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Mortania
Minmatar
No Compromise
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.04.20 05:32:00 - [31]
 

I'll go one further, I think they're fools for not doing microtransactions/RMT. Many people have more money than time (not everyone). These people will always value spending money over spending time. Which is, as we're discussing, completely reasonable.

I'm not sure why they're leaving so much money on the table.

OFFICERoftheLawL
Posted - 2011.04.20 05:40:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Mortania
I'll go one further, I think they're fools for not doing microtransactions/RMT. Many people have more money than time (not everyone). These people will always value spending money over spending time. Which is, as we're discussing, completely reasonable.

I'm not sure why they're leaving so much money on the table.


thats a pretty solid question. The whine from the section 8 crew would be epic. However, following the old saying "if you can't beat them, join them". They would probably eliminate the botting and illegal RMTs as they would be forced to bring their prices lower than CCP to even entice someone to do something that could get their account banned, which would shrink their profit margin even more. It could however, **** off alot of people and do more harm than good in the long run.

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.04.20 05:43:00 - [33]
 

wtb job I can work at 23/7, and not pay ridiculous amounts of tax.
Oh wait they don't exist you ****ing ******

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.04.20 05:46:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 20/04/2011 05:48:27
Originally by: death klokk
Well to be fair, CCP wasn't getting any of the RMT action. Lets keep it real. RMTs for isk were happening already and still do even with the implementation of the GTC for isk system. If they were to take it away tomorrow, they would cut their incomes resulting in less money for development (lol) , less money for server upgrades , etc etc.. In the end, i think they had to do it. Im glad they did though.

I don't think they had to do it, they were just being pragmatic - after all, what other game allows this? Effectually the result is that everyone engages in microtransactions and character trade and pays CCP `taxes` for it.

I'd rather that they made more money by improving the game and make it more attractive for new players. As someone said, EVE may have 120k customers who all have multiple alt/botting accounts instead of 360k subscribers.
Originally by: OFFICERoftheLawL
However, following the old saying "if you can't beat them, join them".

Sure. Do like some asian mmorpgs: let people hire bots for a plex a month, since they can't beat them .. ! I think you should make at least try to keep it a game and not a "buy everything for IRL money" game.


Mortania
Minmatar
No Compromise
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.04.20 05:51:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Jennifer Starling
As someone said, EVE may have 120k customers who all have multiple alt/botting accounts instead of 360k subscribers.



I suspect this is very close to true. I believe the average number of accounts for people, who go past 14 days, is close to or over 2. Just read the forums, it is ASSUMED that you will have an alt for dealing with afk cloakers, or scouting for a freighter run, or running ore for your orca op, or whatever. For each person that I know that only runs one account I know another that runs 4. Isn't it common advice that 3 accounts running PI is the right amount to make the PLEX numbers work? There was another person in a thread on the front page right now who peaked at 8. My own peak was around that as well.

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.04.20 05:55:00 - [36]
 

Yes, please do as OP says, PLEX prices are a bit too high for my liking.

McRoll
Minmatar
Heatseekers
Posted - 2011.04.20 07:14:00 - [37]
 

You forget some things in your considerations, OP:

1)If you dont make money ingame for your shiny ships, the "felt" value of your ships is next to nothing, because you worked half an hour for it IRL. If you grinded for many hours to buy said ship, it has far more value to you because you know that you "worked" for it.

2)The more people sell PLEX, the more ISK is accumulated in people's wallets, rendering many ships useless because nobody would fly T1 if he could just sell a couple of PLEX and fly around in T2 or faction BS all the time. Getting ISK via PLEX is way easier than making ISK with professions ingame, leading to point 3.

3)Because of the easy way of selling PLEX, many ingame options are rendered useless. Careers and ways of playing like hauling, salvaging or ninja- salvaging, exploration, ratting, mining etc. are rendered less profitable or outright useless because of low-income compared to selling PLEX. (Yes i know that mining and ratting is mostly rendered useless by botting)

4)Having lots of ISK actually makes the game more dull in my opinion. If you dont care for the value of your ingame assets, the game simply gets boring. What makes the game interesting and exciting for me is actually the combination of PvP and aquiring wealth and managing my assets. This involves thinking of how and where make my ISK and how and on what I spend them on. Makes the options ingame more versatile instead of undocking, getting blown up, dock, buy another expendable vessel, rinse and repeat.

