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Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
Posted - 2011.04.15 14:35:00 - [31]
 

Altough Imperial Pharmacy values spiritual life over material, we cannot live solely without material goods. Ark were our most important ship, and we want it back.

I might have forgot to say, but there is update to our demand regarding Ark. I did not have checked the killmail before representing it to the Overseer Dax, and was little shocked that it was not empty. That Ark carried very valuable cargo, wich also must repay to us. Ark alone is not enought.

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.15 14:55:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Vaari
Altough Imperial Pharmacy values spiritual life over material, we cannot live solely without material goods. Ark were our most important ship, and we want it back.


For forty millenniums we struggled in the desert.
Time of infinity to grief our misgivings.
Time of eternity to stray without God's guidance.
One can repent and pray for forgiveness.
But true meekness is one that has penetrated and laid its roots in the very heart of a man.
The stars above will not weep for us parting.
The air we breathe won't notice our disappearance.
The dirt of the earth will embrace our decadence.
Only in God can we thrive and grow.
Only God.

Kuria 4:23.

How long have you struggled Vaari? Is there true meekness in yourself? You seem to suggest you cannot live without your Ark? If so, why aren't you dead yet?

The reimbursement of your Ark is an insignificant issue. You insisitence on reimbursement and your current pre-occupation with material possesions (like a T2 BPO) should be an indication that you have strayed from the true path yourself.

Graelyn
Amarr
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2011.04.15 16:40:00 - [33]
 

The sheer amount of pandering I've seen my fellow Amarrians do towards this fool is truly embarrassing.


Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.15 17:16:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Graelyn
The sheer amount of pandering I've seen my fellow Amarrians do towards this fool is truly embarrassing.




A willfull heretic should be killed.

A deranged fool can be saved.

Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
Posted - 2011.04.15 19:56:00 - [35]
 

Im not fool. Im loyal nobleman of the Empire, and devoted servant of the God. Im also blessed by the God.

Lu'ay al Din
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Posted - 2011.04.15 20:37:00 - [36]
 

A strong self-image most of the time translates itself into incredible arrogance and self-confidence. It gets rid of that which looks good to those who donít know any better, and reduces the distance between our hearts and their roots in God.

Somehow, experience learns that roosters will never admit they were an egg, however,

Humility is His gift, embrace it. All of you.

Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
Posted - 2011.04.16 08:36:00 - [37]
 

Merdaneth, I have never suggested I cannot live without our ark. I have said, we are not ready to negotiate anything with CVA or their allies until our Ark and its cargo is refunded to us.

Ark project was our corporation history longest project. Be built them by ourselves and were entirely made by Iphar. We do not forget the loss of such work. Nor we forgive.

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.16 09:09:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Vaari
Merdaneth, I have never suggested I cannot live without our ark. I have said, we are not ready to negotiate anything with CVA or their allies until our Ark and its cargo is refunded to us.

Ark project was our corporation history longest project. Be built them by ourselves and were entirely made by Iphar. We do not forget the loss of such work. Nor we forgive.


If my corporation's longest project was suddenly destroyed by people I considered friends, then I would surely see it as a sign from Our Lord. I would wonder if He wanted to show me not to care too much about material possessions. Because the length or cost of any project is insignificant to the faith in Our Lord.

But rather than seeking fault in your own faith, you are now seeking fault in the faith of others. I consider it more likely that this was a sign of Our Lord to indicate your own failing, rather than a sign that CVA is corrupt. After all, you wouldn't have needed so strong a sign to take that position.

Turn inward, not outward. Consider the loss a blessing.

Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
Posted - 2011.04.16 09:54:00 - [39]
 

Dark Tinator of the Nihilist whatever was considered enemy even before he destoroyed our ark. It was revealed long time ago, that he has seeked a way to harm us since he was exiled from the Imperial Pharmacy after failed rebellion.

I see the destruction of our Ark only sign on greed, bloodlust and misguidance.

Rianharte
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.04.16 10:08:00 - [40]
 

If you are doing Gods work and you are his servant and he is so all mighty, Instead of you trying to tarnish CVA, you should be thinking "hey if my God is all seeing and powerfull why hasn't to smited CVA?"

Answer God has forgot about you Vaari, You have strayed and are being punished for it. CVA are god righthand.

