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Umad Ostus
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:11:00 - [1]
 

So as the topic says, a freidn of mine is gonna try eve, but he's very hesitant about it.

What is a good thing for a complete newbie to start with in this game?

im thinking about doing the tutorual first, but that can be pretty boring. And then probably move on to doing missions. But thats pretty boring too.

And after that, perhaps RvB or just go and **** around (and die alot) in low/null sec.

Any ideas how do make it as interesting as possible? What can a newbie do to have fun in this game? ugh

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:12:00 - [2]
 

buy $200 of GTC and purchase a character with some skills
or just go afk 6 months.

Umad Ostus
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:13:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Umad Ostus on 12/04/2011 12:14:06
I have enough isk so i could buy a char for him, but thats not really gonna happen before he know if he liked the game or not

also, imo a part of the fun with a mmo is to evolve with the character. and step up from a crappy ship to something better, etc

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:16:00 - [4]
 

give him some cool stuff, then kill/pod him. if he emorages, tell him to leave. if he tries to learn, tell him this game will be great for him.

Graic Valente
Gallente
Valente Galactic Enterprises
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:16:00 - [5]
 

Good luck even getting them to log on these days. Razz

I wouldn't be encouraging any of my friends to play EVE at the moment, it's just too frustrating an experience.

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:16:00 - [6]
 

Make him do the god damn tutorials. No other game really plays like EVE, so it's a must for any new player or be prepared to answer stupid questions which even a noob should know for a long period of time to come.

On the activities part. What does he want to do? There is a tutorial portion for most basic things now, so that's another reason to make him do them. After that he propably has a better understanding what he might want to do on a regular basis.

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:17:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Holy One on 12/04/2011 12:17:44
well in all seriousness trying to get others to like eve is a waste of time. trying to teach others how not to fail at eve is a waste of time.

so .. be prepared to waste a lot of your time and isk. I have in the past been trying to get people in to the game who were only half interested in the first place.

or who realised after the first week they had no chance whatsoever of instant gratification and rage quit.

good luck anyway.

Khmoud Hasjiz
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:18:00 - [8]
 

Send him to WOT (world of tanks) he'll thank you in the long run

Umad Ostus
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:19:00 - [9]
 

lol. you guys aint getting my hopes up

Aderata Nonkin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:19:00 - [10]
 

EVE isn't Disney land, there are no fun rides waiting for you to jump on just because you've paid the entry fee. The fun comes from what you want to do and then be patient to see if your longterm plan works out.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:20:00 - [11]
 

I was going to try and get some of my latest clan to play EVE but when I mentioned it a couple said, "I tried that once, I mined for 3 months then got bored and quit."
Neutral

Umad Ostus
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:21:00 - [12]
 

maybe some new players here can share what made them stay in the game?

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:21:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Umad Ostus
lol. you guys aint getting my hopes up


it just becomes a drag feeling like you have to amuse people or constantly pretend eve isnt super slow, super passive and has very little of the qualities that 90% of people born after 1985 want nowdays: shiny, instant win, super hero status in hrs, rewarding grind etc.

so most people dont bother. i have tremendous respect for alliance recruiters and fc's who put up with the sheer avalanche of ******s thrown at them. seriously. i'd swallow my tongue. Laughing

Julius Rigel
Sub-warp Racing Venture
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:22:00 - [14]
 

You can't force someone to like a game. Either they will like eve or they won't. All those "boring" things like training skills, doing the tutorial, and earning your first million are an essential part of the game. It's something you need to enjoy in order to play.

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:23:00 - [15]
 

1) get him to learn to web
2) go out and kill things

Umad Ostus
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:23:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Umad Ostus on 12/04/2011 12:23:30
Originally by: RaTTuS
1) get him to learn to web
2) go out and kill things



Constructive post! WohoOo Razz

edit: probably something like this is the best idea

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:24:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
I was going to try and get some of my latest clan to play EVE but when I mentioned it a couple said, "I tried that once, I mined for 3 months then got bored and quit."
Neutral



thats .. depressingly true. cue all the guys with 50m sp chiming in about how 'even a frigate can be useful as tackle!!' or 'I had loads of fun with 50k sp and no isk! i'm so awesome!' crap. that hasnt been true since 2004 and might have been *******s then too. LaughingLaughingLaughing

Jame Jarl Retief
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:29:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Jame Jarl Retief on 12/04/2011 12:32:59
Originally by: Holy One
buy $200 of GTC and purchase a character with some skills
or just go afk 6 months.