5)When people can acquire lots of ISK easily, having intended "high-end" ships becomes not an option but a necessity. If you cannot afford them, you simply have lost, because most players fly them. So you are required to either bot or sell PLEX to remain competitive.

The only thing I agree with you is that grinding for ISK for weeks and wasting your time not having fun is stupid. The problem is that most people seem not to be able to have fun with less than perfect skills, ships and billions of ISK. They always want to be the best and this is why they cheat, bot, and get those advantages by any means necessary. In doing so, they actually ruin the game for themselves by limiting it to a "grind of mindless PvP" instead of using all the options the game has to offer.

Balance is everything, it's fine when some people sell PLEX or GTC, but if everybody would jump on this train, this would quickly break the game I believe.

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.04.20 07:22:00 - [38]
 

Actualy a couple of "games" and services allow you to basicaly buy-sell with some kind of mechanism for RMT transactions, from the blatant (Lindex) and SOEs "Live gamer" to the oddly restricted Plex system of Eve

heck Even WoW has a psudo rmt thing going on now with thoes trading cards that have ingame item codes that sell on Ebay.

Schopkar
Posted - 2011.04.20 07:43:00 - [39]
 

What fascinates me the most are those that consider it free play if you pay by ISK grinding. I shouldn't complain though since I will happily pay for ISK whenever I need it. Flying all the shiny ships and having great amounts of ISK isn't a goal in itself for me. As others have mentioned, I'm motivated by other stuff. I'm not that much into PvP which leaves me with the PvE options. Basically all those are of interest to me whether it is mining, trading, hauling or w/e. The mission for me is never the best ISK/hr, ingame play can never beat what I get on a paycheck.

Just to give an example, when mining my goal might be more of the kind to setup efficient operations for a group of people or a corp. Organizing hauling, refining, selling and all that to increase general efficiency is what interests me in that case. The fact that I'm pulling in some ISK on the side is more of a secondary objective. Those kind of ops require skills, and that's where the GTC come in handy. Grinding with crappy mining ships just to get to the part I want to explore doesn't seem like a good option to me.

In general, when I'm all set with my current activities I usually make enough ISK to at least fill my ingame needs. Sometimes I get enough to pay for accounts, sometimes I need to chip in money for that. Main point is that GTC allows me to focus on what I consider fun instead of forcing me to do boring stuff. I would most likely quit the game if I was forced to play under to harsh conditions.


Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.04.20 07:44:00 - [40]
 

ok guys, one last time*

ever since they allowed you to buy Gametime from them and trade it to other players for isk, you have been playing a free to play microtransaction game.

they have finaly after all this time announced something that some of us have been waiting for them to do for literaly years now when they announced that the "central bank" would buy and sell plex for isk.

well frankly I call BS on the "sell Plex for isk" part of that. frankly they could simply do other things that act as ISK sinks without addint in the bookkeeping nightmare that seeling Plex for ISK would be for them. but frankly they would be total idiots to not buy plex for isk, just set the sinks to overdrain the economy, heck they can probably do it without anyone realy noticeing now.

lets be blunt, the new features in the future? I suspect that roughly half will be npc suplied on some level, (clothing dies for just one item, furnature for player houseing, rent for player houseing, and so on... oops more and more ISK sinks! too may isk sinks = need for CCP to step in and buy up all thoes Plexies bloating the market, and Plexes that CCP buys off the market = Cash flowing from the liability side of the legers and into there checking accounts.)

*Yes I know, Im kidding myself.

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.20 07:50:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: death klokk
Steps for success:

tl;dr: Buy GTCs, your time is worth more than 5$ an hour... i think.


we aren't in the USA... we get 700 per month, single, finance and investment, BA MA in banking...

in SOVIET RUSSIA USD EARNS YOU

death klokk
Posted - 2011.04.20 08:01:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: McRoll
You forget some things in your considerations, OP:
...