Truth is hard to take hey

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.16 10:30:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Vaari
Dark Tinator of the Nihilist whatever was considered enemy even before he destoroyed our ark. It was revealed long time ago, that he has seeked a way to harm us since he was exiled from the Imperial Pharmacy after failed rebellion.


Either you jumped in an Ark into a position where it could be destroyed by a known enemy, which makes you a fool

Or the Ark was unexpectedly attacked by people you considered friends, in which case I consider it a sign of God as explained above.

Either way, there is a lesson to be learned here by you.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.04.16 10:47:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Lyn Farel on 16/04/2011 10:47:04
Does that work in the opposite way too ? If for example a friend of the CVA destroyed an Ark of the CVA, would it be taken as a sign of God ? And then, the friends would not be put on the KOS list ? Or, if for example a friend (like a certain Ishukone alliance) decided to turn their back to the CVA and the amarrian bloc, would it be taken as a sign of God of their lack of openness ?

Please note that it is asked with curiosity and not to defend anyone here.

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.16 11:18:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Lyn Farel
Does that work in the opposite way too ? If for example a friend of the CVA destroyed an Ark of the CVA, would it be taken as a sign of God ? And then, the friends would not be put on the KOS list ? Or, if for example a friend (like a certain Ishukone alliance) decided to turn their back to the CVA and the amarrian bloc, would it be taken as a sign of God of their lack of openness ?


Signs from God are personal matters, it is up to Vaari to decide if it is a sign. However, I've known Vaari as a man concerning himself with mostly spiritual matters. Lately his public speeches seems more pre-occupied with matters of material wealth, like T2 BPOs and Arks. Vaari does not demand that from CVA that their less devout members come to mass more often, he demands financial recompense. Doesn't that seem odd for the self-styled leader of the church of Providence?

I have found myself that often just after I made a pridefull remark about my own combat ability, I would lose my ship in a humiliating matter, controls would suddenly lock up, I inexplicably forgot to recalibrate sensors etc. etc. I interpreted this as a sign from God to pay more attention to the virtue of humility.

In short: if there is an event that both surprises you and affects you strongly, than it would be wise to consider it a sign from God.

Setting someone KOS or not is a wholly unrelated matter. If some TLF warrior destroyed my ship while my controls would lock up, I would certainly not consider him some sort of agent of God exempt from retribution, I would merely think that God used him to give me a sign.

Kahar Dex
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.16 11:20:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Lyn Farel
Edited by: Lyn Farel on 16/04/2011 10:47:04
Does that work in the opposite way too ? If for example a friend of the CVA destroyed an Ark of the CVA, would it be taken as a sign of God ? And then, the friends would not be put on the KOS list ? Or, if for example a friend (like a certain Ishukone alliance) decided to turn their back to the CVA and the amarrian bloc, would it be taken as a sign of God of their lack of openness ?

Please note that it is asked with curiosity and not to defend anyone here.


This all boils down to legitimacy Paladin Farel. Our internal records show that IPHAR was made KOS two hours before the loss of the Ark. Lord Vaari was warned several times to recant of his public libel, and even offered a chance by Lord Hardin to establish normative relations. Unfortunately steps were not taken on behalf of IPHAR to seek reconciliation, therefore the loss of the Ark was legitimate.

With regards to your "hypothetical situation", whether a certain "Ishukone" related entity decided to turn it's back on the CVA and the rest of the Amarrian bloc, I dare say it would be a sign of God if their reasons for doing so were legitimate. If however, the reason for an "Ishukone" related entity turned it's back on the Amarrian loyalist bloc simply because their Amarr allies strongly disapproved of them working with Gallente Militia forces to destroy state protectorate pilots, I would say that it is simply bad decision making on the part of the "Ishukone" related corporation. And if this so called "Ishukone" related entity turned it's back on the CVA for example due to imaginary debts for which they can offer no proof then again, I believe it is simply their foolhardiness.

