everything all day, but never willing to fight for anything. O & yeah Zagdul is a total tool. Raven was cool but I guess he got the boot or something.

Yopp

patteSatan
Caldari
freelancers inc
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2011.05.01 11:14:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Bobbechk
Edited by: Bobbechk on 30/04/2011 07:36:52
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Yes, you take anything in PL, you have Jogyn, ffs.

ajduB
Minmatar
Militaris Industries
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2011.05.01 19:47:00 - [9]
 

Haha, Good story Bro!

Derwent
Caldari
Hysera.
Posted - 2011.05.01 23:04:00 - [10]
 

PVE killer checking in for duty...

Ivana Twinkle
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.05.02 08:58:00 - [11]
 

Less people to **** up northern space.

Otard
Gallente
Ad Vita Noctu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.02 21:09:00 - [12]
 

Well, im sure many of you will be seeing us around. We have joined up with The 0rphanage. If any good 0.0 alliances with space worthy of defending wants to send me a mail. That will be fine. We have had a few offers thus far, but none that would want to make us leave where we are headed. Have fun and gl with eve :)

Ladie Scarlet
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.05.02 21:31:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Ladie Scarlet on 02/05/2011 21:31:37
Originally by: Otard
We have joined up with The 0rphanage.


lol there's a lot of l33t pvp going on at the jita 4-4 undock.

Otard
Gallente
Ad Vita Noctu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.02 21:35:00 - [14]
 

well, we wont be on the jita undock. more like in the low sec of the alliances that are dec'd. But yes, you are right :)

CosDashit Palpatine
Gallente
Crypsus
Nevazar
Posted - 2011.05.02 23:11:00 - [15]
 

I kinda liked Zag, but that's me. He never got me killed and got me some good ISK on the KB, had sympathy for us grunts in the blue ball fleets ect. I found his explosive spouts of anger at fleet members failing to follow orders very entertaining, “You couldn’t align, you missed the boat”. Was good times.

Still, kinda shocked to hear this went down like this.

Zag, c'mon, really?

I was out of town during this corp meeting, but i took the time to listen to both of them, and i can't understand where you are coming from in this.

Otard has been very down to earth about everything in EVE. As he was not part of the FA HC, in the end, he was put at the same level as anyone else, just another pilot looking to blow some crap up in an internet spaceship game. And he is great at relating to the rest of us by bsing about everything with us. And that’s all I hear in that sound clip. Just your run of the mill “Leader isn’t doing this the way I’d do it”

Everyone talks smack about the people making choices for them, it’s the way of the world. Hell even in the military, the grunts totally talk smack about their CO’s in private. In politics, the presidents of the world bear the most criticism, more than anyone else. Gotta take it in stride.

I think in the end, the second recording speaks the most about this whole situation. You started off sounding like you wanted a discussion, a friendly talk over the action being taken, and immediately went rage cussing at them at the drop of a hat. I don’t get it, but it just sounds like something personal. So in the end I really hope its for the better, for both parties that JYG is going it’s own way.

I know Otard liked FA, as did everyone else, despite any of the mudslinging that went on in that talk, our attendance on the battlefield speaks far louder than anyone’s words. If JYG wasn’t committed to FA, they would not have been so active in your fleets. Loyalty does not mean the absence of an opinion.

Shame. Good Luck FA, was a great ride. For what it’s worth, thanks for the roams Zag.

Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.05.03 01:16:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: CosDa**** Palpatine
I kinda liked Zag, but that's me. He never got me killed and got me some good ISK on the KB, had sympathy for us grunts in the blue ball fleets ect. I found his explosive spouts of anger at fleet members failing to follow orders very entertaining, “You couldn’t align, you missed the boat”. Was good times.

Still, kinda shocked to hear this went down like this.

Zag, c'mon, really?

I was out of town during this corp meeting, but i took the time to listen to both of them, and i can't understand where you are coming from in this.

Otard has been very down to earth about everything in EVE. As he was not part of the FA HC, in the end, he was put at the same level as anyone else, just another pilot looking to blow some crap up in an internet spaceship game. And he is great at relating to the rest of us by bsing about everything with us. And that’s all I hear in that sound clip. Just your run of the mill “Leader isn’t doing this the way I’d do it”

Everyone talks smack about the people making choices for them, it’s the way of the world. Hell even in the military, the grunts totally talk smack about their CO’s in private. In politics, the presidents of the world bear the most criticism, more than anyone else. Gotta take it in stride.

