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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.04.19 00:26:00 - [31]
 

I miss the old school CCP.

Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2011.04.19 00:27:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Chribba
Good luck with whatever you are up to next, see you when you return!

/c
This man speaks the truth.

Just like your abusive significant other you can't seem to permantly leave eve and only make it to the local hotel for a night or so then come crawling back for more. Twisted Evil

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2011.04.19 00:29:00 - [33]
 

Ok so it isn't Eve that is dead.

It's CCP.


Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2011.04.19 00:31:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Ok so it isn't Eve that is dead.

It's CCP.


Not dead. But strayed away from the one true path. Sad

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.04.19 00:32:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Calathea Sata
Originally by: Lubomir Penev
CCP messing up the forums was just another example of their inability to deliver anything working properly.
This. More and more people are starting to see the failboat under the skin of a Titanic.
But will it be enough to actually make the game finally get a negative growth index?

Sure I and many many others have jumped the 'fail boat' for another game atm but even with all the scores of eve players I run into in that game they almost to a man still have an active account.

They, just like me, are simply waiting for CCP to finally finish the game so we can all come back.


May I point you to a post in this thread titled " [Proposal] Alter bad new company direction, STOP rushing stuff out".. My opinion is that it gives a fairly convincing forecast because of: 1. Notice the recent up and down flucuations, it is obvious that the people keep coming back to check out the new features and then get disappointed and then quit again right away. This is going to continue. 2. Notice the "growth" is already slowing to a horizontal line, and the slowing is going to continue. i.e. the curve will turn into downward sloping very soon.

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 10/04/2011 08:11:08
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 10/04/2011 08:06:20
Originally by: Akita T

Speaking of which, I heard whispers of unconfirmed rumours that CCP actually lost a noticeable portion of their former testers not so long ago (fuzzy on the details as to why though), so basically, they're running with an understaffed and overworked QA team.
Would love to get an official denial of that, but appearances do lend a lot of credence to those rumours.
It would certainly explain a few things.



If you head over the ex CCP employees blog, you'll see ALL of them agreeing that CCP internal communication is their Achille's heel, that teams act like they live in a "void" with little interaction between them and several other curiosities.

I was considering asking for a job @CCP as Economist helper or even as coder but the wages seem horripilant and their pension system is not integrated or compatible with anything yet it requires an amount of (10 iirc) years just to make you eligible to get it.




Originally by: Akita T

Subscriber count graphs available in the QENs.
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/QEN/QEN_Q4-2010.pdf
On page 8 of 52.
And my mistake, when I said "didn't get steeper", what I meant to say was "it got less steep".
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7402/evesubscribers.jpg
Including rough linear approximation from the moment it became "somewhat popular".




Here's my MS Paint approximation about the next months in EvE's subscriptions market, even if CCP changed their ways and approach to quality (players discontent inertia):


Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


As you can see the trend is exhausting (increasing volatility on the upper graph).
The yellow lines show the slope changes in the "123 zig zag", the cyan are some areas of support or resistance.
and getting more "whipsawing" which is another sign of trend exhaustion.

This trend will peak either at the current high or a next lower high (not drawn) then there will be a sharp drop down to the lower support.
It will break because we will be in summer (low subs period of the year) and an even sharper drop will happen.

After a rebounce (typical bottom W formation), IF CCP changed their ways, they will slowly begin rising up (red line).
If they stay as is, we'll see a further drop (blue line) to dynamic support and then who knows.


Bhattran
Posted - 2011.04.19 00:38:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Calathea Sata
Originally by: Lubomir Penev
CCP messing up the forums was just another example of their inability to deliver anything working properly.
This. More and more people are starting to see the failboat under the skin of a Titanic.
But will it be enough to actually make the game finally get a negative growth index?

Sure I and many many others have jumped the 'fail boat' for another game atm but even with all the scores of eve players I run into in that game they almost to a man still have an active account.

They, just like me, are simply waiting for CCP to finally finish the game so we can all come back.


Sorry to say it but it isn't ever going to happen.

