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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
Posted - 2011.04.11 12:13:00 - [241]
 

Polished content sells! Wait till Second Life in space... we're only WoD beta testers.

Dray
Caldari
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.04.11 12:41:00 - [242]
 


Jorgan Niklow
Posted - 2011.04.11 12:43:00 - [243]
 

Supported.

CCP needs a new EVE centric direction that makes EVE great, adding things to a game isn't a path to greatness when you don't follow up or fill in the blanks. EVE has many blank spots and broken features that if CCP fixed/addressed would be 'new' selling points instead of half truths about things you can do/would want to do in game.

I'm sure WOD and Dust are to blame for EVE being neglected but it isn't them alone, CCP took their eye off the ball in search of more money from EVE instead of trying to keep/make their product better.


I'thari
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.04.11 12:45:00 - [244]
 

Originally by: Heavenly Blues
...Who ever said that CCP games is becoming another Electronic Arts hit the nail on the head...
CCP did it: EA is their rolemodel. I thought that CCP statement is a common knowledge...

Will support, but hardly anything will change after second "commit to excellence" thread, I think.

Zerp Metesur
Posted - 2011.04.11 13:10:00 - [245]
 

We've been making these threads for 5 years. They didn't listen then and they wont listen now. So long as you're subscribing they wont think they need to care.

CrossedSwords
Caldari
Posted - 2011.04.11 13:53:00 - [246]
 

signed

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.04.11 14:17:00 - [247]
 

Originally by: Zerp Metesur
We've been making these threads for 5 years. They didn't listen then and they wont listen now. So long as you're subscribing they wont think they need to care.


Unsubscribed and continue posting

Alvia Div
Posted - 2011.04.11 14:32:00 - [248]
 


Kittamaru
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2011.04.11 14:41:00 - [249]
 

+1 Support for sure... CCP needs to SERIOUSLY take a look at where they are going, who their player base is, etc... I hate to say it, but the latest changes seem almost AIMED at helping those that bot get ahead...

Belid Hagen
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.04.11 15:57:00 - [250]
 


Tarikan
Minmatar
Hardcore p0wnography
Posted - 2011.04.11 16:13:00 - [251]
 

supported as much as i can.


Manyar
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.04.11 16:14:00 - [252]
 

Yes please.

Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.04.11 16:37:00 - [253]
 

Polished old content > new content that doesn't work well or add anything significant.

Please evaluate the hot topics that have been going on rather than add more stuff that needs reworking but is left as is to make even more new stuff that needs reworking.

Zindela
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2011.04.11 16:39:00 - [254]
 

I support this topic.

Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.04.11 16:51:00 - [255]
 

Originally by: krickettt
Supported. Tired of broken features. CCP needs a new QA team as well.

Darjeedis
Posted - 2011.04.11 17:52:00 - [256]
 

Just here to give my full support to this thread.

I have been considering pulling all accounts to a slowly failing game before I get too invested, I still enjoy playing it but as an IT professional and where anyone who claims to be a professional knows that it's Quality over Quantity. Even if it goes against the claims of your accounting/finance dept.

Seriously stand up for the community and fight against releasing horribly inadequate and rushed content.

Just as any professional hair dresser knows how to do more than give a buzz cut, so too must developers and service providers. as craftsmen your status is dictated by your work and ability to cover all bases and provide quality work in a transparent way.

Failing this just makes CCP as a whole appear both unprofessional and incapable of quality work. Some teams of CCP are doing fantastic. Incursion was great, and so too are the improvements and optimizations taking place to the engine.

However this:
The Day the Forums Died
tells a very different story

Security holes?:Check
Code injection:Check
User PC threatened: Check
Un-encrypted cookies:Check
Authentication via editable cookie:Check
Ability to impersonate others:Check
Stable release: Not so much Rolling Eyes

TL;DR

Don't do this to yourselves. Start caring about your customers or we promise to stop caring about you.

Sippy Sexsmith
Posted - 2011.04.11 18:17:00 - [257]
 

I am in full support of polished content vs. rushed broken content.

Alias 6322A
Posted - 2011.04.11 18:34:00 - [258]
 


Kith Kanann
Minmatar
Pator Tech Corp

Posted - 2011.04.11 18:51:00 - [259]
 


Clementina
The Scope

Posted - 2011.04.11 19:12:00 - [260]
 

I would like to signal my agreement with Akita T. She is saying what needs to be done.