I think in the end, the second recording speaks the most about this whole situation. You started off sounding like you wanted a discussion, a friendly talk over the action being taken, and immediately went rage cussing at them at the drop of a hat. I don’t get it, but it just sounds like something personal. So in the end I really hope its for the better, for both parties that JYG is going it’s own way.

I know Otard liked FA, as did everyone else, despite any of the mudslinging that went on in that talk, our attendance on the battlefield speaks far louder than anyone’s words. If JYG wasn’t committed to FA, they would not have been so active in your fleets. Loyalty does not mean the absence of an opinion.

Shame. Good Luck FA, was a great ride. For what it’s worth, thanks for the roams Zag.



I'm very disappointed to lose a lot of the pilots in Junkyard Gunners. Saying it's a shame is an understatement.

However, I'm trying to build cohesion between corporations and their CEO's to build a team environment within -FA-. I've got a lot on my plate and heaps of work to do in order to implement ideas which would see this vision to fruition. The things said in that meeting by a CEO to it's members, some members who had only been in the alliance for a few days, is seen as disruptive to the overall goals and focus of where I would like to see Fatal Ascension go in it's future. I get the whole "things aren't getting done the way I'd like to see it" attitude, I'm the posterboy for it. However, there's things you do in order to get your ideas heard and implemented that are appropriate and help the overall big picture. This corp meeting was not the way.

I get... "Corp meeting, private, can talk **** etc.." however, Otard got caught and any level headed, smart Alliance Leader would have made the same decision.


The PitBoss
Caldari
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2011.05.03 03:34:00 - [17]
 

Welcome Aboard Wink


Otard
Gallente
Ad Vita Noctu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.03 04:03:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Otard on 03/05/2011 04:07:17
Zag, if i didn't want to 'get caught', i would hold meetings on my own server. You act as if i was holding some underground secret love fest. Wink You just took it too personal.

Richard STIHL
Caldari
High Flyers
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.05.03 05:25:00 - [19]
 

hey do you adopt ***s have a station???

whosafraid
Caldari
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2011.05.03 05:51:00 - [20]
 

I think what really happened here is that your corpies having to listen to you for a hour tipped off the other guy ZAG just to shut you up. Man anyone that can talk for that long in a corp meeting deffo needs to be kicked. :) On the other hand the emo rage guy that kicked everyone should maybe of asked you to step down if couldn't work with you rather than making the whole corp suffer. but internet spaceships is serious stuff and these days all the new dictators need to make thier own mark.


Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.05.03 09:16:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Otard
Edited by: Otard on 03/05/2011 04:07:17
Zag, if i didn't want to 'get caught', i would hold meetings on my own server. You act as if i was holding some underground secret love fest. Wink You just took it too personal.
The spy was in your corp. Had you been in your private comms, it still would have been recorded.

I'm not quite sure where you're going with this.

However, I found some more literature of yours that was comical to read.


Zaribeth
Amarr
Star Frontiers
Ignore This.
Posted - 2011.05.03 09:42:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Zaribeth on 03/05/2011 09:43:06
Originally by: Otard

Our corp would bring 25+ to american tz CTA's


Holy **** dude Shocked

A full 25 pilots to a CTA????????

I don’t think Zag has thought this through.

Zingy Zoonga
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.05.03 11:16:00 - [23]
 

Zag, if you think JYG leaving FA is an overall benefit to your alliance, you're an idiot.

Otard, if you think us leaving FA is a benefit to the corp, you're an idiot.

This is a situation where private messages and calm words could have easily diffused the situation, and instead we're forced to be at odds with one another. Instead of coming to an agreement and proposing a solution that benefits both ends, we're both stuck at a loss because of your egos. Don't either of you think for a second you have helped either cause.

But, as mentioned before, internet spaceship games.

Vertisce Soritenshi
Gallente
SHADOW WARD
Tragedy.
Posted - 2011.05.03 12:16:00 - [24]
 

So they joined "The Orphanage" so they can camp Jita 4-4 all day...lol

Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.05.03 13:46:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Zagdul on 03/05/2011 13:57:20


Originally by: Zingy Zoonga
Zag, if you think JYG leaving FA is an overall benefit to your alliance, you're an idiot.

Otard, if you think us leaving FA is a benefit to the corp, you're an idiot.

This is a situation where private messages and calm words could have easily diffused the situation, and instead we're forced to be at odds with one another. Instead of coming to an agreement and proposing a solution that benefits both ends, we're both stuck at a loss because of your egos. Don't either of you think for a second you have helped either cause.

But, as mentioned before, internet spaceship games.