It is at best a year before we could see real signs that CCP is taking the direction to finishing/fixing the game as in addressing the abandoned features and content they haven't worked on or even looked at for years. More likely it will be 2+ years as they continue to push forward with their master plans involving Dust/incarna all the while not dumping the idea that new shiny is needed to get more new subs.

Even if CCP stopped all new content and focused on fixing/iterating features, never happening, they have years of work ahead of them. While we know they aren't going to stop making new content/features for expansions, simply isn't going to happen.

Best we can hope for is they put a real effort into addressing the abandon/broken features on a regular basis that might one day be equal to 'new shiny' so we get half new crap and half fixes for old stuff. I could also fantasize about a super effort on fixing the game but I simply don't see that happening in the wake of the Incarna/dust push which opens so many doors for more new crap they won't finish or do right.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.04.19 00:42:00 - [37]
 

Well, I just found out that one of the guest restrooms at CCP's headquarters is leaking... AGAIN! CCP has failed me for the last time. This incompetence from them to even properly fix the toilet is the last straw that broke the camel's back.

I just cancelled all 15 of my accounts. But they don't expire until a year from now so I'll just be posting from now til then. Congratulations CCP on your inability to even allow someone to take a crap without getting their buns wet.

Oh, and I will be reporting this to Eve News, CNN, Fox News, and Al Jazeera.


Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom
Posted - 2011.04.19 00:56:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Ris Dnalor on 19/04/2011 00:57:38
Edited by: Ris Dnalor on 19/04/2011 00:57:12
Originally by: Violent Flame
Here we go, another "CCP messed up the forums for a day, now I don't like them" thread.
To be fair, the op isn't talking about anything that only went 1 day...

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I've been playing since 2003,

me too, HI!

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I've been though it all: all of EVE's expansions,

I love them for those too.
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CCP's **** ups,

While I don't hate them or particularly blame them for these, they don't make me love them more.
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and insurmountable lag.

Well, you should've give them credit for ALL the lag you might experience while playing eve, but I suppose you could love them for some of it.
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And you know what? I ****ing love them for it.

For all of the endless *****ing in the last month, no one has given CCP credit that they're due.

simply untrue. The amount of credit given to CCP by various folks ranges nicely from "absolute-zero" all the way up to "completely way to fan-boi much..."


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They are, hands down, the most dedicated company to their MMO.

I would agree that no other company is as dedicated to CCP's mmo, as CCP is.

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Eight years of "EVE Is Dying" and not one person has been proven right.

To be fair, if one of those persons were proven right, they all would've been, but this guy isn't saying eve is dying, he's just not personally happy with it.

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Now granted, I wish they would do something about FW and Incursions, and even revamp mining like they said they would three years ago, but those details aren't going to make or break my continued experience.

To all the whiners these past few weeks (I'm looking at you Sata) CCP is doing something right, and has been for the last few years. At least when they make a mistake, they own up to it (as if anyone but the forum *****s gave a crap about the new forum anyway).


Well, if you've truly been playing since 2003, then you know darn well that there have been a good few mistakes that CCP never owned up to. I agree CCP is doing some things right. But to the OP's point, they have so many unfinished projects/promises, that I sometimes wonder if Keebler doesn't send the ADD elves they reject to go work at CCP.



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Goodbye Lubomir, I sincerely hope you enjoy your life beyond EVE, and do us all a favor before you go: Take the other whiners with you and let me, and everyone else, enjoy the bloody forums again.

I Mad.

TL;DR gtfo of my forums.

Violent Flame
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.04.19 01:12:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Ris Dnalor

I would agree that no other company is as dedicated to CCP's mmo, as CCP is.



I don't necessarily disagree with you on the other stuff, but really? Rolling Eyes

But that did make me laugh (thanks), I guess I should have reworded it.

Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.04.19 05:25:00 - [40]
 

You never liked the game that much,
but stayed five years because of hope.

That's either the most stupidest lie ever,
or you're seriously ******ed !

Now get out of my game and
thx for leaving finally. o/


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