This, pretty much.

The first week or two can be sort of fun, you move from ship to ship relatively fast, stuff is still relatively new and somewhat exciting.

After 2-3 weeks, you hit the plateau where missions are boring and repetitive, even if you advanced to another level. Everything else is still the same. Your movement from ship to ship is significantly slower. Progress stalls, and the game becomes mind-numbingly boring, especially when you're training those long, mandatory skills that don't really have an immediately visible impact.

You also can't really effectively PvP as a new character. This is easily proven - take an experienced PvPer in EVE, have them make an alt with 1.5 mil SP (one month at 2200 SP/hr) and have them try to fight another experienced PvPer with 20 mil SP. They will lose 90% of the time. It's simple math. The older char will have more gank, more tank, faster lock, more cap, etc., etc., etc. According to quarterly report, average SP per char in EVE is now around 10 mil? That's 6 months of catching up to get there an average player is today, to be "even", not accounting for player skill.

EVE isn't really a "game" in a classic sense. It's not even a sandbox. In a sandbox, you can build with sand, if you want to build a castle, you build a castle. In EVE, you can't build a castle without training Plastic Bucket V, which takes 11 months.

EDIT:

Best chance you got is probably wait until CQ/Incarna/new player experience rolls out. The eye candy alone might be highly effective. Beyond that, have a char for your friend with at least the basics trained, and with as many ships to fly as possible. You don't need anything crazy expensive, just 5 mil SP or so - basic shield/armor tank, and all races' ships and weapons up to battleship and some drone skills. Just trying different ships and different weapons and then selling those ships and weapons to try other ships and weapons might keep your friend occupied for a month or two, and by then hopefully he'll be hooked.

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:38:00 - [19]
 

eve is a game that costs $200
you can pay up front and get stuck in to it and probably stick around
ie buy a character with 30m sp or so

or you can grind it out and pay monthly. more than half of whom quit as there is no discernable fun and no obvious roi in paying out and waiting a year to start having some fun in pvp.

the guys who say 'yeah but you have to learn the game! sp dont make you good!' are right: but you can learn all you need to know in 2-3 weeks of active pvp. you dont learn jack getting slaughtered over and again. or sucking roids and going slowly insane.

also the guys who say, 'I dont buy characters, the character I created is me!' are on crack. avoid them like the plague.

eve is a spreadsheet. either you have the 0's and 1's in the right box or you're going to die of boredom and disappointment. Wink

Umad Ostus
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:38:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Jame Jarl Retief


EDIT:

Best chance you got is probably wait until CQ/Incarna/new player experience rolls out. The eye candy alone might be highly effective. Beyond that, have a char for your friend with at least the basics trained, and with as many ships to fly as possible. You don't need anything crazy expensive, just 5 mil SP or so - basic shield/armor tank, and all races' ships and weapons up to battleship and some drone skills. Just trying different ships and different weapons and then selling those ships and weapons to try other ships and weapons might keep your friend occupied for a month or two, and by then hopefully he'll be hooked.




But dont you think that making your own character and getting the ships/skills yourself is part of the fun?

Im also debating if i should let him explore all skills/ships on his own, and just give him pointers, or to sort of tell him what to do

Herrring
Amarr
National Quality Breaker
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:40:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Holy One
buy $200 of GTC and purchase a character with some skills
or just go afk 6 months.


This is so true. lol.

Even with the learning skills removed, I really can't recommend eve to others because I know how painful it is in the first 6 months.

The skill training system is pretty good after a year or so, since you would have the skills to do what you want by then and don't have to grind, but before that it is just painful.

For me it was similar as well I played for like 3 weeks after I started, skill trained for a few months, but didnt really play and I came back with frig 5 cruiser 5 bs 5 with maxed fitting skills.

Since then I am having a lot of fun, but I can't really tell someone to wait for a year to train your skills and keep on playing.

Umad Ostus
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:45:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Herrring
Originally by: Holy One
buy $200 of GTC and purchase a character with some skills
or just go afk 6 months.


