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TechnoViking
Posted - 2011.09.06 04:10:00 - [211]
 

There are plenty enough ISK opportunities for corps and alliances in null-sec. It needs to be more attractive to the rank-and-file industrialists who don't own a POS (which usually means don't have access to research and production lines), don't have their own cyno capital, don't have rorqual support and aren't part of a corp dedicated to mining.

Eperor
Posted - 2011.09.06 09:23:00 - [212]
 

Originally by: TechnoViking
There are plenty enough ISK opportunities for corps and alliances in null-sec. It needs to be more attractive to the rank-and-file industrialists who don't own a POS (which usually means don't have access to research and production lines), don't have their own cyno capital, don't have rorqual support and aren't part of a corp dedicated to mining.


not try after last nerfs of 0.0 oportunitys of erning it for corps and allinces got less and less, and tahy taking lot more effort and time. Production anfd mining its tight verry close to pvp and rating, less ratign sytems less ammo needet, less pvp aliance making less ammo ships etc needet, makert turns in dust. Actualy with last anomaly nerf they turned down almost lal ammo production in soem regions where i ssaa it vas good brath up befor.

Wath gos to mining ccp dont care baut minign eny more loks so now days mining each month gos down oprofits sinking each month. even arkonor and bistot brings only to miner 25 milj per hour, so to get back his hulk with fiting risking it m by mining in 0.0 hee need mine around 8,4 haurs that rediculus time that nedet to raplace his lost ship. Taht one off reasons way mininrs leaving 0.0. i not calculated out for there ev3 crystals with hee ned to get thos 25 milj per hour.

Corps - les anomaly runing les taxses paid, moons small reaction dont give good profit eny more all carbisdes giving araudn 150 mil per month with that effort to bring all that **** down fuel poses get soem one to do the silo cleaning moving etc. that ridicilus ammount off money per month. i eve not teling that you need ready all the time ppl to defend thos POSes. So curenty in 0.0 its risk vs profit tink, its little beter than in high sec but not inaf highh to provide new forces and interest in to 0.0.

Asheru
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Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.09.08 04:11:00 - [213]
 

I'd like to see CCP make the industry index a hidden value. It's already easy enough to disrupt mining ops, broadcasting your mining systems to the universe makes it even easier. Soon as you hit industry level 1, it's like blaring, gaudy club music that draws every guido with a cloaky ship to fistpump straight to your mining system and hang out until industry goes back down to 0 or they forget why they came. It's like being the lone hot chick at a nude beach full of frat boys and lecherous old men, and as soon as you doff your top, some guy with a bull horn jumps up behind you and screams TITTAYS TITTAYS TITTAYS!



Idkwtf this farms and fields idea is, but I think Mittani is slightly wrong in stating that "Nullsec is entirely dependent on importing virtually everything from Jita, and exports only moon goo.". Obviously, we do import nearly everything from high sec, but we do this because it's cheaper. There aren't too many things that high-sec can provide that we can't get out of null-sec (datacores, faction ammo, POS components).

The problem is that it makes no sense for us to mine minerals out in null-sec when we can just farm havens and use the bounty ISK to buy a significantly larger amount of cheap minerals from high-sec than we could mining it ourselves in null-sec with mountains of reds who want to light us up. The same goes for low-sec.

The only real answer I can think of is either increasing the yield that a miner can get from low-end ores in null/low sec or decreasing the mineral yield of high-sec ores and T1 reprocessing. Or maybe we could have a new mining ship for your average peon miner (ie, not a cap/command ship) that is only usable in null/low-sec that will mine something like 50% more than a Hulk. Since we have to spend 50% of our time at a POS because hostiles are goosestepping through our system, I think this is a fair trade.

I don't know, I don't really think that dependence on Jita is a bad thing - as long as Jita is equally as dependent on us.


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