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Tek'a Rain
Gallente
Collegium Mechanicae
Posted - 2011.04.22 01:23:00 - [1]
 

Heya forum, hope this is an acceptable place to put this.

I have a old monster of a computer as my main rig, and it has served me Ok through the years, but when the time comes that i can't even successfully create a character image it must mean it is time for upgrades.


So: Replacement Desktop. I am not hopeless when it comes to electronics, so self-assembly is an option, but whether it is home-built or off-the-shelf or custom ordered, What do I need to look for in a modern desktop that has the horsepower to run eve today and into the future? I am not terribly wealthy, so a balance of frugality and power has to exist somewhere.

Would rather have a link or real answers then "get komputer dat is gud. them are gud komputer" non-advice.Very Happy

Blacksquirrel
Posted - 2011.04.22 01:55:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 22/04/2011 01:56:27
You need to give a price limit first then we can help you. Until then broke to me is different to broke you...and acceptable running conditions is also subjective.

But price limit first then we better help you.

^
And no hardware does have a life span, and cycle time.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.04.22 01:57:00 - [3]
 

A) budget.
B) your current specs. if you have a C2D/C2Q (something on the 6xxx and up) for example you might not need that much of an upgrade.

Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.04.22 02:00:00 - [4]
 

Can't really go wrong with an i5/7 and one of the lower end GTX4x0/GTX5x0 as far as bang for buck goes. Start there and build the rest of the system around that. Make sure and get enough power supply.

But yes, your budget would help.

Menzisu Uiru
Posted - 2011.04.22 02:12:00 - [5]
 

Yeah get one of the new sandy bridge intel processcors, thay're awesome. Make sure the socket type is LGA 1155. If Eve is your main game, def go nvida over ati since the geforce cards have physx which incarna will supposedly take advantage of.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.22 02:37:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 22/04/2011 02:45:10

Somewhere around the mid-line budget but still more than quite decent would be something like this... randomly put together on newegg, just the "tower"...

GIGABYTE GV-R577UD-1GD Radeon HD 5770 1GB -> ~130$
AMD Phenom II X4 840 3.2GHz -> ~110$
WDC Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s -> ~90$
MSI 870S-G46 AM3 -> ~85$
OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W -> ~70$
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 -> ~48$
random halfway decent case -> ~35$
Bulk DVD-burner on SATA -> ~20$
TOTAL : ~588$

Feel free to downgrade the CPU (don't really need it that much), HDD (reusing whatever you have might work fine too) and/or PSU (probably even a 450W PSU will do fine if you don't plan on going SLI mode nor overclocking) if you want a cheaper machine... and feel free to get a different heatsink if you don't like the stock ones provided (if you don't want to overclock and you don't live in a tropical country with no AC on, stock should be fine).


On the slightly higher end, i5 2500 sandybridge and whatever mobo picks your fancy (350-400$ just for those two instead of under 200$), a decently sized SSD (another 100$ or so extra) for the OS/installs drive, 8 GB of RAM (maybe faster RAM too, so 50-100$ extra), a larger PSU (700W should be fine, 800W if you plan on overclocking, so call that an extra 30-70$ or so), at least a 1GB 460 GTX (_NOT_ SE) if not even a 560 GTX Ti (so either ~180$ or ~250$), for around 870-1080$ or thereabouts.

Or, you know, mix and match. Initial machine with 460 GTX would be quite nice and only slightly more expensive.

...

Deffo' need a budget from you.

ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.04.22 02:45:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: ivar R''dhak on 22/04/2011 02:47:22
Yeah, get one of them AMD processors, they donīt have the advanced big brother "remote kill switch" technologies the newest intel crap has.

Otherwise stay in the middle price range.

With the current Incarna docking drama, Iīd even advise you to get an SSD drive(next to a normal HDD) to install the EVE client on alongside your OS.
And donīt skimp on the memory if you want to run multiple clients in the future. I once thought 4 gig would be enough, but Iīm not that sure anymore. ugh

Erichk Knaar
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.04.22 03:16:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: ivar R'dhak
Edited by: ivar R''dhak on 22/04/2011 02:47:22
Yeah, get one of them AMD processors, they donīt have the advanced big brother "remote kill switch" technologies the newest intel crap has.


Yeah, because adopting dead evolutionary trees is smart. :notroll:

Tek'a Rain
Gallente
Collegium Mechanicae
Posted - 2011.04.22 03:31:00 - [9]
 

Its a Dell XPS 600, bottom end of its options (i am told it was amazing back in "the day")

Pentium D 3.2ghz, 2gigs ram (max for this mobo i am told)

NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS, picked for cheapness due to having a gift card (replacing the 256MB NVIDIA GeForce 6800 that recently died while trying to run the character creator, funny enough)

Stack of big HDDs i would port over, nothing wrong with those.

And since it is original Dell engineering, the special backwards and upside-down inverted motherboard cannot be swapped with anything newer, and the PSU is only Exactly enough to run it anyhow.


And as for Budget, well.. i am trying to find out the price range for things that are needed. This will determine the amount of time spent eating ramen and avoiding my landlord required to make up the required cash. Maybe $500? if that is the kind of money that would put me in a functional ballpark?

Tek'a Rain
Gallente
Collegium Mechanicae
Posted - 2011.04.22 03:45:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 22/04/2011 02:45:10

Somewhere around the mid-line budget but still more than quite decent would be something like this... >snip<


This is the kinda thing I was looking for! "this is a list of things that would work, fiddle with some of the details for your needs" Thanks Akita T! If I keep seeing things like this I just might change my opinion about you caldari.