INDEEDWATSON Watsonindeed
Posted - 2011.04.11 19:24:00 - [261]
 

Edited by: INDEEDWATSON Watsonindeed on 11/04/2011 19:25:03
I'm hardly aware of what actually needs to be done (haven't played the game long or deep enough) and I don't care to read it all.

But I know that most causes for games are good ones - unless they're pro-racist trolling or something. Lol.

cyndrogen
Posted - 2011.04.11 19:30:00 - [262]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 14:06:22



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We're patient. We can wait. We want quality.

We don't care about your so-called market research that tells you rushed and unpolished new features would sell better than older, sturdy, polished content.
That might be the case for WoW clones, BUT NOT FOR EVE.
You had some major dips in subscription counts after each new expansion lately, and those were the expansions with heavy-duty advertising and plenty of "new features" (which didn't quite work right, and most of them still don't).
Overall, on average, the subscriber count slope didn't get steeper.
In fact, one could argue you have been losing momentum.

Save your money that you spend on advertising, word of mouth got you your userbase, word of mouth WILL KEEP getting you a larger userbase.
Customers you get from "shiny new stuff" (that doesn't actually work properly anyway) won't stay long enough, and by the time you pumped everything full of barely functional junk, you will have alienated a big portion of the user base.

Didn't the last fanfest reactions tell you WHAT the userbase wants ?
Didn't you hear the cheers after the announcement of MINOR polish stuff ?


Learn from your mistakes, CCP.
It's not too late to alter this self-destructive new policy.
STOP RUSHING OUT UNPOLISHED JUNK AND FOCUS ON FIXING WHAT'S BROKEN BEFORE PROCEEDING.

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This goes BEYOND the "commitment to excellence", it's actually a plea to whoever inside CCP has eyes to see and ears to listen.
You need to try and convince your boss to convince your boss and so on and so forth.
As long as the mindset amongst CCP's leadership is that "shiny junk sells, old polish doesn't", the EVE vision of future will end up a resounding flop.

Take a look at sales charts, spank some accountants, DO SOMETHING, just stop this madness.

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Here's my MS Paint approximation about the next months in EvE's subscriptions market, even if CCP changed their ways and approach to quality (players discontent inertia):

http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/2381/futuresubsu.jpg

As you can see the trend is exhausting (increasing volatility on the upper graph).
The yellow lines show the slope changes in the "123 zig zag", the cyan are some areas of support or resistance.
and getting more "whipsawing" which is another sign of trend exhaustion.
This trend will peak either at the current high or a next lower high (not drawn) then there will be a sharp drop down to the lower support.
It will break because we will be in summer (low subs period of the year) and an even sharper drop will happen.
After a rebounce (typical bottom W formation), IF CCP changed their ways, they will slowly begin rising up (red line).
If they stay as is, we'll see a further drop (blue line) to dynamic support and then who knows.


Shocked



The user base may be patient but I doubt that the people who hold CCP by the balls will be as understanding.

Iceland is all but bankrupt, their three major banks have enslaved the people of Iceland by borrowing and reaching FAR beyond their GDP. CCP has to increase their use base and show they are successful even if the game is rotting from the inside. Just keep painting over the dead wood and hope no one notices.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.04.11 21:34:00 - [263]
 

Originally by: cyndrogen
The user base may be patient but I doubt that the people who hold CCP by the balls will be as understanding.

Iceland is all but bankrupt, their three major banks have enslaved the people of Iceland by borrowing and reaching FAR beyond their GDP. CCP has to increase their use base and show they are successful even if the game is rotting from the inside. Just keep painting over the dead wood and hope no one notices.


tbh, considering that CCP gets nearly all their revenue from foreign sources, they have some protection.


doesn't mean they weren't affected tho.

Ed Rush
Erasers inc.
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.04.11 21:54:00 - [264]
 

Would be ironic to see CCP sink like Iceland for being greedy. (WoD, Dust5123123...) :D

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.04.11 22:26:00 - [265]
 

EVE Online has tons of content already. The problem is that amount of it that is broken, or doesn't work well with newer content.

I'd pay cash for expansions, even if there was only one a year (or less frequent), if it meant all the other bugs, annoyances, etc., were addressed before adding more content.

