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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.04.14 18:02:00 - [1]
 

Received a odd email through a email address thats only used for Eve. It was from MMM Publishing Ltd, which after further research is the publishing company that does EON Magazine. Whats odd is the fact the subject was just "effef" and it was just images(which I have disabled due to security reasons). Also its odd because anything thats usually EON related is sent through a CCP or Eveonline address.

So CCP are you giving out our email addresses now?

EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Posted - 2011.04.14 18:20:00 - [2]
 

I only get spam from CCP begging me to buy some silly nvidia cards.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.04.14 18:23:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
I only get spam from CCP begging me to buy some superior nvidia cards.


Fixed. Very Happy

Reicine Ceer
Rodents of Unusual Size
Posted - 2011.04.14 18:25:00 - [4]
 

A lot of emails come as grouped images nowadays because you can make it look pretty. EVE's email tends to be a mix. Just for future reference, its probably not dodgy :)

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.04.14 18:32:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Reicine Ceer
A lot of emails come as grouped images nowadays because you can make it look pretty. EVE's email tends to be a mix. Just for future reference, its probably not dodgy :)


Figured as much after looking up who it is. The images part is default for anything that comes in. Was more confused on the subject being effef, and the fact that this was the first non CCP email to that address in 3 years.

Turin Makbema
Posted - 2011.04.14 18:36:00 - [6]
 

It seemed strange to me as well. I didn't open it.

However I don't get Eon, so no idea how they got my email.

Max Romeo
Posted - 2011.04.14 19:02:00 - [7]
 

Assuming you did not fill in your address using the eve-shop or other marketing scheme:
I don't think they are allowed to pass on any of your personal contact information to MMM Publishing as they are not a majority owned subsidiary and are only contracted for the purposes of EVE related material. This is then in contradiction to CCP's current privacy policy.

I was not contacted, so I have a feeling you've purchased something through the shop and in such way are recorded by MMM Publishing ltd.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.14 19:18:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
I only get spam from CCP begging me to buy some superior nvidia cards.

Fixed. Very Happy

It's funny, I wouldn't consider a GeForce GTX 460 SE to be a "superior" card, and a GeForce GTX 550 Ti FPB isn't exactly a powerhouse either.
Those were the best two in the offer, and they are pretty underwhelming.
Personally, I'd go with a 460 GTX (without the "SE" at the end) any day, and I'd call that either a high mid-range or a low high-end card.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.04.14 19:25:00 - [9]
 

Yeah I got this mail too. The subject line "effef" was less than helpful.

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.04.14 19:31:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Max Romeo
Assuming you did not fill in your address using the eve-shop or other marketing scheme:
I don't think they are allowed to pass on any of your personal contact information to MMM Publishing as they are not a majority owned subsidiary and are only contracted for the purposes of EVE related material. This is then in contradiction to CCP's current privacy policy.

I was not contacted, so I have a feeling you've purchased something through the shop and in such way are recorded by MMM Publishing ltd.


No have never bought anything through the eve store.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.14 19:45:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 14/04/2011 19:46:11

Are you sure the email was from MMM Publishing ?

Did you ever register to any 3rd party EVE site using that email ?
Like, oh, say, SHC ? Alliance forums ? Killboards ?
Ever purchased a GTC online with that email as contact ?
No ? Nothing ?

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.04.14 19:47:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 14/04/2011 19:49:04
Akita it is a catch all address thats used ONLY for eve online account/site.

So nothing.


edit: email was from [email protected]

Larissa Sunsorrow
Posted - 2011.04.14 19:49:00 - [13]
 

lrn2read: http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/privacy.asp

Quote:
USES MADE OF THE INFORMATION

We use information held about you in the following ways:

  • To ensure that content from our site is presented in the most effective manner for you and for your computer.


  • To provide you with information, products or services that you request from us or which we feel may interest you, where you have consented to be contacted for such purposes.



Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.14 19:50:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 14/04/2011 19:54:22

Oh, well :shrug:
Wouldn't surprise me if CCP actually (even if accidentally) gave out the email addresses.
Not with how great and smooth everything has been going on lately.

Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow
lrn2read: "To provide you with information, products or services that you request from us or which we feel may interest you, where you have consented to be contacted for such purposes."


They should have sent out the emails themselves on behalf of MMM Publishing, not given out the list of emails.
The EVGA offer, for instance, came from [email protected], not vresp.com

Originally by: www.vresp.com
vresp.com is a domain that sends permission-based emails. You have received this email because one of our subscribers has identified your email address as having "opt-in" status (i.e. the holder of your email address has voluntarily shared their address for the purpose of receiving offers and information.)


Barakkus
Posted - 2011.04.14 19:53:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Reicine Ceer
A lot of emails come as grouped images nowadays because you can make it look pretty.


Actually they do that so you are forced to view the images in order to track the emails for marketing campaign statistics.

How much you want to bet they are somehow tied with Epsilon Interactive?

Larissa Sunsorrow
Posted - 2011.04.14 20:02:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 14/04/2011 19:54:22

Oh, well :shrug:
Wouldn't surprise me if CCP actually (even if accidentally) gave out the email addresses.
Not with how great and smooth everything has been going on lately.

Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow
lrn2read: "To provide you with information, products or services that you request from us or which we feel may interest you, where you have consented to be contacted for such purposes."


