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The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.16 22:26:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: The Mittani on 18/04/2011 19:25:19
By acclamation, CSM6 has chosen the following officers:

Chairman: Me
Vice Chair: Meissa
Secretary: Trebor
Vice Secretary: Unfilled

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.04.17 03:07:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Mynxee on 17/04/2011 03:23:30
Edited by: Mynxee on 17/04/2011 03:20:47
Originally by: The Mittani
By acclamation, CSM6 has chosen the following officers:

Chairman: Me
Vice Chair: Meissa
Secretary: Trebor
Vice Secretary: CCP Sreegs



A CCP person for CSM vice secretary? What is the reasoning behind that decision? Did none of the other delegates step up for the position?

If it had to be a CCP person, I would have thought it should be one of the advocates or a game designer. Of course, this position doesn't ever get called upon to ever do much anyway. But I assume it means that Sreegs will be attending all csm working meetings and ready to fulfill secretarial roles in case Treb can't. Glad to see Treb as secretary btw.

On a related note, what have you decided to do about working meetings and documenting them to the public? You've said you're not going to be dealing with Assembly Hall proposals in the same way that previous csm's did but won't you still be having regular meetings from which players will be provided minutes/logs of some kind? Or is it all going to be audio meetings only?







Extreme
Eye of God
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2011.04.17 03:36:00 - [3]
 

We will wait and see

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.04.17 04:01:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Mynxee
Originally by: The Mittani
By acclamation, CSM6 has chosen the following officers:

Chairman: Me
Vice Chair: Meissa
Secretary: Trebor
Vice Secretary: CCP Sreegs



A CCP person for CSM vice secretary? What is the reasoning behind that decision? Did none of the other delegates step up for the position?


With Darius JOHNSON (ex-ceo of Goonswarm) as vice secretary, this allows better control of the CSM.

/tinfoil?

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.04.17 05:27:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: Mynxee
Originally by: The Mittani
By acclamation, CSM6 has chosen the following officers:

Chairman: Me
Vice Chair: Meissa
Secretary: Trebor
Vice Secretary: CCP Sreegs



A CCP person for CSM vice secretary? What is the reasoning behind that decision? Did none of the other delegates step up for the position?


With Darius JOHNSON (ex-ceo of Goonswarm) as vice secretary, this allows better control of the CSM.

/tinfoil?


I didn't mean to imply that, but I did wonder whether it was a troll or not. In case not, I asked the questions I did out of actual curiosity.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.17 06:42:00 - [6]
 

:cripes:

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.17 08:50:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Trebor Daehdoow on 17/04/2011 09:08:35
The vice-secretary position has been left unfilled at this time. Apparently, nobody wanted to be in my shadow -- which, as anyone who has seen my ass can testify, is a large one indeed.

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.17 11:11:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Scatim Helicon on 17/04/2011 11:10:41
Originally by: Marconus Orion
With Darius JOHNSON (ex-ceo of Goonswarm) as vice secretary, this allows better control of the CSM.


You are truly the Alex Jones of Eve-o

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.04.17 11:45:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: White Tree on 17/04/2011 11:46:16
I had a funny feeling people were going to take this literally.

Darius III
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.04.17 12:33:00 - [10]
 

When were the officers chosen and on what format was the discussion? I don't recall seeing anything in the official channels regarding this....

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.04.17 14:34:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Mynxee on 17/04/2011 14:35:17
Originally by: White Tree
I had a funny feeling people were going to take this literally.


Yeah, strange how we expect our elected representatives not to troll us in "official" communications. I doubt I'm the only one who prefers to just get straightforward information and not be left guessing about the facts.

Also, my other questions still want an answer. If the answer exists somewhere on EVE O, kindly point me to it? Thanks.




Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.04.17 15:17:00 - [12]
 

I'd also like to know where I can find the minutes for the meeting where these officers were appointed. I'm also disappointed that nobody on CSM6 is willing to step up and be vice secretary - who will take minutes in case Trebor is unable to?

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.17 15:30:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Mynxee
Edited by: Mynxee on 17/04/2011 14:35:17
Originally by: White Tree
I had a funny feeling people were going to take this literally.