This is so true. lol.

Even with the learning skills removed, I really can't recommend eve to others because I know how painful it is in the first 6 months.

The skill training system is pretty good after a year or so, since you would have the skills to do what you want by then and don't have to grind, but before that it is just painful.

For me it was similar as well I played for like 3 weeks after I started, skill trained for a few months, but didnt really play and I came back with frig 5 cruiser 5 bs 5 with maxed fitting skills.

Since then I am having a lot of fun, but I can't really tell someone to wait for a year to train your skills and keep on playing.



But still the eve player base is steadily growing

The Snowman
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:48:00 - [23]
 

I'm afraid there isnt anything you can do.

If you sort his skills out for him, kit a nice ship, get a mission and go do that mission you'll probably have the exact OPPOSITE desired effect.

They'll just go "oh, is that it?"

The fun _I_ got when first playing Eve was learning the fundementals of combat, selecting a faction/corp/agent to work for... and most of all, asking questions and chatting to other people who had just started playing.

So, the only real thing you can do is just leave him alone and try answer his questions when he asks them.

Truth is, they are going to like it, or they arnt, no matter what you do or say. In my experience though any kind of intervention doesnt help.

Might even be worth feigning an illness for a few weeks and let him do his own thing.

Herrring
Amarr
National Quality Breaker
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:50:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Umad Ostus
Originally by: Herrring
Originally by: Holy One
buy $200 of GTC and purchase a character with some skills
or just go afk 6 months.


This is so true. lol.

Even with the learning skills removed, I really can't recommend eve to others because I know how painful it is in the first 6 months.

The skill training system is pretty good after a year or so, since you would have the skills to do what you want by then and don't have to grind, but before that it is just painful.

For me it was similar as well I played for like 3 weeks after I started, skill trained for a few months, but didnt really play and I came back with frig 5 cruiser 5 bs 5 with maxed fitting skills.

Since then I am having a lot of fun, but I can't really tell someone to wait for a year to train your skills and keep on playing.



But still the eve player base is steadily growing


Yeah, I wasn't saying that all new people stop playing after a few weeks.

I am actually in a noob corp right now, and I'd say around 25%-30% stay after 3 weeks which is not that bad.

My guess is its partially because EVE is the only decent space MMO.

Or maybe because we recruited these noobs from a 4chan-style forum saying its a only decent sandbox style MMO left and you can grief people all you want after a few months.




Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:55:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Umad Ostus
maybe some new players here can share what made them stay in the game?

When I was new, ignorance mainly.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:56:00 - [26]
 

The "fun" in eve is the planning, so you need to find a way to involve him in the sandbox aspects of the game, he won't find missions fun, but he will do missions to do pvp (could be fun)

etc...

I would recommend trying to get him to play bait in low sec, it could be very rewarding. Now you sit near him cloaked and enjoy!

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.04.12 12:56:00 - [27]
 



Gank him as he mines or undocks. Test him early.



Umad Ostus
Posted - 2011.04.12 13:06:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
The "fun" in eve is the planning, so you need to find a way to involve him in the sandbox aspects of the game, he won't find missions fun, but he will do missions to do pvp (could be fun)

etc...

I would recommend trying to get him to play bait in low sec, it could be very rewarding. Now you sit near him cloaked and enjoy!


Yeah. Thinking about dual boxing scimi and something else. We could get quite juicy kills that way =)

Jaik7
Posted - 2011.04.12 13:07:00 - [29]
 

1, show him evelopedia. if he obsseses over the pedia and tries to learn as much as he can, move to step two.

2, use the buddy program and point him in the general direction he wants to go in with the full understanding that this character will be deleted. if he lasts two weeks in the buddy program, move to step three

3, buy him the character you mentioned. unless he's grown attached to that face he's made, of course. give him as much input as possible over which chracter he wants.

that's what i'd do. best of all, it's free till step 3, which is the step where he commits to eve.

Xavier Zedicus
Psykotic Meat
Posted - 2011.04.12 13:12:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Xavier Zedicus on 12/04/2011 13:12:31
Best way to have fun with a friend, do stuff together, share rewards and defeat. Even if it means less isk for you. You will probably have more fun too.



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