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Noriti
Posted - 2011.04.21 21:37:00 - [1]
 

Hi guys, I recently moved in to BH C4 wh and was wondering how can I use adventages that this system gives?

Ship velocity +66%
Inertia +68%
Optimal, fallof, missile velocity -34%

I'm thinking that maybe it will be good to use some close range stuff, like HAMs instead of HMLs on 3 tengus? Also tengus could be replaced with any other sub cap, so please share your thoughs.

Thanks in advance.

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.21 23:38:00 - [2]
 

Disclaimer: I ****ing hate black hole systems, pain in the ass to get in warp to gank someone or get moving away from a hole. Only good for running away once up to speed, and maybe ensuring annoyingly agile tengus don't actually warp off when you decloak on them.

Are your tengus local tanking the c4s, or RR? Because if RR I'd stick with HMs and you'll need to be extra careful you stay within each other's rep range. If local tanked and packing ABs, maybe go HAMs but afaik the spawns are still very far apart, sleepers still web from range, you won't want to be flying towards them to start doing any damage, and HAMs have issues against the frigs and cruisers.
I think I'd pack HMs and ABs, with decent flying it probably allows you to be far less pimped for the tanks, or give one mid over for a painter/web to help apply dps.

Just a thought, any plans to use ganglinks?

Dhaliparton
Posted - 2011.04.22 01:09:00 - [3]
 

noriti, you looking for peeps?

Noriti
Posted - 2011.04.22 09:25:00 - [4]
 

We currently have 2 tengus and 1 nighthawk with harmonizing link.
NH is fitted just for buffer tank, and here is tengus fit:

[Tengu, Tengu rr gang]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Target Painter II
Photon Scattering Field II

Large Shield Transporter II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix


1150 omnti tank from one shield transfer, 470 dps. Tank is with link active.

I am thinking about changing painter for ab (mwd maybe?). It is also 53% cap stable to negate sleepers neuting, missile range is 86.5km on eft but i think it is less in game due to missile acceleration time.

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.22 10:07:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 22/04/2011 10:09:32
An mwd will break your cap even if you're not using it, and break your tank from the sig bloom if you are, and you don't need the speed.

I'd consider something like this:
[Tengu, Tengu rr gang better?]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

10MN Afterburner II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Photon Scattering Field II

Large Shield Transporter II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix


The AB is very effective for tanking and helps you all move about to be sure of being in RR range. The elec SS now allows you to lock as far as your missiles go - yes there's the ~10% acceleration range thing but I don't know why you were rigging for more range, unless your skills are very low. I'd even consider swapping that EM resist rig for a flare/rigor, I don't know which is best for general use against the frigs, cruisers and BSs.

Edit: why did you have that buffer mod? You're with shield reps, they come in at the start of the cycle, you don't need any more buffer afaik, and especially with the AB and transversal.

Noriti
Posted - 2011.04.22 11:24:00 - [6]
 

I am using LSE because i used this-

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/37716-Class-6-WH-4-5-tengu-gang.html

-as starting build.

Kerowyn's
Posted - 2011.04.22 12:04:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Kerowyn''s on 22/04/2011 12:06:44
[Tengu, wh c6]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Target Painter II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Ignore the title because I changed the fit from what we use in c6, but you might find this fit a lil better.

Noriti
Posted - 2011.04.22 14:41:00 - [8]
 

Thanks for suggestions guys, but maybe something outside of tengu's will be acceptable, sub capital though.

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.22 17:02:00 - [9]
 

Well it really is a horrible effect what with the reduced optimal/flight time(probably the reason you had that rig now I think about it, but the AB is the better solution). BSs require a lot more RR to keep up in a c4 even if their weapons have the range and dps, I don't think anyone's going to suggest medium hybrids, so apart from missiles you're looking at a legion who's scorch range bonus is cancelled out and might even need to fit beams. Confused

Kerowyn's
Posted - 2011.04.22 22:20:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Kerowyn''s on 22/04/2011 22:28:52
Edited by: Kerowyn''s on 22/04/2011 22:24:24
stick with tengu's unless you want to do the cheap drake route, no dont have fits for those, hopefully they will sort out the changing subs at a pos so you can adapt your fits for next doors.

C4s are from what I have been reading, a ****ty class of wh to be in, so maybe get another wh, ... cant think of the corp that did that selling wh's and handy app...

will find it.

http://www.wormnav.com/

Test Build
Posted - 2011.04.23 05:52:00 - [11]
 

Have you done C4's since the neut changes? I'm asking because on the radars I cap out pretty quickly with the 4 BS all on 1 target. It stays that way until 2-3 of the sleeper BS are down. I have dual carrier support so it's not like it matters much.

HAMs are going to put you well inside neut range. (seems to be about 35-40kms)

If I had to, I'd probably go with local tank, fury heavies and an AB to stay the hell away from them. 3 tengus will still make short work of the incoming frigs.

-34% Velo would still give you about 60kms?

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.23 09:49:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 23/04/2011 09:50:04
Originally by: Kerowyn's
C4s are from what I have been reading, a ****ty class of wh to be in...

http://www.wormnav.com/
That's my corpmate Splodger's site ugh

A c4 as a home isn't the end of the world, it's having a static c4 that'd be worse imho because they can't easily be soloed, one whole type of c4 anom was broken for at least a year, and the statics they most likely have make getting to k-space awkward. so having a static something else would be fine, but a BH ain't fun for a home either.


 

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