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Julian Koll
The Kollektive
Posted - 2011.04.12 16:48:00 - [61]
 

Is RvB still running?

50m gets you a lot of rifters.

Leeluvv
The Black Ops
Posted - 2011.04.12 17:04:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: Leeluvv on 12/04/2011 17:04:17
Originally by: Holy One
buy $200 of GTC and purchase a character with some skills



This, because noobs with high SP chars in ships they don't know how to fly, using mods they don't know how to operate, trying to engage targets they don't understand are easier to kill than a 2 week old char in a T1 fit Rifter.

Haephestion
Posted - 2011.04.12 17:22:00 - [63]
 

I started eve, had only 1 account. started with nothing, and it can be done. things that make it fun while you dont have your shiny t2 guns;

first 3 weeks you can get by on level 1-3 missions i think. make a passive tank ship or some such, get them drone skills. the eve epic arc mission is also fun.

getting into level 4s and losing some battleships is a good experience. tell them that they will lose it, etc, so they arent overly sad when it dies. (i bought a RL friend who was starting several battleships and told him to be careful, and he quickly learned)

When i got bored of lvl 4s i went to lvl 5s, but they were in highsec sometimes when i started playing a year ago or so and thats no longer an option, which is too bad. id say you want to get them into a lowsec or faction warfare corp that accepts noobs. low SP characters cant solo things and theyre bad at the game, but if you give them a tackle rupture or rifter or something, they can be useful!

once theyre getting comfortable with lowsec they can either stay, go 0.0, or go to wormholes. Wormholes are a very mixed bag; if you get lucky with the right people you can have a lot of fun and a lot of isk. but most of the time you wont.

I think the best thing to do is to make sure they dont get too attached to their ships, but to focus on becoming a useful part of a team to start. the tackle almost always dies. but without them you get a lot fewer kills.

another good thing is to have a goal for them. assuming they want to pvp in the end game, choose a race *MIMMYYY* and then get their goals set out for ships and such.




yayay
Caldari
Fnord Works
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2011.04.12 17:24:00 - [64]
 

rvb is a good place to start for some pvp action. just let him finish the tutorial, encourage him to ask any questions, answer them calmly, maybe do some missions to get him used to the evegameplay, help with fittings and skills and never ever let him play alone, this kills most new players because they just dont know what to do in eve. Wink

Aldo Bridger
Posted - 2011.04.12 18:48:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: RaTTuS
1) get him to learn to web
2) go out and kill things



This.

Also, tell him that minmatar is the only race in the game and make sure he does not deviate. That should eliminate most frustrations. Can't go wrong with a newbie in a rifter. Twisted Evil

Lanrick
Posted - 2011.04.12 21:20:00 - [66]
 

As a fairly new player myself who has had at least some struggle getting into it, I would mostly just suggest you first encourage your friend to do the tutorials and be there for them as a resource for asking question. and then as they finish at least the combat tutorials, go do missions with them. Mostly just help them to steer away from mining. Mining is an easy and safe way to make money but it is very boring. I think that is what turns people off. It did me at first.

But if you can get them into the fun of learning combat, salvaging wreaks, an then later depending on their temperment getting them into pvp I think they will stick with it. Also, do all this with them at least after they are out of the tutorials if not before. Facing cold dark space alone is hard.

Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.12 21:26:00 - [67]
 

Goons have more fun in this game than anybody else so the obvious solution is to have him join Goonwaffe. You can get in touch with me or any one of our fine recruiters in-game.

Akirei Scytale
Posted - 2011.04.12 21:31:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Akirei Scytale on 12/04/2011 21:35:20
if he's online, play with him. get him to train to the point he can fly a t1 rifter with a decent pvp fit, buy him about 20, and go on roams together looking for fights. if the pewpew is slow, just ask some friends if they want to have a t1 frigate thunderdome. show him how fun the combat is - then, when he has saved up to the point he has built his own ship with his own fit, go on a relatively safe little roam. just a few jumps through lowsec. he'll see EVE's primary attraction - the fact that when you stand to lose something you worked for, something as simple as jumping past a couple hostiles sitting on a gate can give you an adrenaline rush.

if he doesn't like EVE after this, it probably isn't his game.

oh, and when you're dueling or doing a thunderdome, let him learn as he goes. just telling him things wont click, instead put him in situations where he sees the value of something. like, tell him to kill you. when you're getting low, warp out. point out scramblers and disruptors exist. fight him again. outrun him, and warp out. he now knows why speed is important - the faster ship gets to decide the range of combat at all times, and that webs counter this. it may be time consuming, but it would be fun for both of you and would give him a great head start into understanding the absurdly deep mechanics of EVE.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.04.12 21:39:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Goons have more fun in this game than anybody else so the obvious solution is to have him join Goonwaffe. You can get in touch with me or any one of our fine recruiters in-game.