I'm upset the pilots of Junkyard Gunners are gone dude. You guys were awesome. EDIT: I think it's more garbage that he's joined Orphanage so quickly, knowing FULL WELL many of his pilots are still in our space. I offered him a week of blue standings so that you guys could get your stuff out... what does he do? Join a hostile alliance. So yes, I had to reset you.

He doesn't think things through like this. Many of the members of your corp are expendable and he proves it time and time again.

I saw you guys as dudes behind a computer, not a number. When Armymp came in to say goodbye, I was upset to hear him go. But, names, people community are foreign to your CEO. It's all about numbers and ****ting on the people around him for personal gain. READ the links I've posted... That is your CEO.

Junkyard Gunners leaving -FA- wasn't a benefit, but if I had to weigh it out... losing Otard was.

There's a lot of shady things I could have done to retain you guys. Keeping your CEO around would have only been for my personal gain and in the long run, would have hurt FA, the alliance and the people who built it.

OrDeR
Caldari
Muppet Factory
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.05.03 14:12:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: OrDeR on 03/05/2011 14:12:03
pen 15

Demonization
Minmatar
Enlightened Industries
Posted - 2011.05.03 15:06:00 - [27]
 

I wouldn't worry -FA- guys, from what I've seen already a lot of JYG pilots will be leaving and looking to join other -FA- corps.

Seriously though, how do you go from being in a 0.0 alliance and part of something, to joining AD0PT and camping Jita? I seriously doubt a vote was put out to your corp and the majority voted for station camping to 0.0 warfare. No offense to AD0PT either, they play the game how they want and that's fair enough, but the way in which they and JYG played are completely different and it just doesn't seem to make sense.

Laurici
Minmatar
The Priesthood
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2011.05.03 16:21:00 - [28]
 

Glad you guys came our way, had fun with u last night, so for me, -FA- were on the losing side in letting this corp go

Random Majere
Gallente
BOAE INC
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2011.05.03 16:21:00 - [29]
 

SadAnother NC alliance suffering from an ego clash at the top.

Otard
Gallente
Ad Vita Noctu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.05.03 19:31:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Zagdul
Edited by: Zagdul on 03/05/2011 13:57:20


Originally by: Zingy Zoonga
Zag, if you think JYG leaving FA is an overall benefit to your alliance, you're an idiot.

Otard, if you think us leaving FA is a benefit to the corp, you're an idiot.

This is a situation where private messages and calm words could have easily diffused the situation, and instead we're forced to be at odds with one another. Instead of coming to an agreement and proposing a solution that benefits both ends, we're both stuck at a loss because of your egos. Don't either of you think for a second you have helped either cause.

But, as mentioned before, internet spaceship games.


I'm upset the pilots of Junkyard Gunners are gone dude. You guys were awesome. EDIT: I think it's more garbage that he's joined Orphanage so quickly, knowing FULL WELL many of his pilots are still in our space. I offered him a week of blue standings so that you guys could get your stuff out... what does he do? Join a hostile alliance. So yes, I had to reset you.

He doesn't think things through like this. Many of the members of your corp are expendable and he proves it time and time again.

I saw you guys as dudes behind a computer, not a number. When Armymp came in to say goodbye, I was upset to hear him go. But, names, people community are foreign to your CEO. It's all about numbers and ****ting on the people around him for personal gain. READ the links I've posted... That is your CEO.

Junkyard Gunners leaving -FA- wasn't a benefit, but if I had to weigh it out... losing Otard was.

There's a lot of shady things I could have done to retain you guys. Keeping your CEO around would have only been for my personal gain and in the long run, would have hurt FA, the alliance and the people who built it.


Below the link above is a recording when Zag came into our corp channel in the alliance ts3. I think the corp made it very clear what they thought about zagdul then. The problem was never me, it was and still is zagdul. I have spoken with every ceo prior to us leaving. I KNOW where most of the ceo's stand [especially the major corps in -FA-]. Zag, great job linking 'funny stuff' from a year ago. Shows that you lack class. How about linking something a little more recent :). Zag, maybe you should ask toll vullin to hand over all the 'we hate zag FCing' mails. I doubt he will. But i know he has it, cause it was my job to talk to all the FC's and having them send mails to toll vullin telling him how they thought about you Fc'ing. Answer: Unanaimous 'get zag out of our fleets'. Zag, your not liked- at all. You FC at the pitch of a 14 year old boy and it is very difficult to understand.
My guys are trigger happy. And we joined someone where we can get targets. If an offer in 0.0 arises that we cant refuse, we will take it. But that hasnt happend thus far. So, stop bashing The 0rphange, especially when http://ad0pt.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1794707 this happens. Good times. And it is fun, which is what we are about.


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