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Smoogle
Caldari
Posted - 2011.04.11 02:22:00 - [211]
 


Mortania
Minmatar
No Compromise
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.04.11 02:45:00 - [212]
 

Edited by: Mortania on 11/04/2011 02:45:22
Originally by: Zofran
Edited by: Zofran on 10/04/2011 20:25:30
A few days ago some guy I know from working with game dev was talking about other Icelandic developers, some of which have financial interests in his company (which is a small, indy place... they are just backing). He's a pretty big CCP fanboy, so I give I'm a go with talking about how the mismanagement is driving them into the ground and... amazingly he actually agreed based on talking to one of the partners; now you're thinking "ok who cares".

Anyway, the person in question is generally referred to with a name starting with an 'H' and not including the "CCP" prefix and has been around forever. This person claimed that CCP was pretty much killing itself by making people like him work on the business aspects while the technical and game dev side was being overrun by business types or "game devs"(the ones that cant code), who have no clue at all and just want to do gimmicky bull**** to please investors. He wanted to realign to the early days where there was a more involved steering from the high-up technical types, but was struggling with the "how".

Just thought I'd put that out there - I'm sure he'd never confirm saying that, but I felt it nice to know that at least one of the oldguard had a clue. Trust me, dont trust me... I don't care.

Get rid of the bodies, stop hiring community tools and "yes-men" who are just going to continue this. Stop listening to all your commercially interested partnerships and start looking to do things fresh, Python was a great idea and made eve possible, all of your other infrastructure choices have been based on partnerships and money, lets stop screwing the consumer who is paying for that experience. Middleware is not the solution either. At the end of the day, we'd rather have a small company doing less grand expansions (who cares about Dust/Incarna when the core game is rotting), we want the quality and gameplay back - you don't need to be the big playa to do that.

At the end of the day, if you make that choice too late, after Dust fails and your investors run... you've lost the game son.


I remember saying something along these lines... in 2007!
http://eve-search.com/thread/510134/page/2#36

Oh yeah, I even got a response and reply in directly with Oveur on the subject:
http://eve-search.com/thread/510134/page/2#52



ItsmeHcK1
Lucifer's Hammer
Burn Away
Posted - 2011.04.11 02:47:00 - [213]
 

Poasting in the middle of the night for the sole purpose of supporting dis.

Cassus Temon
Aliastra

Posted - 2011.04.11 03:20:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: "Clathea Sata"
...cleverer than the staff in CCP...
Rolling Eyes

That small irony aside Smile, I think I agree with most of what you posted there. Nice format and presentation of argument too. Something I wish I was better at.

Those massive dips in the chart are actually, mostly, new users that get drawn in by the advertising campaign's and cool artwork, then drop as they realize the game is too hard, or doesn't meet their expectations. No surprise there. What is a surprise, is that we still haven't hit the "...400,000 players in one universe," that was advertised some time ago. Is that chart actually accurate? Where does it come from?

Not that important really.

Supported by the way, but with the usual reservations.

I like new content, and I'd like to see more. The new avatars are super nice, and the coming Incarna features should add greatly to the immersion qualities of the game, or at least make it so station spinning isn't quite so uninteresting, for those of us that have a hard time with immersion.

Once we see the release of the Incarna expansion, promised for a long time now, I would like CCP to drop any new proposals, and begin working on polishing current features. I intend to put up a thread on those features I'd like to see worked on, redone, and released fully functional.

There are bugs and graphics issues that I see as a problem too. One is the effect of Light on POS structures. Environmental occlusion, specular effects, or whatever it is, it has to go. I have a nice PC with a GTX 460 GPU, and shouldn't be having issues like that. My PC is quite capable of rendering everything in the game, and doing it very nicely. Yet, entire POS towers become big blob's of white light, that flicker and mess up my game experience at times. This happens to gates too, and has been occuring off-and-on with regularity, since the release of Dominion.