Yeah, strange how we expect our elected representatives not to troll us in "official" communications. I doubt I'm the only one who prefers to just get straightforward information and not be left guessing about the facts.

Also, my other questions still want an answer. If the answer exists somewhere on EVE O, kindly point me to it? Thanks.






Why does it matter?
Whether you are informed or ignorant, you can't actually do anything with the information you do or do not have.
Unless you count making bad posts on the Internet.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2011.04.17 16:11:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Lyris Nairn
[Why does it matter?
Whether you are informed or ignorant, you can't actually do anything with the information you do or do not have.
Unless you count making bad posts on the Internet.


Try to be less Goon and get out of your dipers.

The question is valid if a voter asks someone who is supposed to represent him or her about certain information which isn't closed under the NDA.
And making bad posts on the internet we gladly leave to Goons as they prove over and over.

Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.04.17 16:15:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Lyris Nairn
Why does it matter?
Whether you are informed or ignorant, you can't actually do anything with the information you do or do not have.
Unless you count making bad posts on the Internet.


Speaking of bad posts Rolling Eyes

It matters greatly, because we can only assess the quality and performance of the CSM members if we can see how they act and come to their decisions. So you can in fact do something with this information.

Extreme
Eye of God
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2011.04.17 18:41:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Extreme on 17/04/2011 18:41:58
So far the CSM election was more a popularity contest than it was an election.

Also the QA looked to me more like an Ego Boost event where Mittani speaks like he has been interested in CSM ever before CSM-6 (not).

I'd say Mynxee and Dierdra made valid points.

Please don't turn the CSM, where others before you worked hard for, into a muppetshow.

Show some respect to the community.


Also this new non-open communication through Skype is something i have to put questionmarks with concerning transparancy.


Final words:
Its an emberassment to see that the winners of the popularity contest (CSM 6) that there's no one else willing to be vice secretary.

Gonna be a long year

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.04.17 19:12:00 - [17]
 

CSM6 did not feel that it was necessary to elect a Vice Secretary and so as an act of humor we decided to appoint CCP Sreegs, it was pure humor, nothing else. I also find it amusing how with one hand you can complain that CSM6 is constantly connected, yet simultaneously you attack our legitimacy and or seriousness about it. We have composed our objectives and are solidified on a level that no previous CSM in history ever has been.

The CSM is also entitled to a degree of privacy when it comes to internal deliberation. It is literally no different than the use of the Internal CSM forums. We routinely discuss topics which are generally not ready for public presentation.

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.17 19:17:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
I'd also like to know where I can find the minutes for the meeting where these officers were appointed. I'm also disappointed that nobody on CSM6 is willing to step up and be vice secretary - who will take minutes in case Trebor is unable to?

We decided on the officers over a period of days, and we'll rubberstamp them when we have a formal meeting, but wanted to get the news out.

CSM6 will probably have fewer formal meetings that CSM5, but communicate more tightly on a day-to-day basis, and do more direct communications. It remains to be seen if this is a better idea or not, but the noobs on CSM6 deserve the chance to try new approaches, just like the noobs on CSM5 did.

Extreme
Eye of God
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2011.04.17 19:18:00 - [19]
 

The least 'we' can do is to connect the current CSM with all former CSM at our CSM continuation channel IF CSM-6 is interested.

Mynxee still has the operator status of that channel.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.17 19:24:00 - [20]
 

To be honest, I don't know if CCP Sreegs can hold down such a critical post effectively.

We're going to have to evaluate his employment on an ongoing basis, to ensure that the crucial position of Vice Secretary is given the respect and consideration that the position deserves.


White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.04.17 19:26:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: White Tree on 17/04/2011 19:39:57
Edited by: White Tree on 17/04/2011 19:39:25
Originally by: Extreme
The least 'we' can do is to connect the current CSM with all former CSM at our CSM continuation channel IF CSM-6 is interested.

Mynxee still has the operator status of that channel.