They should have sent out the emails themselves on behalf of MMM Publishing, not given out the list of emails.
The EVGA offer, for instance, came from [email protected], not vresp.com

Originally by: www.vresp.com
vresp.com is a domain that sends permission-based emails. You have received this email because one of our subscribers has identified your email address as having "opt-in" status (i.e. the holder of your email address has voluntarily shared their address for the purpose of receiving offers and information.)




it's a third party service contracted by CCP. a lot of game publishers do this.
Here is a header from the Duke Nukem First Access Club (2K Games):

Quote:
sender time Sent at 5:03 PM (GMT-04:00). Current time there: 16:00. ✆
reply-to Gearbox Software <[email protected]>
to XXX <[email protected]>
date 11 April 2011 17:03
subject Duke's First Access Club Update
mailed-by mail46.us2.mcsv.net
Signed by mail46.us2.mcsv.net

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2011.04.14 20:04:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Akita T
They should have sent out the emails themselves on behalf of MMM Publishing, not given out the list of emails.
The EVGA offer, for instance, came from [email protected], not vresp.com


And how do you know CCP did'nt send the email, using the vresp.com mail server?

It a standard feature in most mail server to grant another domain access to send mails, and it's often something used when you need to share customer data, but don't want to give the other party a copy of your data.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.14 20:11:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Akita T
The EVGA offer, for instance, came from [email protected], not vresp.com

And how do you know CCP did'nt send the email, using the vresp.com mail server?

Don't care. Left relevant part in.

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2011.04.14 20:34:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Akita T
The EVGA offer, for instance, came from [email protected], not vresp.com

And how do you know CCP did'nt send the email, using the vresp.com mail server?

Don't care. Left relevant part in.


Relevant if the reply was meant for ccp, or if ccp actually was the real sender...

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.04.14 20:35:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
I only get spam from CCP begging me to buy some superior nvidia cards.

Fixed. Very Happy

It's funny, I wouldn't consider a GeForce GTX 460 SE to be a "superior" card, and a GeForce GTX 550 Ti FPB isn't exactly a powerhouse either.
Those were the best two in the offer, and they are pretty underwhelming.
Personally, I'd go with a 460 GTX (without the "SE" at the end) any day, and I'd call that either a high mid-range or a low high-end card.



You caught me. It was just a random jab at ATI. Embarassed

Froosh
Incidental Damage
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2011.04.14 22:45:00 - [21]
 

Can you tell us more about the content of the email, or are you afraid to enable the images?

Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Nomadic Asylum
Posted - 2011.04.15 10:09:00 - [22]
 

Its about the ISK guide being in print. However like I said its just odd that it was sent through MMM Publishing address with subject effef. Usually emails about EON are still sent through a CCP/Eve Online email address.

Aislynn McAllister
Posted - 2011.04.15 10:11:00 - [23]
 

I've been playing since 05 or so and have yet to get any spam mail related to Eve or even CCP for that matter.


Kiyoshi Shi
Caldari
British Industrial Services Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.15 11:57:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Aislynn McAllister
I've been playing since 05 or so and have yet to get any spam mail related to Eve or even CCP for that matter.




I've been messing around for about a year and i've not recieved spam-mail from CCP either, only emails from CCP i've gotten are newsletters which i signed up for.

The only non-newsletter email i got was when i closed my alt account and it said "Get free time when you re-open your account" type email.

That's about it though.

Lilith Savage
Posted - 2011.04.15 12:02:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Aislynn McAllister
I've been playing since 05 or so and have yet to get any spam mail related to Eve or even CCP for that matter.





I've also played on and off since 05 and have not received spam mail, other than a free weeks play type of email to rejoin. But don't even receive that type anymore as I'm no longer signed up to the news letter.

Larissa Sunsorrow
Posted - 2011.04.15 13:09:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Akita T
The EVGA offer, for instance, came from [email protected], not vresp.com

And how do you know CCP did'nt send the email, using the vresp.com mail server?

Don't care. Left relevant part in.


Relevant if the reply was meant for ccp, or if ccp actually was the real sender...


The reply field isn't relevant for an email. It's only for us users and nothing more. Anyone can send a mail using the email [email protected] (just like the scammers do) in the "reply to" field without any problem.

dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
Posted - 2011.04.15 14:06:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow
The reply field isn't relevant for an email. It's only for us users and nothing more. Anyone can send a mail using the email [email protected] (just like the scammers do) in the "reply to" field without any problem.


Most email client at going to pop up warnings if the email claim to originate from at different domain then the one which it was send from, if the sending server can't be verified by the domain it pretends to be. You can use [email protected] but most system would automatically treat the email as spam or a security threat.

Forcing people to reply to a different email address by "spoffing" the sender, breaks what little trust is designed into the protocol.

Commander Azrael
Red Federation
Posted - 2011.04.15 15:14:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Commander Azrael on 15/04/2011 15:16:54
Can confirm I received the same email. It's an advert for the printed version of the ISK guide.

Judging by the recent 'guest dev blog' about the same topic it seems CCP is trying to help with sales of the printed copy.

JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.04.15 15:24:00 - [29]
 

Theres another thread in gen forums here that talks about the same email. They posted their headers however and the email originates from a yahoo address.

Larissa Sunsorrow
Posted - 2011.04.15 15:42:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow
The reply field isn't relevant for an email. It's only for us users and nothing more. Anyone can send a mail using the email [email protected] (just like the scammers do) in the "reply to" field without any problem.


Most email client at going to pop up warnings if the email claim to originate from at different domain then the one which it was send from, if the sending server can't be verified by the domain it pretends to be. You can use [email protected] but most system would automatically treat the email as spam or a security threat.

Forcing people to reply to a different email address by "spoffing" the sender, breaks what little trust is designed into the protocol.


No, they dont. Checking the "Reply To" field to see if a mail is spam, scam or something else isnt used for years (unless you're using outlook express, girlslaughing.jpg). The checking is made against the SPF DNS fields and the SPF mail header.
Also, the headers posted comes from yahoo, because the company doing the marketing for CCP is using the yahoo business mail services.


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