The new client, from 1.41 or whatever latest patch/hotfix, is also tremendously slow to start up. A full wipe of my PC's shadow cache, anti-virus sweep, and defrag has done nothing to fix it. It takes about 10x longer to start the client now, and till the hotfix, crashed 1 out of 3 times. After the hotfix, it just went back to maybe you can log in 3 times consecutively, and maybe you can't. It still takes forever to get to the splash screen.

Aside from those, and whatever internet maleficient is trying to hack my computer, (possibly succeeding), I don't have many problems. (I had to change one of my Account's passwords and Full/Limited API's 3 times last week, and I'm still not sure if I got past the keylogger.) I also don't use a lot of the same game mechanics that others do. Nothing Sov related, no Faction warfare, blob warfare, etc... There are possibly many bug's/glitches which I have never experienced.

Either way, I am in agreement, that a great many things need to be fixed, before EVE and CCP can or should move on to develop further expansions. EVE could see a year of minimal releases of new content, with all that we've seen in the last. Things need to be addressed first, to satisfy current and past subscriber's, and many of them are on these forums in threads like this one.

Ship Rebalance
Industry
POS
Faction Warfare
New Features Polished (Character Creator is working like a slug, and I think they mixed up the facial models) i.e.: CCP needs a defrag.
etc...

Bug's and glitches cleaned up. This goes with above suggestion of a defrag, as I'm convinced many of these, are the result of poorly compiled code, or database issues. Functional and working on SISI, to completely sluggish and missing/improperly placed features on TQ is suggestive of this. I know the Vherokior nose wasn't a pyramid shape before, so what happened? Caldari/Civire features, and Gallente/Intaki buggered too.

Not really important, but Vherokior tuck/untuck pants in boots option was messed up too, with recent patch.

Lot's of fixes need to be looked at.

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.04.11 03:25:00 - [215]
 

Edited by: Asuri Kinnes on 11/04/2011 03:27:38
Originally by: Sellador
Omg, this is so funny and pathetic.

<<snippage of irrelevant troll>>
you are going to change what this company is and does for the last 8 years with EvE online? please

No you mental midget, learn to read - what Akita wants (and the rest of us want) is for CCP to go back to what made Eve and CCP great for so long and to stop listening to people who:
a) don't play the game...
b) dont' have a clue about gameplay and...
c) don't care about the game...

Saying stupid **** like "polished content doesn't sell as well as new content..." shows a real shift away from what CCP used to be.

EDIT: To add, you do realize that our posting on the *old* disabled forums, not the new, shiny forums...?

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.04.11 04:15:00 - [216]
 

Supporting this because there are a mountain of things that I'd like to see CCP fix, rather than working on new crap that will come out-of-the-box pre-nerfed/underdeveloped and never get looked at again.

FishermansFriend
Posted - 2011.04.11 04:15:00 - [217]
 

Hold on a second... Why are we even starting this proposal if it may not be able to be seen by everyone seeing as the "forum" button on the website redirected to the new forums for the short stint they were operational. What happens when CCP switches back to the new forums and this gets buried as a read only thread.

The WiCk3D
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.04.11 04:40:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: ItsmeHcK1
Poasting in the middle of the night for the sole purpose of supporting dis.

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.04.11 05:16:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: FishermansFriend
Hold on a second... Why are we even starting this proposal if it may not be able to be seen by everyone seeing as the "forum" button on the website redirected to the new forums for the short stint they were operational. What happens when CCP switches back to the new forums and this gets buried as a read only thread.

Let's hope CCP let us keep using the old forums :/

Zargyl
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.11 06:50:00 - [220]
 

Supported as well.

Quote:
Our shiny new forums havenít worked quite as expected and they have been going up and down a few times.

http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4518&tid=1

Please stop giving us "shiny" new stuff, just because you think it is shiny when the new stuff does less than the old ons. The "shiny" forum didn't even seem to support the posting of pictures ...

Jokerface666
Amarr
Posted - 2011.04.11 07:39:00 - [221]
 

Me wants functional stuff, it can look like a brick if it works well!

DO IT THE RUSSIAN WAY!

Felo Maxun
Posted - 2011.04.11 09:13:00 - [222]
 

Signed


Anne Arqui
Minmatar
Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises

Posted - 2011.04.11 09:30:00 - [223]
 

Edited by: Anne Arqui on 11/04/2011 09:30:11
it's calling in the desert but someone has to do it ...