For the low, low price of 1 gtc and all his friend's stuff... Rolling Eyes

Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.04.12 21:43:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Goons have more fun in this game than anybody else so the obvious solution is to have him join Goonwaffe. You can get in touch with me or any one of our fine recruiters in-game.


For the low, low price of 1 gtc and all his friend's stuff... Rolling Eyes

That, sir, is outrageous. GTC scamming is against the rules.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.04.12 21:47:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Goons have more fun in this game than anybody else so the obvious solution is to have him join Goonwaffe. You can get in touch with me or any one of our fine recruiters in-game.


For the low, low price of 1 gtc and all his friend's stuff... Rolling Eyes

That, sir, is outrageous. GTC scamming is against the rules.

Rolling Eyes

At least put some effort into your trolling... Cool

Echo Mae
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.04.12 21:56:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Umad Ostus
So as the topic says, a freidn of mine is gonna try eve, but he's very hesitant about it.

What is a good thing for a complete newbie to start with in this game?

im thinking about doing the tutorual first, but that can be pretty boring. And then probably move on to doing missions. But thats pretty boring too.

And after that, perhaps RvB or just go and **** around (and die alot) in low/null sec.

Any ideas how do make it as interesting as possible? What can a newbie do to have fun in this game? ugh


Get someone you know to suicide gank them. Then help your friend rebuild w/o telling them you had a hand in their untimely demise. Get them knowing from the start that this game can be a real PITA to play, and insanely fun all at the same time.

Fiona Blamont
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.04.12 21:57:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Goons have more fun in this game than anybody else so the obvious solution is to have him join Goonwaffe. You can get in touch with me or any one of our fine recruiters in-game.


The Goon Ladie speaks the truth. Goons have figured out how to have fun in this game from the moment you sign up. Take a look at their thirty day plan and consider that a template for how to get your friend started. Ignore the old learning skills in there:

http://pastebin.com/5E5tPTcZ

Kyo Haku
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.04.12 21:57:00 - [74]
 

Fly your Hurricane out to his starting system, shoot his noobship and pod and say "welcome to EVE" in local. Twisted Evil

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.04.12 22:08:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Fiona Blamont
Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Goons have more fun in this game than anybody else so the obvious solution is to have him join Goonwaffe. You can get in touch with me or any one of our fine recruiters in-game.


The Goon Ladie speaks the truth. Goons have figured out how to have fun in this game from the moment you sign up. Take a look at their thirty day plan and consider that a template for how to get your friend started. Ignore the old learning skills in there:

http://pastebin.com/5E5tPTcZ


I might try that some clan members actually, see if I can't convert them.

Gustav Knuttsen
Posted - 2011.04.13 00:06:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Umad Ostus
Originally by: Herrring
Originally by: Holy One
buy $200 of GTC and purchase a character with some skills
or just go afk 6 months.


This is so true. lol.

Even with the learning skills removed, I really can't recommend eve to others because I know how painful it is in the first 6 months.

The skill training system is pretty good after a year or so, since you would have the skills to do what you want by then and don't have to grind, but before that it is just painful.

For me it was similar as well I played for like 3 weeks after I started, skill trained for a few months, but didnt really play and I came back with frig 5 cruiser 5 bs 5 with maxed fitting skills.

Since then I am having a lot of fun, but I can't really tell someone to wait for a year to train your skills and keep on playing.



But still the eve player base is steadily growing


.. Well as last rapport said Its not exactly true.. Eve had first "down" with players base

Elyssa MacLeod
Posted - 2011.04.13 00:23:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 13/04/2011 00:24:18
get a frigate an runn him straight into 0.0

o you meant fun for HIM?

Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Goons have more fun in this game than anybody else so the obvious solution is to have him join Goonwaffe. You can get in touch with me or any one of our fine recruiters in-game.


For the low, low price of 1 gtc and all his friend's stuff... Rolling Eyes

That, sir, is outrageous. GTC scamming is against the rules.


what? There are rules in the game? I thought it was all good so long as you dont hack the client or something

sableye
principle of motion
Posted - 2011.04.13 00:28:00 - [78]
 


San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.04.13 02:04:00 - [79]
 

You can lead a Horse to water but you can't make him drink.

m3rr
Posted - 2011.04.13 02:15:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Jame Jarl Retief
Edited by: Jame Jarl Retief on 12/04/2011 12:32:59

You also can't really effectively PvP as a new character. This is easily proven - take an experienced PvPer in EVE, have them make an alt with 1.5 mil SP (one month at 2200 SP/hr) and have them try to fight another experienced PvPer with 20 mil SP. They will lose 90% of the time. It's simple math. The older char will have more gank, more tank, faster lock, more cap, etc., etc., etc. According to quarterly report, average SP per char in EVE is now around 10 mil? That's 6 months of catching up to get there an average player is today, to be "even", not accounting for player skill.