LordElfa
Gallente
Golden Lyon Warriors
Posted - 2011.04.11 23:35:00 - [266]
 

Not supported. This threadnaught is full of over dramatic BS. CCP listens and fixes stuff better than almost any company out there. Stop whining that the fix you want for your style of gameplay hasn't been gotten to yet.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.11 23:53:00 - [267]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 11/04/2011 23:55:26
Originally by: LordElfa
Not supported. This threadnaught is full of over dramatic BS. CCP listens and fixes stuff better than almost any company out there. Stop whining that the fix you want for your style of gameplay hasn't been gotten to yet.

I'm sorry, would that be the "crash-free please, and also hold the incomplete features" gameplay style you are talking about ?
WOULD YOU ALSO LIKE FRIES WITH THAT OR MAYBE SUPERSIZE IT ?

Originally by: cyndrogen
The user base may be patient but I doubt that the people who hold CCP by the balls will be as understanding.

And how do you think those same people will react when income starts dropping as our slightly pessimistic estimates seem to indicate ?
Twisted Evil
If CCP can't resist their pressure now, how do you think they'll do it then, and what abominations will we end up forced to live with ?

Trader20
Posted - 2011.04.12 00:23:00 - [268]
 

Edited by: Trader20 on 12/04/2011 00:33:00

Wow another great crying rant from an "old school" eve online player....yawnnnnnn.....

No the old eve online wasn't better just like ur "glory days" weren't either. You just think they are but ur lying to urself. You just want to blame progress on ur problems so get over it.
Also Akita u remind me of Captain Hindsight (South Park) lol

Instead of addressing the obvious problem why don't you explain (in detail) a solution. No? I guess it's just easier to whine Rolling Eyes



Edit: Oh wait I forgot my solution....keep on doing the great work CCP, more content, features, etc.
Don't let the hater's tears get u all wet Laughing

FishermansFriend
Posted - 2011.04.12 00:41:00 - [269]
 

Originally by: Trader20
Edited by: Trader20 on 12/04/2011 00:33:00

Wow another great crying rant from an "old school" eve online player....yawnnnnnn.....

No the old eve online wasn't better just like ur "glory days" weren't either. You just think they are but ur lying to urself. You just want to blame progress on ur problems so get over it.
Also Akita u remind me of Captain Hindsight (South Park) lol

Instead of addressing the obvious problem why don't you explain (in detail) a solution. No? I guess it's just easier to whine Rolling Eyes

Im gonna take the bait but, countless solutions have been proposed, all people are looking for is some respect from CCP in the form of acknowledgment that they screwed up. and a promise that the future will focus on the core EvE rather than projects like WoD and Dust and even Incarna that are not destined to fail like many will say, but just cant be focused on without degrading the main product CCP put's out.



Edit: Oh wait I forgot my solution....keep on doing the great work CCP, more content, features, etc.
Don't let the hater's tears get u all wet Laughing

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.12 00:45:00 - [270]
 

Originally by: Trader20
No the old eve online wasn't better just like ur "glory days" weren't either. You just think they are but ur lying to urself. You just want to blame progress on ur problems so get over it.

I didn't say the GAME was better back then. Obviously, over time, SOME things EVENTUALLY got polished, so all the old stuff is better and we have new stuff alongside it. BUT THE NEW STUFF IS MOSTLY CRAP. Or suffered from meltdown soon after it was introduced. Or was recalled soon after going live. OR WORSE, it arrives feature-incomplete, buggy as hell and even more annoying, and it REMAINS mostly like that for, oh, at least a few years ?
The "glory days" I was referring to do not relate to individual content pieces, but the mentality of the dev team actually followed, constantly improving on the old stuff bit by bit while also trying to put some new stuff in WHEN READY, instead of the current situation where most old content (with very few exceptions) gets neglected while huge grandstanding displays of upcoming features (which never work as advertised) became the norm.

If you can't understand the difference, sorry for you.


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Also Akita u remind me of Captain Hindsight (South Park) lol

The obvious difference being that I have a pretty decent track record of FORESIGHT, as opposed to just Hindsight.
Also, you appear to completely lack the powers of Captain Hindsight yourself.

Quote:
Instead of addressing the obvious problem why don't you explain (in detail) a solution. No? I guess it's just easier to whine Rolling Eyes

How about you learn to read what was written in the OP ?

Quote:
Edit: Oh wait I forgot my solution....keep on doing the great work CCP, more content, features, etc.
Don't let the hater's tears get u all wet Laughing

WHAT A COINCIDENCE ! That was EXACTLY the same thing I said !
The only difference is that you seem to think that lately CCP has actually been pushing out the same level of quality they used to.
I got news for you, they aren't doing that anymore.


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