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ceaon
Posted - 2011.04.26 09:26:00 - [1]
 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1380383/Godrej-Boyce-Worlds-typewriter-factory-closes-doors-Mumbai.html
the last pillar of QWERTY have fallen down, now there no reasons to keep QWERTY alive, maybe just maybe there will be Dvorak for the masses, who knows if that will ever happen, but i am happy Laughing

celebrate whit me this day Very HappyVery HappyVery Happy die QWERTY die !!!!!

Ravenzfire
Caldari
New Eden Scientific Association
Posted - 2011.04.26 14:11:00 - [2]
 

Except that most people have learned to type on a QWERTY setup and aren't going to want to relearn to type on a different system. So it might faze out eventually but it'll still be some time before that happens yet and it will come with younger generations and only if they change the style of typing that is taught.

I've never used a Dvorak keyboard so I can't speak on which is better, but QWERTY works just fine for me :)

Also, WASD :P

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.26 14:12:00 - [3]
 

Considering that all you have to do is just rearrange your keys and select a different keyboard layout... meh.

Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Emminent Terraforming
O.G.-Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.26 14:34:00 - [4]
 

what advantage does dvorak have over QWERTY?

everybody is still trained to type on QWERTY and unlike the Metric System Dvorak is not superior to the older method.

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2011.04.26 14:50:00 - [5]
 

It took me about five years to touch type. Long live QWERTY! The French keyboard is annoying as you have to Shift + a key to get a full stop.

ceaon
Posted - 2011.04.26 15:05:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: ceaon on 26/04/2011 15:06:01
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
what advantage does dvorak have over QWERTY?


QWERTy was made so when you type on a machine, the machine dont **** up, if u get a old type machine press 2 key almost on same time and see the result
dvorak layout for Romanian layout allow to type faster compared to qwertz
stats in here
qwertz --- dvorak
Quote:
FRECVENŢA PE GRUPURI DE TASTE
cifre: 32518 1.66%
sus: 999835 51.03%
home: 516205 26.35%
jos: 410649 20.96%
total māna stāngă: 987220 50.39%
total māna dreaptă: 971987 49.61%
pozitia de bază: 466957 23.83% cifre: 20933 1.07%
sus: 453914 23.20%
home: 1309848 66.95%
jos: 171756 8.78%
total māna stāngă: 844983 43.19%
total māna dreaptă: 1111468 56.81%
pozitia de bază: 1132937 57.91%
FRECVENŢA PE DEGETE
stānga_mic 187930 9.59%
stānga_inelar 93191 4.76%
stānga_mijloc 380043 19.40%
stānga_index 326056 16.64%
dreapta_index 320741 16.37%
dreapta_mijloc 207903 10.61%
dreapta_inelar 206317 10.53%
dreapta_mic 237026 12.10% stānga_mic 109099 5.58%
stānga_inelar 193212 9.88%
stānga_mijloc 240506 12.29%
stānga_index 302166 15.44%
dreapta_index 331566 16.95%
dreapta_mijloc 317949 16.25%
dreapta_inelar 290925 14.87%
dreapta_mic 171028 8.74%
DRUM PARCURS
drum deget 1: 30764.00 0.89%
drum deget 2: 21661.00 0.63%
drum deget 3: 677003.50 19.55%
drum deget 4: 709466.00 20.49%
drum deget 8: 733116.00 21.17%
drum deget 7: 428736.00 12.38%
drum deget 6: 277606.00 8.02%
drum deget 5: 584895.50 16.89%
drum māna stāngă: 1438894.50 41.55%
drum māna dreaptă: 2024353.50 58.45%
drum total: 3463248.00 drum deget 1: 73096.00 4.03%
drum deget 2: 177533.50 9.80%
drum deget 3: 234551.50 12.94%
drum deget 4: 382057.50 21.08%
drum deget 8: 343685.50 18.96%
drum deget 7: 210140.00 11.59%
drum deget 6: 253608.00 13.99%
drum deget 5: 137758.00 7.60%
drum māna stāngă: 867238.50 47.85%
drum māna dreaptă: 945191.50 52.15%
drum total: 1812430.00
ALŢI INDICATORI
alternări mānă 728861 37.20%
ordine greşită totale 314585 16.06%
ordine corectă totale 518476 26.46%
cuvinte doar cu stānga 15524
cuvinte doar cu dreapta 11717
caractere negăsite : 1497 0.08%
tastări cu SHIFT : 27388 1.40%
sărituri cu degetul: 651177 33.24%
sărituri cu māna : 601424 30.70% alternări mānă 1071920 54.79%
ordine greşită totale 186220 9.52%
ordine corectă totale 301051 15.39%
cuvinte doar cu stānga 225
cuvinte doar cu dreapta 6169
caractere negăsite : 4253 0.22%
tastări cu SHIFT : 24347 1.24%
sărituri cu degetul: 390438 19.96%
sărituri cu māna : 285455 14.59%
TOTAL CARACTERE:1959207 TOTAL CARACTERE:1956451

GM Horse

Posted - 2011.04.26 17:06:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
what advantage does dvorak have over QWERTY?

everybody is still trained to type on QWERTY and unlike the Metric System Dvorak is not superior to the older method.