1. a dollar earned is dollar saved - i agree

2. i disagree here. I know a couple top 50 BC pilots that regularly fly t2 fitted t1 ships. Many corps run ops they expect to lose everything on and tell everyone to fit cheap because they know they'll be coming back in pods. Alot of people fly t1 ships because of the insurance payout will help recoup their losses regardless of how much isk they have.

3. I disagree here. If everyone started selling plex. Careers like mining and salvaging will see an increase in payout. If everyone sold plex, who's gonna build the ships/mods they want to buy? Where will the minerals come from? Where will the salvage to produce rigs come from? Supply and demand. If everyone quit mining tonight, eve mineral prices would skyrocket due to lack of supply and increase in demand.

4. I partially disagree here. Yes, people would be more intent on flying around blowing things up, getting blown up rinse and repeating all night. However, killboard stat junkies still won't want to clutter their killboards with unnecessary losses. Some of the most frugal people i know irl, make 10x as much money as I do because people simply just don't throw away their money, regardless of how hard they worked for it. People may be inclined to do riskier things with their ships, sure, but is that a bad thing? More people frequenting low-sec & 0.0 seems ok with me.

5. This is absolute false. With this logic, newbies shouldn't bother with the game because even though they can afford the ship; They lack the skills necessary to fly them effectively making them useless when its a known fact that even the lowest skilled rookie pilot in a t1 frig has his uses as a scout/tackle whatever.

you have points that many will agree with, but there still are counters to them. I think what holds this game back from getting millions of subs is the epic grind and harsh consequences. Don't get me wrong, I love that about the game and wouldn't change a thing, but someone like myself simply can't be bothered grinding away for hours/days/weeks for something that I can lose in a split second.

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.04.20 08:12:00 - [43]
 

Good post Smile Grinding for isk for the most part is boring as feck. And detracts from the things that are fun. If everyone was buying PLEX and selling it, the PLEX market would go down the toilet though.

JitaBUGz TheGreat
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.04.20 08:15:00 - [44]
 

Plex/GTC for isk has ruined some aspects of eve. Take for instance Pirating. I have been in a few pirate corps in my time in eve. But recently I do not eve bother anymore. They are all gate gankers(fun but not pirating), the days of ransoming have ended with the ease of buying plex.

Some one also mentioned the personal worth of a ship, with plex-there is none. Back when I saved up for my Dramiel, and DareDevil. They lasted forever(to this day accually). But the few i have bought with plex isk have burned in a untearfull mindless pvp rampages...lol.

For me, buying plex is no problem when it comes to the bank account. The time I did buy plex kind of ruined my fun for a while, the thrill of pvp really left. I for one am not a huge fan of mission grinding, and am less of a fan of 0.0 grinding. But that is part of the game, and in a game were pvp is thought out, planned, and has to be executed in a not so half ass way, earning a ship makes u think twice about what you are about to do.

But I will thank plex for the one guy that brought about 4 navy fit/navy domis through our gate in about 20 minutes, and to all the rest of you for flying those nicely fit ships into my Friday nite t1 rifter blog-fear the noob train...lol

Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2011.04.20 08:26:00 - [45]
 

Or get a bot - apparently they're still legal in game? Or..

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.20 08:39:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Wacktopia
Or get a bot - apparently they're still legal in game? Or..

At least alot cheaper, a decent bot costs like what, 15 dollar or so? Sure you need to spend some time setting it up, but if you are lazy just either set it in npc space or rent somewhere with bounties, and once in a while your main can come pickup faction/officer stuff.

McRoll
Minmatar
Heatseekers
Posted - 2011.04.20 08:42:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: death klokk
Originally by: McRoll
You forget some things in your considerations, OP:
...



2. i disagree here. I know a couple top 50 BC pilots that regularly fly t2 fitted t1 ships. Many corps run ops they expect to lose everything on and tell everyone to fit cheap because they know they'll be coming back in pods. Alot of people fly t1 ships because of the insurance payout will help recoup their losses regardless of how much isk they have.


This might be true for certain 0.0 corps and residents. In high and lowsec however, the focus would switch more towards the expensive stuff though. Many pirates are already flying faction BS, their heads stuffed with slaves and crystals, I know because I was in such a corp until recently. ISK play no role at all for them. (Look up Diamond Dog and his officer fitted smartbomb Rokh on battleclinic). Kinda boring, for me at least.