We were relatively well connected with the former CSM, and Trebor has been extremely helpful in guiding us through the process. He's an agile and talented individual who's offered sage advice on the process we go through.

Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.04.17 19:27:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
We decided on the officers over a period of days, and we'll rubberstamp them when we have a formal meeting, but wanted to get the news out.


Then I'll happily await the minutes and the official appointment of these positions, and I hope that in the mean time someone will step up to be vice-sec.

I fully agree that the CSM needs a place to discuss things in private (whether that is ingame or on the forums or on skype), but ultimately decisions and the motivation for those decisions need to be made in public (formal meetings) for the sake of transparency and trust in the CSM.

Extreme
Eye of God
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2011.04.17 19:31:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Extreme on 17/04/2011 19:32:29
Originally by: White Tree
Originally by: Extreme
The least 'we' can do is to connect the current CSM with all former CSM at our CSM continuation channel IF CSM-6 is interested.

Mynxee still has the operator status of that channel.


We were relatively well connected with the former CSM, and Trebor has been extremely helpful in guiding us through the process. He's an agile and talented individual who's offered sagent advice on the process we go through.


I know Trebor, met him at CSM summit in december and personally i was in CSM-2.

What you are probably not aware of is that we do have a CSM continuity channel. The CSM noobs (using Trebor's words) are probably not aware we have such a channel :P

Edit: The eve-csm channel has been officially approved by the almighty Lord Xhagen

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.17 19:39:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
We decided on the officers over a period of days, and we'll rubberstamp them when we have a formal meeting, but wanted to get the news out.


Then I'll happily await the minutes and the official appointment of these positions, and I hope that in the mean time someone will step up to be vice-sec.

I fully agree that the CSM needs a place to discuss things in private (whether that is ingame or on the forums or on skype), but ultimately decisions and the motivation for those decisions need to be made in public (formal meetings) for the sake of transparency and trust in the CSM.



There was no formal meeting. After a week within the term beginning the Chair can simply appoint titles at his discretion, or hold a vote via the CSM mailing list; we got together briefly in Skype after the Q&A and handed them out by consensus. CSM6 isn't particularly interested in titles beyond the ones 'with teeth', we're more concerned with getting things done.

Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.04.17 20:36:00 - [25]
 

I totally gave up the Vice Chair position because Meissa is a big cry baby. True story.

Boogaloo
Posted - 2011.04.17 21:51:00 - [26]
 

Sad to see Mittani and co already making this whole thing into a big in joke. Listened to the whole of the Q&A and was struck by the fact that it was depressing to see it all being so one sided, and now even the announcement of officers is done purely to amuse Mittani's corpmates.


Darius III
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.04.17 21:51:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Seleene
I totally gave up the Vice Chair position because Meissa is a big cry baby. True story.


More details please...

Darius III
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.04.17 22:39:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Boogaloo
Sad to see Mittani and co already making this whole thing into a big in joke. Listened to the whole of the Q&A and was struck by the fact that it was depressing to see it all being so one sided, and now even the announcement of officers is done purely to amuse Mittani's corpmates.



I promise you I am alone in the CSM, in not kissing the nether regions of Mittani. They are lined up like followers adoring the Budda. Makes me sick. I am definitely outsider on the CSM this year, which is good as I won't catch space Herpes from them. Bunch of hypocrite windbags if you ask me. Remember all the candidates promises? Kiss them goodbye. Botters/Macros get stopped? All credit to CCP in the extremely unlikely event it happens.

Most of CSM mostly so far looking to get in bed with CCP and the ever widening circle-jerk continues. UAxDEATH and Kruton are seemingly immune to the PH balanced perfume of Mittens though, maybe next year as full members we will form dissent coalition within CSM. Sorry carebears-your concerns are going unnoticed.

Lady Spanky
Perkone
Posted - 2011.04.17 22:57:00 - [29]
 

Wow. Bunch of try hard trolls in CSM this year.


Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.04.17 23:39:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Seleene
I totally gave up the Vice Chair position because Meissa is a big cry baby. True story.


Told you I'd resign if I didn't get it... I got it, it's all that matters. I deserve some epeen!


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