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.11 09:33:00 - [224]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 11/04/2011 09:40:55
Originally by: Cassus Temon
Is that chart actually accurate? Where does it come from?

Official CCP Quarterly Economic Newsletter, Q4 2010, page 8.
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/QEN/QEN_Q4-2010.pdf

Originally by: Cassus Temon
Supported by the way, but with the usual reservations.
I like new content, and I'd like to see more.

Like I was saying somewhere else...

It's more of a question of picking between "shiny new junk" vs "polished old awesome".
Basically, between chasing for new subs vs making old subs stick around longer.

We all feel quite clearly about "shiny new awesome" (universally loved) and "polished old junk" (which almost nobody cares about, but also, we're not annoyed by it too much either).

knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.

Posted - 2011.04.11 09:40:00 - [225]
 

Time to polish content ccp. It would be nice if you remembered where not players but valued customers.

Dauphin Gormandise
Posted - 2011.04.11 09:42:00 - [226]
 

Doubt this will get read, but supported

McPep
Caldari
Posted - 2011.04.11 10:47:00 - [227]
 


Doris Dragonbreath
StarHunt
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2011.04.11 10:50:00 - [228]
 

Right. WTF is going on in there CCP ? The last patch is .. to put it politely .. underwhelming.

Brian Khan
Amarr
StarHunt
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2011.04.11 10:50:00 - [229]
 

Underwhelming I say!

Mia Silverfang
Posted - 2011.04.11 10:51:00 - [230]
 

Nerd RAGE!

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2011.04.11 10:52:00 - [231]
 

Yes, my main account is still active as well. I just like Doris picture better. Unfortunately at this point already some of my accounts have expired with no current plan for reactivation.

Kaarnakivi
Posted - 2011.04.11 10:53:00 - [232]
 

I want my excellence!

NeutronRonk
Posted - 2011.04.11 10:54:00 - [233]
 

Excellence I say!

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Posted - 2011.04.11 10:54:00 - [234]
 

Ridiculous to think that this forum thread will actually even hit the radar of most of CCP's decision makers let alone convince them to do anything about it, but I agree with most of it nevertheless.

Less fluff marketing like "A Future Vision" (? - Stuff that up your cornhole) ; more meat in the content sandwich. Thanks.

Tehnomaag
StarHunt
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2011.04.11 10:55:00 - [235]
 

Obviously I feel quite strong about it considering the amount of accounts I have voting in here.

Bongvir
Posted - 2011.04.11 10:55:00 - [236]
 

I agree.

Salasilm
Posted - 2011.04.11 10:56:00 - [237]
 

Seriously CCP, get your stuff togehter.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.11 10:57:00 - [238]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 11/04/2011 10:57:38
Originally by: Vyktor Abyss
Ridiculous to think that this forum thread will actually even hit the radar of most of CCP's decision makers let alone convince them to do anything about it, but I agree with most of it nevertheless.

Well, to be perfectly fair, I seriously doubt it will directly convince any of the higher-ups if they even get to see it, and I also sort of doubt many of the lower-tiered devs that might agree with it will actually do something about it (other than, you know, what they probably already were trying to do without it anyway), but in this type of situation, every little bit has a infinitesimally small chance of helping, so, you know, why not just do it...
P.S. Beats singing fake praises to CCP's current direction.

Heavenly Blues
Posted - 2011.04.11 11:19:00 - [239]
 

Edited by: Heavenly Blues on 11/04/2011 11:21:32
Quality > Quantity.

Who ever said that CCP games is becoming another Electronic Arts hit the nail on the head. Clean house and get rid of all the untalented money grubbing sellouts that only dream as far as the next quarter's earnings. That kind of sheisty 1980s business feck all aditude has run the global economy into the ground. Don't think that those vampires wont suck the marrow from your companies bones and move on to the next feast after you are used up.

Ryo Ishikawa
Posted - 2011.04.11 11:20:00 - [240]
 

I wholeheartedly agree about this.


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