Your question leads me to believe that perhaps you do not have all of the information necessary to make a qualified judgement regarding the situation with I-RED, no offense intended Paladin, simply an observation. For simplicity's sake, I'd like to ask you a hypothetical question:

Let's say that an ISHK loyalist entity who had years of positive and good relations with the Amarrian loyalist bloc, suddenly decided to begin allying itself with mutual enemies, let's say... the Gallente. Let's also postulate that this ISHK loyalist corporation also has an Amarrian loyalist liason within it's ranks. Let's also say that the ISHK related corporation decides not to inform or consult the Liason, nor makes any effort in reaching out to their Amarrian loyalist friends to either explain their motivations or to seek counsel or even help. Let's take this a step further, and let's say this ISHK related entity decided to align itself more specifically with Gallente militia who are actively blasphemers and who insult our Empress without any regard to courtesy. Let's take this one final step further, let's also say that when the Amarrian loyalist allies find out about this and decide to speak to the ISHK loyalist entity to seek more information, and yet no satisfactory answer is given. Here is my question to you Paladin Farel... is it at all fair to state the the amarrian bloc had this happen to them due to their lack of "openness?". Should anyone at all be surprised that the Amarrian loyalists felt both betrayed and offended at the ISHK loyalist organization's actions?

Kahar Dex
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.16 11:25:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Kahar Dex on 16/04/2011 11:28:08
Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Vaari
Altough Imperial Pharmacy values spiritual life over material, we cannot live solely without material goods. Ark were our most important ship, and we want it back.


For forty millenniums we struggled in the desert.
Time of infinity to grief our misgivings.
Time of eternity to stray without God's guidance.
One can repent and pray for forgiveness.
But true meekness is one that has penetrated and laid its roots in the very heart of a man.
The stars above will not weep for us parting.
The air we breathe won't notice our disappearance.
The dirt of the earth will embrace our decadence.
Only in God can we thrive and grow.
Only God.

Kuria 4:23.

How long have you struggled Vaari? Is there true meekness in yourself? You seem to suggest you cannot live without your Ark? If so, why aren't you dead yet?

The reimbursement of your Ark is an insignificant issue. You insisitence on reimbursement and your current pre-occupation with material possesions (like a T2 BPO) should be an indication that you have strayed from the true path yourself.


In my discussions with Lord Vaari, this was a very point which I brought up. That matters of the spiritual take precedence over all else. Unfortunately however, Vaari feels that repayment for the lost Ark is the only way in which he would seek reconciliation. Additionally, he wishes the CVA to compensate him, when in fact it was members of another alliance who destroyed the Ark when they had taken notice that IPHAR was listed as KOS.

I pray that Lord Vaari will see that reconciliation is far more pleasing in the sight of the Lord than mere material compensation. I would not be surprised if God would then reward Vaari for his leap of faith and obedience to the scriptures:
"Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens."
- The Scriptures, Book of Missions 71:21

GoGo Yubari
Veto.
Posted - 2011.04.16 11:35:00 - [46]
 

Pardon me as I degrade myself by partaking in a quick snide comment here, but the fact that CVA is taking a well known madman's rants seriously on GalNet is quite amusing. Doesn't really speak that well of the "Amarrian bloc" in general that the largest problems in their internal affairs are the doings of a mental patient.

I guess their belief in God's limitless Grace is powerful indeed.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.04.16 16:56:00 - [47]
 

Thank you for your answer lord Merdaneth.

Originally by: Kahar Dex
This all boils down to legitimacy Paladin Farel. Our internal records show that IPHAR was made KOS two hours before the loss of the Ark. Lord Vaari was warned several times to recant of his public libel, and even offered a chance by Lord Hardin to establish normative relations. Unfortunately steps were not taken on behalf of IPHAR to seek reconciliation, therefore the loss of the Ark was legitimate.

With regards to your "hypothetical situation", whether a certain "Ishukone" related entity decided to turn it's back on the CVA and the rest of the Amarrian bloc, I dare say it would be a sign of God if their reasons for doing so were legitimate. If however, the reason for an "Ishukone" related entity turned it's back on the Amarrian loyalist bloc simply because their Amarr allies strongly disapproved of them working with Gallente Militia forces to destroy state protectorate pilots, I would say that it is simply bad decision making on the part of the "Ishukone" related corporation. And if this so called "Ishukone" related entity turned it's back on the CVA for example due to imaginary debts for which they can offer no proof then again, I believe it is simply their foolhardiness.