You are totally wrong... why dont you ask TEST alliance about that Laughing

Akirei Scytale
Posted - 2011.04.13 02:20:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: m3rr
Originally by: Jame Jarl Retief
Edited by: Jame Jarl Retief on 12/04/2011 12:32:59

You also can't really effectively PvP as a new character. This is easily proven - take an experienced PvPer in EVE, have them make an alt with 1.5 mil SP (one month at 2200 SP/hr) and have them try to fight another experienced PvPer with 20 mil SP. They will lose 90% of the time. It's simple math. The older char will have more gank, more tank, faster lock, more cap, etc., etc., etc. According to quarterly report, average SP per char in EVE is now around 10 mil? That's 6 months of catching up to get there an average player is today, to be "even", not accounting for player skill.



You are totally wrong... why dont you ask TEST alliance about that Laughing


seconded. you can be critical to the outcome of a fight from pretty much hour 2 of your EVE career. It has been proven about a million times.

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2011.04.13 04:23:00 - [82]
 

Start up an empire in Shores of Hazeron.

sableye
principle of motion
Posted - 2011.04.13 04:25:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Start up an empire in Shores of Hazeron.


explain more for the stupid.

Kiandoshia
Posted - 2011.04.13 04:45:00 - [84]
 

I think the only reason I stayed when I was new is because Eve was the first MMO I ever played, so I didn't expect an awful lot =P

Compared to other games of the genre, the first 6-10 months are annoying. I made an alt and basically logged in once a week to change/update skills before I actually started using it after over half a year.

I had a friend of mine try Eve once, I did w/e I could, gave him ISK, helped him, gave him ships, told him what to do...

Thinking about it myself now, I guess that is exaclty what you shouldn't do, because one of the reason people play a game is because they wanna discover new stuff, so if you are just gonna take away everything, you achieve the opposite of the desired effect.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.04.13 04:53:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Umad Ostus
So as the topic says, a freidn of mine is gonna try eve, but he's very hesitant about it.

What is a good thing for a complete newbie to start with in this game?

im thinking about doing the tutorual first, but that can be pretty boring. And then probably move on to doing missions. But thats pretty boring too.

And after that, perhaps RvB or just go and **** around (and die alot) in low/null sec.

Any ideas how do make it as interesting as possible? What can a newbie do to have fun in this game? ugh


get in a corp with people who've played a long time , that don't mind pvp and teaching noobies and are allways getting war decced by corps with decent fleet skills...

learn in the fire.. get isk given too you far quicker than you can make it as a noob.. have new decent guys to talk with from all over the world everynight

worked for me at least

Lost Greybeard
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.13 04:53:00 - [86]
 

If he's your friend, just be sure to actually play with him. The biggest trap for new players is trying to solo the game, which is the surest path to boredom ever.

Julyan Fox
Caldari
Posted - 2011.04.13 05:01:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Julyan Fox on 13/04/2011 05:06:51
As a new player and in answer to the OP's question, I'd like to say the mining/trade combo seems quiet fun for what I've been experiencing so far.

The income you do by mining scale very well with the progression of the profession when you start, and it gives you plenty of time to inspect the market and plan your deals, particularly once you step into mining barges.

Some missions here and there for standings of course.

And once I get those basics I'll look into fighting.

PS : and having some interesting ppl to chat with helps too :)

So far, I'm having fun doing this, maybe can work for your friend too.





Nayette Ellis Dalogne
Posted - 2011.04.13 06:04:00 - [88]
 

I have no experience with the new tutorials, as they were all introduced after I started playing. But through the years I've helped quite a few people get their feet wet in EVE. I simply made sure to take them by their hand, explain how EVE worked and very quickly take them along on stuff I was doing (e.g. have them be a wingman in a frigate in a level 3 or 4 mission, go belt ratting in lo-sec, stuff like that). I've found that most quickly started making plans about what they wanted to do in the game and picked their own directions.

Skydell
Caldari
Space Mermaids
Posted - 2011.04.13 06:15:00 - [89]
 

Unless we know why the friend has hesitation it's hard to say.

You know the friend better than we do. If losing ships is going to bug them alot, they should stay in high sec amd mission. If they could care less, have them go to null and see what happens.

One of the things I always tell new players is to hop in a noob ship and go everywhere before they break 900K SP. Update clone location alot, be prepared to get blown up alot, learn that that's what happens in EVE. They can undock an Ibis 500 times and a guy in a Nighthawk being repped by a Thanny will pop and pod them 500 times. Why? Cuz.

It's EVE and that's what they should expect from it.

Ambassador Helios
Posted - 2011.04.13 06:39:00 - [90]
 

This post proves that EVE, rather than being a good game, actually satisfies some strange brain disfunction in all of us that other normal people do not possess.


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