Originally by: death klokk

3. I disagree here. If everyone started selling plex. Careers like mining and salvaging will see an increase in payout. If everyone sold plex, who's gonna build the ships/mods they want to buy? Where will the minerals come from? Where will the salvage to produce rigs come from? Supply and demand. If everyone quit mining tonight, eve mineral prices would skyrocket due to lack of supply and increase in demand.



Mined minerals will come through botting (as its dealth with now anyway). Im not sure but bots can salvage as well, can't they? Manufacturing can be easily be done by alts, who put the botted minerals to use. This wouldnt have that much impact at all I believe, simply a matter of acquiring a bot or another alt who rat and manufacture for you and are paid via PLEX, which would be on market in abundance.

Originally by: death klokk

5. This is absolute false. With this logic, newbies shouldn't bother with the game because even though they can afford the ship; They lack the skills necessary to fly them effectively making them useless when its a known fact that even the lowest skilled rookie pilot in a t1 frig has his uses as a scout/tackle whatever.



You can offset lacking skills to some degree with ISK, by bying implants and using faction mods and flying better ships in general. Also, the new players see everyone flying around in shinies and want do do so as well. Because they don't want to wait as long or make the amount of ISK ingame, they either start selling PLEX or bot.

Originally by: death klokk

you have points that many will agree with, but there still are counters to them. I think what holds this game back from getting millions of subs is the epic grind and harsh consequences. Don't get me wrong, I love that about the game and wouldn't change a thing, but someone like myself simply can't be bothered grinding away for hours/days/weeks for something that I can lose in a split second.


That depends on whether you see acquiring ISK as a grind. Herein lies the problem, many players can't imagine a way of making ISK besides ratting or doing 4's. This is ofc very repetitive and boring, but there are so many other ways of making ISK which can be fun or at least less repetitive. Some of those possibilities are rendered useless because of their relatively low yield compared to the amount of ISK ingame and the easiness to acquire ISK via PLEX.

Believe it or not but I at least have fun making ISK ingame. Its just that I do not only grind missions but have a mixed income from passive and active sources. Doing different things is fun, I mix PvE and PvP and this keeps the game fresh for me.

ZZZu Khaaaarhg
Posted - 2011.04.20 08:53:00 - [48]
 

What are you talking about? I "earn" $3 per hour irl and that's far from the lowest on this planet.

Not whole world lives by american standards.

clixor
Celluloid Gurus
Posted - 2011.04.20 09:37:00 - [49]
 

PLEX is nothing else than CCP sanctioned RMT. Don't get me wrong, i rather see that CCP get the $$$ than f.i. account hackers. In a way it's kind of hypocrytical that CCP is condemning RMT as this thread is a good example of how RMT is ruining the game.

If you buy PLEXes from CCP, other than for startup costs, wth does isk even mean? It removes all incentives to work smarter and all feeling of progress is useless.


McRoll
Minmatar
Heatseekers
Posted - 2011.04.20 09:41:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: clixor


If you buy PLEXes from CCP, other than for startup costs, what does isk even mean? It removes all incentives to work smarter and all feeling of progress is useless.




Pretty much what I was trying to explain put in a single sentence.

Tsubutai
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.04.20 09:44:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Malcom
I know it's sactioned by CCP and all, but spending real money for ISK just feels like cheating to me. vOv

I have no problem with other people doing it. That's just not how I want to play my game.

Heh, same. I happily pay my sub with real money, but I don't feel comfortable with the idea of buying myself in-game shinies.

Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.04.20 09:47:00 - [52]
 

The ISK/Hour ratio is falsely represented. It assumes that all money earned in RL is available for PLEX. Some people might spend every last penny they earn on PLEX, but I don't think it's many.

I'm fortunate enough to safely assume I'm one of the top 5% RL rich Eve players, but I'll be god dammed if any more than the bare minimum is heading Eve's way. I have many vices to pay for and Eve has to compete with those. So my actual RL earnings translated into ISK are roughly 0.1m isk / hour, for a guess.

Perhaps if Eve got really great and ISK so hard to come buy, I might actually increase that spend, but I don't think either of those things is going to happen any time soon.

Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.04.20 10:02:00 - [53]
 

I'm in a western europe country, work as an engineer and I don't earn nearly 35 dollars per hour. You have to realize that in most countries, even though you EARN less, you also PAY a lot less than in the US. So our wages are less but we don't pay lots of cash for health care, children going to school, etc etc.
This doesn't mean our general wealth level is different, but it does mean that your balance is quite off for us.

I still earn more money in my real job than I do in Eve (even though I live in high end w-space and probably earn more isk than most people), but it does make the difference a lot less. So in my case I'd rather just play the game. It will also greatly depend on the kind of grinding you do though. Ours is a team effort which makes it better. If I was stuck with level 4 missions in highsec, I would consider buying GTC's.

Then there's also the argument of 'it's a roleplaying game' for me, I like to have earned the stuff that I own ingame by ingame means, not just buying my way into it.

clixor
Celluloid Gurus
Posted - 2011.04.20 10:16:00 - [54]
 

Why is RL wages even a factor?

Let me spell it out for you guys:

WE ARE PLAYING A COMPUTER GAME, you're supposed to have fun, make friends and do like.. whatever you want.


Potato IQ
Posted - 2011.04.20 10:46:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: clixor


If you buy PLEXes from CCP, other than for startup costs, wth does isk even mean? It removes all incentives to work smarter and all feeling of progress is worthless




Fixed as was nearly there

The OPís arrogant attitude on how people should earn RL money aside, his arguments are fairly reasonable but flawed. Apart from the PvP whQres that donít have the ability to buy the next ship without this means, the spoilt child attitude of now now now that selling PLEX offers simply dilutes the gaming experience and offers less value than those that spend time developing into the game. Being able to buy your shinny takes little effort for the smart pilot who does his research and puts in the time as the fruits will come. Selling PLEX is simply lazy in most cases

Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.04.20 11:13:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Wacktopia
Or get a bot - apparently they're still legal in game? Or..


Yes.

/me goes back to being afk in a macro system, where the same 6 "players" rat 23 hours a day.

Michael J Fox
Posted - 2011.04.20 11:29:00 - [57]
 

wow! OP has fixed the planet well done OP!

let me add a few pointers to your list:

0.1 Find country that pays reasonable wage.
0.2 Find job that pays reasonable wage.
0.3 realise that education costs a considerable sum of money.
0.4 take less good job to pay for education.
0.5 realise that less good job only just covers the cost of living.
0.6 realise that whilst working to pay for education you have no time to be educated
go to 1

frickin idiots like OP annoy me.


Kern Hotha
Posted - 2011.04.20 11:39:00 - [58]
 

It's easy to make isk in Eve (trivially easy with incursions now). I have plenty of disposable income but I don't think the quality and direction of Eve are worth paying for, so I'm quite happy that there are people willing to spend real money to sell PLEXs on the market. It seems like we both win here.

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.04.20 11:42:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Swynet on 20/04/2011 11:46:25
Originally by: death klokk
Steps for success:

1. Get an education.
2. Get job with said education.
3. Buy GTC
4. Sell

rinse/repeat.

Everyday I come across a thread where someone asks or boasts about earning 80-100mil isk per hour. Now mind you, some people PVE for reasons other than trying to maximize their in-game wealth as fast as possible (IE: running lvl 5s with friends while having a good time on vent/ts, or being constructive by mining while watching your favorite tv program) and if you fall into that category of casual player, then you can move on to the next topic.
However, I've always wondered why people spend so much time grinding their way to capital ships, faction fitted ships..etc etc at a snail's pace. Not everyone agrees with what I will say, but most will agree that time=money. The thing about time is that its universal. Time spent in game could be time spent doing something more profitable IRL.

GTC's are currently priced at 35$ USD and selling for like 700mil each give or take 20mil. Any decent job will pay you that for an hour of work. 100mil isk an hour grinding L4s or plexing whatever effectively translates into 5$ an hour. That number gets even lower if your not blitzing said missions in a pimped out golem. I don't really know of anyone that would work 7hrs a day for 35$. Heck, current minimum wage laws in the US pay more than that. When I first started playing EvE a few years ago, I would skip out of work early so I could get home and play. That is, until i realized how I was lowering the value of my time. It amazes me how many people grind all night for a few hundred million and complain about how much of a chore or "like a 2nd job" it is to play.