This is actually incorrect, you have to move your hand and fingers only a third of what you have to do with QWERTY. You also have to bend you hand and fingers way less, so it is significantly superior.

It's just that most people (myself included) don't care enough to relearn to type from scratch. Razz

Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Posted - 2011.04.26 21:44:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
what advantage does dvorak have over QWERTY?

everybody is still trained to type on QWERTY and unlike the Metric System Dvorak is not superior to the older method.

Actually it is.

The reasons have already been mentioned (QWERTY was designed to not jam the typewriter, and dvorak is designed to minimize finger movement).

What I wanted to add is this : Why is almost every keyboard still tilted instead of adjusted to your hands and fingers?

Example 1 : "Ergonomic Keyboard" (bad)
Example 2 : Ergonomic keyboard (good)

Notice how the the keys are aligned in what is usually considered to be an ergonomic keyboard compared to one that actually is an ergonomic keyboard.

One interesting thing about the first one is that 6 is in the wrong place, since it's too difficult to reach from the correct finger. This is because it's tilted.

Toshiro GreyHawk
Posted - 2011.04.27 04:02:00 - [9]
 



Yeah, those Microsoft Ergonomic keyboards saved my career. I had braces on my wrists and had to type using pencils with big erasers on one end and socks wrapped around the other to cushion my hands. That and take a lot of naproxin (Aleve).

The original MS Ergonomic keyboards had a panel in the front you could flip down to raise the FRONT of the keyboard - all to help keep your wrists in a straight line so you didn't develop carpal tunnel syndrome.

It took three months for my wrists to heal after getting the MS KB's (I got several for both home and work) but after that I was fine. If I really do a lot of typing I can still start feeling a little sore now but it takes a lot. Then all I have to do is lay off for a few days and I'm fine.


Now one of the other problems people of my age had - was that we had been trained to type on type writers. The type writer keys have a much longer throw than the keys on a computer keyboard - so that while you only need to tap a computer keyboard lightly to type we were in the habit of pounding on the keys, hitting them much harder than they needed to be hit and thus bottoming out and sending all that extra force back into our fingers and hands. People who've never used a type writer don't have that problem.


As to QWERTY - it's probably here to stay - for the same reason the railroads are the same width as the back sides of two Roman mules ...


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Enraged Stoat
Posted - 2011.04.27 04:58:00 - [10]
 

Much lies about QWERTY vs DVORAK.

Paper by two university professors researching qwerty v dvorak

tl;dr

1. qwerty was never designed to slow down typists, urban myth. It was designed to place frequently hit keys far enough apart such that mechanicals wouldn't jam - placement does not translate to any appreciable speed loss for touch typists.
2. research showing dvorak as superior (speed or ergonomically) is sparse and methodologically suspect.
3. at least one study indicates that placing commonly used keys far apart actually speeds typing

Even the most dvorak favorable test comes back barely 9% faster. Me personally I CBA after so long with qwerty. But go knock yourself out if you think it's worth it.

GM Horse

Posted - 2011.04.27 10:15:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: GM Horse on 27/04/2011 10:15:20
Originally by: Enraged Stoat
Much lies about QWERTY vs DVORAK.

Paper by two university professors researching qwerty v dvorak

tl;dr

1. qwerty was never designed to slow down typists, urban myth. It was designed to place frequently hit keys far enough apart such that mechanicals wouldn't jam - placement does not translate to any appreciable speed loss for touch typists.
2. research showing dvorak as superior (speed or ergonomically) is sparse and methodologically suspect.
3. at least one study indicates that placing commonly used keys far apart actually speeds typing

Even the most dvorak favorable test comes back barely 9% faster. Me personally I CBA after so long with qwerty. But go knock yourself out if you think it's worth it.


The speed is not really the main factor - The ergonomics are. Typing on a QWERTY keyboard involves a lot of hand-stretching and unnecessary finger-moving. This really is quite a big deal, especially for office workers which might type at a keyboard for eight hours a day - This places them at a very big threat of RSI.

Xtreem
Gallente
The Collective
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.04.27 20:58:00 - [12]
 

i'll be sticking to QWERTY.. thanks :)

Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2011.04.27 21:18:00 - [13]
 

I tried the Dvorak layout once, didn't really like it.
I don't type that much, I don't need more speed and I think a layout that promotes finger movement is actually more ergonomic. Exercise helps every other body part, why not the fingers.

The only large area for improvement is the placement of common symbols, I don't like having to use shift for them.


 

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