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.22 06:53:00 - [11]
 

Moved from 'EVE General Discussion', trolling comments removed.


Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.04.22 07:41:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Tek'a Rain
Its a Dell XPS 600, bottom end of its options (i am told it was amazing back in "the day")

Pentium D 3.2ghz, 2gigs ram (max for this mobo i am told)

NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS, picked for cheapness due to having a gift card (replacing the 256MB NVIDIA GeForce 6800 that recently died while trying to run the character creator, funny enough)

Stack of big HDDs i would port over, nothing wrong with those.

And since it is original Dell engineering, the special backwards and upside-down inverted motherboard cannot be swapped with anything newer, and the PSU is only Exactly enough to run it anyhow.


And as for Budget, well.. i am trying to find out the price range for things that are needed. This will determine the amount of time spent eating ramen and avoiding my landlord required to make up the required cash. Maybe $500? if that is the kind of money that would put me in a functional ballpark?



hmm.... akita's seem to be a good option.

also is your 8400 GS AGP or PCI-E? if PCI-E, you could salvage it on the mobo Akita gindicates and transform it in a dedicated physx processor with a few hacks.

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.04.22 08:41:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Alpheias on 22/04/2011 08:42:38
Originally by: ivar R'dhak
Edited by: ivar R''dhak on 22/04/2011 02:47:22
Yeah, get one of them AMD processors, they donīt have the advanced big brother "remote kill switch" technologies the newest intel crap has.


As usual you blow hot air out of your ass than seeing what it is there for.

ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.04.22 14:13:00 - [14]
 

As usual you just know how to troll instead of contributing to the thread. And show your ample ignorance of how the real world works.

"Hardware options" like these WILL be exploited. Either by the oh so benevolent authoritah or some script kiddy.

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.22 15:30:00 - [15]
 

Quote:
also is your 8400 GS AGP or PCI-E? if PCI-E, you could salvage it on the mobo Akita gindicates and transform it in a dedicated physx processor with a few hacks.


the 8400 is a PCI-e card however it is one grade under what you need to make the character creator function, a 8600 actually lets the character creator function. You have some options here on what you want to do, I personally dont like the 5770 because its not the best price per performance. You might have better luck with something like a GTX 440 for $70 or 450 for $120. I think you can squeeze another few years out of your Pentium D if you want.


Now if you want to get a new computer to play newer games on higher settings there is an option for that too.

i suggest you look at the guide for price ranges
http://www.pcper.com/hwlb

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.04.22 16:17:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Lithalnas
Quote:
also is your 8400 GS AGP or PCI-E? if PCI-E, you could salvage it on the mobo Akita gindicates and transform it in a dedicated physx processor with a few hacks.


the 8400 is a PCI-e card however it is one grade under what you need to make the character creator function, a 8600 actually lets the character creator function.


point taken. I guess the only thing he can salvage here is the harddrives.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.22 16:34:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Lithalnas
Quote:
also is your 8400 GS AGP or PCI-E? if PCI-E, you could salvage it on the mobo Akita gindicates and transform it in a dedicated physx processor with a few hacks.

the 8400 is a PCI-e card however it is one grade under what you need to make the character creator function

I read that as he meaning to use it alongside the 5770, not instead of it, _just_ as a physx accelerator, not as rendering video card.
Extra processing power should never hurt... should it ?

Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.04.22 18:19:00 - [18]
 

Buy decent video card like nVidia GTS 250, make sure you have 500 watt or better power supply, and you are good for another two years.

You can still find 9800GT cards around, they are a little cheaper, but I am not sure they are worth the price different when compared to GTS 250.

Don't bother with GT 240.

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.04.22 18:54:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: ivar R'dhak
As usual you just know how to troll instead of contributing to the thread. And show your ample ignorance of how the real world works.

"Hardware options" like these WILL be exploited. Either by the oh so benevolent authoritah or some script kiddy.


And you? You are saying that you are making so much more sense when your opinion and argument (nice strawman there, btw) is based more on your irrational fear of the "authoritah" that you are incapable of differ up from down, down from up.

ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.04.22 20:30:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Alpheias
..trolling and loosing..

I rest my case, now stop dissing the OP by not saying anything helpful and go stalk me in another thread.
I even made it totally easy for you by creating a thread where you can accuse me of supporting incest and pedophilia.

Now.. go...

Tek'a Rain
Gallente
Collegium Mechanicae
Posted - 2011.04.22 22:17:00 - [21]
 

thanks CCP Spitfire, for the move and whatnot.

a few more opinions, thanks folks. Going to scribble down the lot of them and start shopping and virtually building.

Now all i need is a case shaped like a Dominix, and some flashdrive drone models..

Astroka
Posted - 2011.04.23 09:10:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Astroka on 23/04/2011 09:45:04
Edited by: Astroka on 23/04/2011 09:11:50
Akita T's rig looks pretty solid with plenty of bang for your buck, but personally I'd advise (if you're willing to spend a little extra) to get a little more RAM, maybe 6 or 8GB total, since as it is now running the Captain's Quarters, Chrome, and Windows 7, plus whatever background tasks are going on uses roughly 3GB on my computer. No telling how much full-fledged Incarna will use.

Also, for $20 you could upgrade the video card to a GTX 550 Ti, which offers a (from what I've seen) ~20% performance increase over the 5770. Buying it from EVGA's website will get you one factory OC'd with a three-year parts and labor warranty, which can be extended by registering it online. Hardware Compare says that (going from specifications, not benchmarks) the GTX 550 Ti should perform, in their three categories, 28%, 18%, and 59% faster, while using 7% more power...

Comparison

Edited for clarity and such.


 

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