So unless you grind isk because your RL income is driven from RMTs from game, or you're a child who can't work; Is your time really worth 5$ an hour? If it is, see step 1.

Once liberated from the 'boring' aspects of the game and the fear of losing your 20mil fit rifter, you'll find a new found love for the game.

flame on.

tl;dr: Buy GTCs, your time is worth more than 5$ an hour... i think.


The only problem I can see in you post is that you don't have point 1 - Get an education.

Why? - If you had it you should known by now there are other places than US in this planets, other populations speaking other languages, living differently, having their own economy.

The only good thing you ever said is that TIME IS MONEY and that one is for true universal. I have my own company so yes I'm pretty aware of that, by the way I would advise you to read some economics and geopolitics specialised press.
You'd finally get some education and maybe understand there are other places around this planet.

Let me learn you something: educated doesn't means intelligent, you just proved it.

Christine Peeveepeeski
Rodents of Unusual Size
Posted - 2011.04.20 11:56:00 - [60]
 

Hmmm, selling plex for ISK for me has been one of those things that get me pondering. If people don't mind a bit of text feel free to read onwards.

This is not as full as it could be because of character limits. I can't be bothered to post a 2nd post so if decent replies actually happen (which TBH I'm not hopeful of in this forum) then I'll flesh out responses.

The question I ask is this, if you need to buy plex and sell it in game to play the way you want it to play then surely this is effectively raising your subscription cost to silly amounts? If as the OP says the fun part of the game is out where you lose ships and PVP then that means the rest of it is not fun at all, again according to the OP.

The argument that to pvp these days you need more ISK than you can generate necessitating the purchase of GTC to sell as plex rather than waste time means that many PVPers that do so are paying a very high premium for their monthly gaming fix. Obviously.

By implying that those that do not do this are not having fun it means a) people are honestly doing something they hate just to do a little fun or b) CCP have engineered this scenario or c) people have fun doing things that would seem dull to others.

It's a mixture but the important one to consider is B. It is in CCP's best interest to generate a situation where the ISK sink massively outweighs in game income for most players. Yes some can happily pay for many accounts with their income now, but can a year long player? If they need 2 accounts which could be argued for serious PVP they do (scouting alts, probe alts etc) then thats £30 a month already. Now lets buy 4 plex to sell a month. Another £50.

£80 a month? even if its only 2 plex its still £55 a month.

CCP would argue that you don't need to play like that but the competitive side of the game means that if some do it, then to remain competitive in the area of your choosing you must do it, or have means to negate the benefits of large amounts of ISK and multiple accounts (which few have been able to do otherwise it would be done that way).

This is not an anti CCP post btw.

Now I say CCP engineered this because they either have by direct action (making sure it's how people must play) or by not changing something to ensure that ISK does not equal competitive advantage. Either way, if that is the situation EVE is in then it's been engineered.

The only problem I have at all so far is that if it has been engineered then this game should not be advertised without micro transactions being a significant part of the game.

This is why CCP does not say the end game is null sec or anything else. By our own sandbox play-style we as players decide our fate and provide perfect cover for CCP's argument (if it's engineered) that players do as they will and it's by choice we pay so much.

That's because we do. Simple really, we are competitive gamers. We want to succeed in our goals be that null sec strategists, corp thieves or pvp monsters. Those that chose to take the PVP path are either forced to spend hours on alt accounts doing something they dislike or buy ISK.

The psychology is really very simple and if it were planned (again I share nothing of my opinion on this) then there is a certain beauty to it's simplicity.

We as players force ourselves to constantly look for that competitive edge which then over time becomes the norm restarting the whole process again. Timer also plays a massive part in this game as ability to generate ISK grows exponentially as your character get's older. This devalues ISK to older players and makes it harder for newer ones to get into an even keel.

We apply social pressure to ourselves in this very forum similarly to the real world and women's beauty. ISK = awesome. Good Killboard = awesome. Subscribe to this then you get sucked into a world in game where you won't be good enough for a long time. Why not fix that with buying a character and some ISK? it's only a few hundred pounds....




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