Your question leads me to believe that perhaps you do not have all of the information necessary to make a qualified judgement regarding the situation with I-RED, no offense intended Paladin, simply an observation. For simplicity's sake, I'd like to ask you a hypothetical question:

Let's say that an ISHK loyalist entity who had years of positive and good relations with the Amarrian loyalist bloc, suddenly decided to begin allying itself with mutual enemies, let's say... the Gallente. Let's also postulate that this ISHK loyalist corporation also has an Amarrian loyalist liason within it's ranks. Let's also say that the ISHK related corporation decides not to inform or consult the Liason, nor makes any effort in reaching out to their Amarrian loyalist friends to either explain their motivations or to seek counsel or even help. Let's take this a step further, and let's say this ISHK related entity decided to align itself more specifically with Gallente militia who are actively blasphemers and who insult our Empress without any regard to courtesy. Let's take this one final step further, let's also say that when the Amarrian loyalist allies find out about this and decide to speak to the ISHK loyalist entity to seek more information, and yet no satisfactory answer is given. Here is my question to you Paladin Farel... is it at all fair to state the the amarrian bloc had this happen to them due to their lack of "openness?". Should anyone at all be surprised that the Amarrian loyalists felt both betrayed and offended at the ISHK loyalist organization's actions?


Overseer Dex,

You are consciously evading my question to focus on the mere rhetorical examples I was quoting to support my question to lord Merdaneth (examples that were not inevitably true themselves), question that was centered on his theory concerning God signs. Again, I am not accusing anyone of anything. As you pointed it out unnecessarily, I do not have all the information under my hands to judge anyone here in this Ark/BPO/debts matters, only my detachement. As such, your answer leads me to believe that you obviously have not understood the meaning of my question. No offense intended, overseer, simply an observation.

Besides this, since when "Gallente" are the enemy of the CVA ? I don't remember of such a fact.

Kahar Dex
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.16 18:08:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Lyn Farel

Overseer Dex,

You are consciously evading my question to focus on the mere rhetorical examples I was quoting to support my question to lord Merdaneth (examples that were not inevitably true themselves), question that was centered on his theory concerning God signs. Again, I am not accusing anyone of anything. As you pointed it out unnecessarily, I do not have all the information under my hands to judge anyone here in this Ark/BPO/debts matters, only my detachement. As such, your answer leads me to believe that you obviously have not understood the meaning of my question. No offense intended, overseer, simply an observation.

Besides this, since when "Gallente" are the enemy of the CVA ? I don't remember of such a fact.


Paladin Farel -

You will have to extend forgiveness if I did not understand your question with regard to your intended meaning. You will have to rephrase for my better understanding.

As to your last remarks, the CVA is loyal to Empire, Empress and God. As the Gallente Federation are at war with the Empire, and since the Empress has not issued a surrender or extension of friendship to the Federation, it therefore then goes to say that yes, Gallente Federation loyalists are enemies of the Amarr Empire and thus by extension the CVA.

Yours,
Kahar Dex
Overseer, Defensores Fidei
CVA Clergy

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2011.04.16 19:31:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Kahar Dex
Originally by: Lyn Farel

Overseer Dex,

You are consciously evading my question to focus on the mere rhetorical examples I was quoting to support my question to lord Merdaneth (examples that were not inevitably true themselves), question that was centered on his theory concerning God signs. Again, I am not accusing anyone of anything. As you pointed it out unnecessarily, I do not have all the information under my hands to judge anyone here in this Ark/BPO/debts matters, only my detachement. As such, your answer leads me to believe that you obviously have not understood the meaning of my question. No offense intended, overseer, simply an observation.

Besides this, since when "Gallente" are the enemy of the CVA ? I don't remember of such a fact.


Paladin Farel -

You will have to extend forgiveness if I did not understand your question with regard to your intended meaning. You will have to rephrase for my better understanding.

As to your last remarks, the CVA is loyal to Empire, Empress and God. As the Gallente Federation are at war with the Empire, and since the Empress has not issued a surrender or extension of friendship to the Federation, it therefore then goes to say that yes, Gallente Federation loyalists are enemies of the Amarr Empire and thus by extension the CVA.

Yours,
Kahar Dex
Overseer, Defensores Fidei
CVA Clergy


Overseer Dex,

You might want to check or update the CVA KOS policies, maybe : here and here. I must also point out the fact that the empires are only partially at war with each other, and this is framed into the Militias Emergency Powers Act.

Please note that I always keep close to my heart the interests of the CVA, again.

Respectfuly,
Farel.

Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
Posted - 2011.04.16 20:22:00 - [50]
 

I would like to correct Overseed Dex's statements. Imperial Pharmacy has never put material lust over the spiritual life. This time, matter is more political than before.

Imperial Pharmacy was under 2 different assault. First was excommunication from our beloved Providence bloc, and second was physical assault against our Ark.

First one contained also putting me on kos list, which were responded by confiscating the CVA's T2 BPO. Second assault against our ark only strengthened our resolve to stand against the heresy of CVA, but also put CVA in very difficult position. 3 members from my corp can confirm that Imperial Pharmacy were not in kos list when our ark was assaulted. Me, Max Gank and Armando Lambre.

It is little amusing how CVA's clergy tries to negotiate with copying text of Holy Scriptures to us, when CVA's allie itself severed our ties from them by assaulting against our most important ship and destoroyng it. Not to mention expelling us from the Providence bloc before that.

I have made the most generous offer to the CVA, and it will not be negotiated. CVA will accept it, or we are enemies. Imperial Pharmacy will always welcomes new negotiations with CVA, for we do not want to be their enemies. We share long and glorious history with them, but current price for their friendship is too high.

Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
Posted - 2011.04.16 20:24:00 - [51]
 

I must also say, that CVA member, Disco Tex has been very active self proclaimed diplomat of the CVA. No day passes without his threatening in our public channel. He have even threatened me to get beating when im in planet.

Disco Tex is surely the CVA's history most inefficient diplomat, since he know only words which implicate to threats, cursing and smacking.

Spoon Thumb
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2011.04.19 00:00:00 - [52]
 


Did someone say Spoon?

Esan Vartesa
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.04.19 15:46:00 - [53]
 

It is noteworthy that as Greater Amarria has gathered behind the banner of CVA, bringing together the strength and wisdom of God-fearing men and women from all over New Eden, this shining beacon of hope and promise is also attracting other elements, driven by greed and selfishness, who only seek to steal a little light to fill their empty selves.

Like moths to a flame. In the end, they burn.

Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
Posted - 2011.04.20 12:48:00 - [54]
 

You speak like CVA is some kind of official extension of the Empire or God, which is not true. In past, CVA has proven time and time again how it values money more than anything else.

durka dreckly
Posted - 2011.04.20 16:12:00 - [55]
 

Yet it is you who stole a T2 BPO and are bleating about having a ship replaced, you really are a fool if you expect people take you seriously.

Vaari
Amarr
Imperial Pharmacy
Posted - 2011.04.20 16:48:00 - [56]
 

If they have already sent their diplomat to negotiate with me, and are already proposed a treaty which was very tempting, i dont expect them to take me seriously. I know they take me seriously.

I have stolen nothing. Confiscating that BPo were and is self defence against the wrongdoers, who have thousands of times more resources in their disposal than i do.

Armando Lambre
Posted - 2011.06.18 23:41:00 - [57]
 

For clarification to all.
That arc project was mine only, i started it and finished it. with ower 80 % my own resurces.
That ark was mine. Second i have gived to company.
i lost my ark only becose i did not seed eny threat from tinator to Me.
I was on my regular manufacturing trip in mamet.
I dont care about one ship. Afterall what matter in eve is who you trust and what you do.
thats it.

Kazzzi
Amarr
Heathen Legion
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.06.19 01:31:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Vaari
You speak like CVA is some kind of official extension of the Empire or God, which is not true. In past, CVA has proven time and time again how it values money more than anything else.


Originally by: Alistair Cononach
CVA in real terms has little ties to the Empire and Empire policy in general


Anabella Rella
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.06.19 05:37:00 - [59]
 

You imperials treat one of your own in this way and yet the rest of us are supposed to believe that you'd suddenly become compassionate, caring stewards if we all simply accepted your deity, culture, etc?

No thanks. Do us all a favor and keep your "gift" to yourselves.

Lord Vaari: How many times do you have to be shot at, harassed and publicly ridiculed before you realize that these so-called loyalists are not now and likely never have been your friends? Renounce them, leave their corrupt space and forge a new life for yourself and your corporation outside of Providence.



Tarryn Nightstorm
Minmatar
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
Posted - 2011.06.19 09:00:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Leana Tani
Originally by: Vaari
barbacy

Down with this sort of thing! Clean shaves are much more attractive.


Ah. Hem.


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