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Kerianna SaintCroix
Posted - 2011.04.29 05:14:00 - [1]
 

I've heard of the CNR contract scam... But in general, is the whole idea of scamming people a simple matter of advertising a better product and hope they impulse buy without reading a bait and switch? I'd like to use the contract system, but being new and low on ISK, I'd rather not be quickly parted with by a more experienced player gaming on me.

Any tips in general regarding buy/sell contracts? I know the low-sec courier types. I've heard something about repair ones or something similar but I'm not sure.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.04.29 05:36:00 - [2]
 

All scams are based on the other side not properly reading what is being offered.

Just read the details carefully and you will be fine.

Mister Rocknrolla
Posted - 2011.04.29 15:41:00 - [3]
 


-Pay no attention to the[player-created] description of a contract

-If clicking on an advertised contract in chat, whatever is typed in chat is player-created, so again do not pay attention to it.

-Click on each (or primary) item in the contract and 'show info' to verify it is what you intend to buy.

-Pay attention to anything in red text. Recent changes make it more obvious, but the location of a contract could make it inaccessible. Or it may require you to pass through risky systems to get to. Even if you limit the contract search to high sec, the route to get there may require you to navigate a less secure system or two.

-Buying BPOs and BPCs via contract can be tricky. Again, pay attention to all statistics especially "runs remaining."

--Tip: buying pre-rigged ships can often be less costly than buying the ship and rigging it yourself.

--Tip: 90% of contract links in trade hubs' chat (99% in Jita) are scams. Don't bother. Better to do a contract search, rather than clicking on a contract link.

Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
Posted - 2011.04.29 16:09:00 - [4]
 

Find the little blue-and-white "show info" button for each contracted item, and click on it.

Also right-click on the solar system that the contract is in, and select "set destination". Close station windows, and so forth, as necessary, so hat you can see the entire route from where you currently are to the item or items in the contract (all items in any given contract will be in the same station in the same solar system).

There are two possible route dangers, one is that the item is in a low-sec or no-sec system. The other is if the item is in a high-sec "island" that you can only get to by flying through low-sec (or possibly sometimes you may have to fly through no-sec to get to some such islands, but I kinda doubt that such islands actually exist).

If the route is all high-sec, meaning 0.5 and up (and actually, 0.45 to 0.49 is safe too), and the "show info" information matches the item you want, then the only thing you have to watch out for is sorting failure, which is when you've accidentally told the EVE user interface to sort with most expensive first, but it looks like the least expensive, e.g. if the normal price for an item is 100000000 ISK then at a glance 980000000 might look cheaper. The UI seems to state prices in millions these days, so maybe you don't have to worry about this any more, but I thought I'd mention it (and it is still a risk when you buy from the Market, and in the Market you must also check that the route does not go through low-sec).

Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now.
Posted - 2011.04.29 20:47:00 - [5]
 

Well they say that "a sucker is born every second" and the amount of local scammers in trade hubs definitely proves it. YARRRR!!

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.04.30 00:08:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Salpad
There are two possible route dangers, one is that the item is in a low-sec or no-sec system. The other is if the item is in a high-sec "island" that you can only get to by flying through low-sec (or possibly sometimes you may have to fly through no-sec to get to some such islands, but I kinda doubt that such islands actually exist).

Aridia hisec islands come pretty close.

Merouk Baas
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.30 02:16:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Merouk Baas on 30/04/2011 02:18:43
Originally by: Kerianna SaintCroix
I've heard something about repair ones or something similar but I'm not sure.

CCP's trying to improve the contracts interface to eliminate scams where there's no way for you to detect that it's a scam. So, don't think it's still possible, but it used to be possible to advertise that you have a fully assembled and functional ship, but put up a ship that was at 1% hull (99% damaged) which would incur huge repair bills from the buyer.

Usually if the deal seems too good to be true, there's a scam. NOBODY will sell anything at half the price just cause. Everyone who uses either the market or the contracts system will first look to see what their item is worth, before setting up the sell order or contract.

One current practice is to reverse the ISK amounts. Contract is advertising that they want to buy a battleship and will pay 2x the price, and when you click on it, YOU buy the battleship and THEY get the 2x ISK from your wallet. Otherwise, also look for the wrong amounts of ISK (thousands instead of millions, etc.) or the ship or item not being what's advertised (they say Navy Raven but give you a plain Raven). They can also claim blueprint originals but sell you copies, or try to trick you with quantities (advertise 200 Megacyte but only have 1 Megacyte).

If you look carefully at the contract details, you should be able to spot the discrepancy. For courier contracts, you can also pay attention to WHO's originating the contract, and then search the Contracts window for contracts made by that person... see how many were completed successfully (likely legit) vs. how many were failed (possible scams). It's not an exact indicator (maybe the guy is good at tricking people), but it's an indicator.

The Forum Twins
Posted - 2011.04.30 02:19:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: The Forum Twins on 30/04/2011 02:19:31
Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Originally by: Salpad
There are two possible route dangers, one is that the item is in a low-sec or no-sec system. The other is if the item is in a high-sec "island" that you can only get to by flying through low-sec (or possibly sometimes you may have to fly through no-sec to get to some such islands, but I kinda doubt that such islands actually exist).

Aridia hisec islands come pretty close.



There are quite a few islands and let me tell you they're some of the best newb-stomping grounds in the new eden universe. Twisted Evil

At their lowsec gates, that is.

Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
Posted - 2011.04.30 02:48:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Merouk Baas
CCP's trying to improve the contracts interface to eliminate scams where there's no way for you to detect that it's a scam. So, don't think it's still possible, but it used to be possible to advertise that you have a fully assembled and functional ship, but put up a ship that was at 1% hull (99% damaged) which would incur huge repair bills from the buyer.


How is that going to incur a huge repair bill for the buyer? Assuming the contracted ship is in high-sec, just buy a small hull repaierer and a small armour repairer, fit, undock, start the small hull repairer, go AFK. Come back, turn off the small hull repairer (if it doesn't do that of its own - I'm a shield tanker so wouldn't know), then turn on the small armour repairer. Go AFK again. Come back, turn it off.

What's the expense of that? A few hundred thousand ISK at the most?

Possibly you may need to fit sone modules to improve cap recharge, to enable the repairer modules to run continously while you're AFK, but you can re-use them on the same ship or on later ships, so that's hardly an expense.

Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
Posted - 2011.04.30 02:54:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Originally by: Salpad
There are two possible route dangers, one is that the item is in a low-sec or no-sec system. The other is if the item is in a high-sec "island" that you can only get to by flying through low-sec (or possibly sometimes you may have to fly through no-sec to get to some such islands, but I kinda doubt that such islands actually exist).

Aridia hisec islands come pretty close.



Hi-jacking this thread a bit, but could there be a point in moving to one such fairly large island, and setting up business there, and just staying there, never venturing back through high-sec?

I imagine there are few players in such an island, so less competition on the local market, and also less competition for belt asteroids, missions, gravimetric sites and other exploration sites, but I'd have to bring everything with me, at least some BPOs and mining equipment (strippers, crystals, a packaged hulk, rigs) so that I can manufacture what I need (presumably it can all fit inside a T2 Deep Space Transport, or maybe even a T2 Blockage Runner).

Does that sound like a good idea, or a bad idea?

Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.04.30 06:02:00 - [11]
 

Read the contract, then reread it, and you will never be scammed.

Don't ever do station trades, those are all scams.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.05.03 06:52:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Salpad
How is that going to incur a huge repair bill for the buyer?


The scam used to work because you couldn't undock if the only thing that was keeping the ship alive were your skills (inside 25% structure damage IIRC). So people would contract or station trade such ships, and the other side HAD to pay the repair costs because they couldn't undock.

debbie harrio
Posted - 2011.05.03 09:57:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: debbie harrio on 03/05/2011 09:58:21
Originally by: foksieloy
Originally by: Salpad
How is that going to incur a huge repair bill for the buyer?


The scam used to work because you couldn't undock if the only thing that was keeping the ship alive were your skills (inside 25% structure damage IIRC). So people would contract or station trade such ships, and the other side HAD to pay the repair costs because they couldn't undock.


You were never able to contract damaged items, now you can but it informs you the amount the items are damaged in bright red.


So foolproof really.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.05.03 10:30:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: debbie harrio
You were never able to contract damaged items


I wasn't sure about that part, thanks for clarifying. I do know it was workable over station trading (as I mentioned above).

debbie harrio
Posted - 2011.05.03 11:17:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: foksieloy


I wasn't sure about that part, thanks for clarifying. I do know it was workable over station trading (as I mentioned above).


Yeah it was changed as it was a stupid mechanic, meant you couldn't contract a ship in the far reaches of space in an inaccessible station with slightly used crystals.

ISD IonCharge

Posted - 2011.05.03 12:57:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: foksieloy
you couldn't undock if the only thing that was keeping the ship alive were your skills (inside 25% structure damage IIRC). So people would contract or station trade such ships, and the other side HAD to pay the repair costs because they couldn't undock
Training up the Mechanic skill to level 5 should let you undock with any amount of damage, so long as your ship does not have negative HP.

If your ship does have negative HP, or you have insufficient skill to undock, you can simply fit armor plates to your ship, which will increase the ship's HP to a level that you will be able to undock.

If the station has no fitting service (extremely rare - generally only in 0.0 space), you can still dock a carrier-type ship, place your ship in the maintenance bay, and be on your way.

The point I'm making is, there is always an alternative to being forced into paying the repair fees.

Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.05.05 01:03:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Aiwha
Read the contract, then reread it, and you will never be scammed.

Don't ever do station trades, those are all scams.


station trades, like hauling something to Jita? Whenever I see a contract where Jita is mentioned i assume its a scam, like people ready to shoot you as you accept the contract.

TImora Fosty
Warhamsters
Posted - 2011.05.05 06:50:00 - [18]
 

There is no way to scam you with a contract if you have read it carefully. The worst thing can happen is you courier contract can be stolen, so always place bond similar to the price of items in the contract.
And never use direct trade if you have bad ping.

Enu Zembasi
Posted - 2011.05.05 08:56:00 - [19]
 

Once someone from my corp bought well fitted hulk from contracts for 190m. When he finalized it, it turned out to be Covetor. He was like... unhappy about that and was like "But I saw it and it was hulk! WTF!", he might even been close to ragequit, but then he posted it in chat - turns out it was Hulk named Covetor and seller only trolled, instead of scamming.Rolling Eyes

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
Posted - 2011.05.05 10:10:00 - [20]
 

A lot of contract scams in Jita at the moment with people saying they are selling their stock in some mineral.

If you double check the prices in the contract they have x10 the proie of what you will end up paying.

Just READ the contract... then READ it again! Double check what the prices say and what you are expecting to pay!

Jose Black
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.05.05 10:18:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Enu Zembasi
[..] turns out it was Hulk named Covetor and seller only trolled, instead of scamming.Rolling Eyes
Hahaha! Nice one!


 

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