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Zars Boy
Posted - 2011.04.29 10:31:00 - [1]
 

As an industrialist/manufacturer/miner etc I would like some help in competing with the older established players. Many aspects of the game have been nerfed to slow down the generation of ISK. I can inderstand and even accept this as CCP is a business like many others and needs to show a profit.
What I cant understand though is why T2 BPO's have never been changed in any of the patches to give them limited runs and then expire. This would then give ALL players the same opportunity to sell T2 items. I propose that CCP either nerfs these BPO's, makes them available to all or allows the research of copies.

Adrian Idaho
Posted - 2011.04.29 11:08:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Zars Boy
As an industrialist/manufacturer/miner etc I would like some help in competing with the older established players. Many aspects of the game have been nerfed to slow down the generation of ISK. I can inderstand and even accept this as CCP is a business like many others and needs to show a profit.
What I cant understand though is why T2 BPO's have never been changed in any of the patches to give them limited runs and then expire. This would then give ALL players the same opportunity to sell T2 items. I propose that CCP either nerfs these BPO's, makes them available to all or allows the research of copies.


What an original, fresh, issue. We should discuss this in this new thread, since there are no other places to do this.

Zars Boy
Posted - 2011.04.29 16:26:00 - [3]
 

Did I detect sarcasm? Sry but I couldn't find a relevant thread, would you be so kind as to link one please if that was the case?

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.30 08:47:00 - [4]
 

Here.

Feel free to read all the 34 pages of it.
If you search a bit you can find some hundred older threads.

Zars Boy
Posted - 2011.04.30 11:36:00 - [5]
 

Thanks Buddy. I read most of it but it seems the OP uses spurious arguments to press the case for keeping them.

Van Derka
Posted - 2011.05.02 07:07:00 - [6]
 

EVE is like am MLMS, unfortunately, if you come in at any point in time, the only way to get a better return than previous entrants is to work with remaps/implants to achieve a faster SP/h and perhaps, in 5 years, catch up.
As far as ISK goes, the same applies, many niches are already filled to capacity, and the road to manufacturing at a profit is long and arduous.

T2 BPOs have long been the bane of any budding manufacturer and I gave up long ago with the manufacturing career because the cost of entry is too high, in both ISK and time.

Anyone looking at anything like a 'catch up' is deluding themselves. CCP took out the learning skills top stop players 'wasting time' skilling the learning skills, In the process, they also removed the most significant of, only 3 ways to increase SP/h rates.

The only way of leveling up the playing field is to create more situations where time in game is not as important as skills in the toon and the pilot.

For example, sites in low/nullsec which prevent access to particular ship classes, so people wanting to pvp in frigs can sit in a site knowing that only frigs will be warping in...

Resign to the fact that the rich will always get richer, and the poor will always get the picture...




Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.05.02 07:43:00 - [7]
 

Anyone complaining they can't compete against the few T2 BPO's shouldn't go industry anyways. Mostly cause they have no clue at all to start with.

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.04 19:27:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Van Derka

Resign to the fact that the rich will always get richer, and the poor will always get the picture...



I think you meant "the poor will always get poorer"....and yep, you're right, just like in real life. That's the true nature of capitalism. And being that Eve is hyper-capitalistic, that will always be the case.

Adrian Idaho
Posted - 2011.05.07 09:34:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Zars Boy
Thanks Buddy. I read most of it but it seems the OP uses spurious arguments to press the case for keeping them.

No, he doesn't. And unlike you, he actually brings forth rational arguments.

Originally by: Killer Gandry
Anyone complaining they can't compete against the few T2 BPO's shouldn't go industry anyways. Mostly cause they have no clue at all to start with.

This. If you can't figure out how to make profit with T2 production, you should go back to missioning.

Originally by: Van Derka
Resign to the fact that the rich will always get richer, and the poor will always get the picture...

Bull****. To make money in EVE, you either
  1. have to be smart,

  2. or you have to spend enough time in-game,

  3. or both.


Originally by: Van Derka
T2 BPOs have long been the bane of any budding manufacturer and I gave up long ago with the manufacturing career because the cost of entry is too high, in both ISK and time.

...
Yes, please, don't get into T2 invention. Less competition equals higher profits for me :-)

By the way: as far as I know, Akita T made most of his money by *drumroll* using his brain! That was in 2009, so rather late in the game. You know how many SPs were involved? Basically zero.
Yep, I couldn't have pulled that off, but I don't blame others for the lack of my success.

Gimpb
The Scope
Posted - 2011.05.07 13:54:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: Van Derka

Resign to the fact that the rich will always get richer, and the poor will always get the picture...



I think you meant "the poor will always get poorer"....and yep, you're right, just like in real life. That's the true nature of capitalism. And being that Eve is hyper-capitalistic, that will always be the case.


Alternatively, work your way up like everyone before you and if higher sp is what you want, buy a character via isk. SP really doesn't have that much to do with your wallet size; it's effort, organization, relationships, and intelligence. You can probably acquire more isk making skills than most old players have in a few months.

If you want to "catch up", you can do so by being smarter and/or putting in more effort. Or, you can complain, but having been around a little while, I can tell you that complaining won't get you very far around here.


 

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