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Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics

Posted - 2011.04.10 12:41:00 - [91]
 

+1

William Henry McGregor
Posted - 2011.04.10 12:48:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: William Henry McGregor on 10/04/2011 12:48:10
Originally by: Idami Raptor
Edited by: Idami Raptor on 10/04/2011 04:34:44
Something that just occured to me... earlier someone, I think Akita, said something to the effect that it was about two or three years ago when the signs of the management problems started to appear.

Now read this...surprisingly google did a pretty good job with this one.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vb.is%2Ffrett%2F9841%2F

in 2008, CCP sold a whole bunch of new shares to raise money to help fund Dust, and the major listed owners include a US based investment company and a UK based investment company run by Iceland's lone billionare whose true owners hide behind shell companies...

Given the timing one has to wonder if the root of the problem isn't the company's management but its OWNERSHIP!

This is the solution to the current problems of CCP/the game Evil or Very Mad
Never let any "investors" in, NEVER!
Stay small and deliver on your promises - don't let yourself be fscked by greedy capitalists!

The future of EVE Online looks very dark Sad

EVE Online:
Vision - great
Delivery - what delivery?!

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2011.04.10 13:00:00 - [93]
 

SUPPORT.

LOOK CCP HOW WHEN YOU GAVE GOOD QUALITY EXPANSION AKA APOCRYPHA AND WHAT IT DID TO YOUR SUBSCRIPTION NUMBERS.

Now go compare numbers to your failed 3 lastest expansions.

Stark Thunder
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2011.04.10 13:03:00 - [94]
 

+1

Finarfin
Posted - 2011.04.10 13:03:00 - [95]
 

I support this notion.

Rixiu
The Inuits
Posted - 2011.04.10 13:11:00 - [96]
 

Supportin tis.

Dasola
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.04.10 13:12:00 - [97]
 

Yes i do suport this with all my 6 accounts... Fix the old, broken and half functional stuff please.

Jame Jarl Retief
Posted - 2011.04.10 13:14:00 - [98]
 

Edited by: Jame Jarl Retief on 10/04/2011 13:14:45
Excellent post, and I echo it wholeheartedly.

However, at this stage, I must be realistic. They HAVE to release Incarna this summer, even if it is just CQ. They have to. They spent way too much time and money on it already to scrap it now. Otherwise it is in risk of becoming a never-ending vicious cycle. By the time they improve and polish it, what they improved is now outdated and needs further improvement, and by then it is outdated again. We saw this in Darkfall - by the time the game finally "released", if that's the right word, it was still badly outdated in every respect.

What I would settle for, and even be happy with, is them wrapping up Incarna (both CQ and stations) within this calendar year. Just release it, such as it is, and forget about it. CCP just doesn't have the resources or manpower to turn that part of the game into a full-fledged sci-fi sim. There's no shame in that, you can't be everything to everybody.

And then the rushed releases of new stuff need to be stopped. New stuff, period, needs to be stopped. Including DUST (how anyone can think that game will do well ON CONSOLES is beyond me). Focus on the game itself, focus on fixing stuff that's been broken for a long, long time.

Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol

Posted - 2011.04.10 13:19:00 - [99]
 

I must agree.

EVE is suffering terribly from poor management. As someone who has managed groups of deveopers in the past, I understand that herding cats is sheer simplicity in comparison. But it is a job that MUST be done, and competently.

CCP, your management of the software development process, from A to Z, is terrible. No, worse than terrible - it is embarrassing. Stop breaking things that work. Go back and document your code base. Get your developers to re-use objects instead of building new ones from scratch every time. Go fix the things you have broken before you start making new things.

You are on a downward path that will lead to your inevitable demise and I enjoy this game too much to want that to happen!


Raid'En
Posted - 2011.04.10 13:20:00 - [100]
 

Edited by: Raid''En on 10/04/2011 13:21:19

as someone who have cancelled his account a few times, and came back a few times, i'm sure of one thing :
the new toys are often a good idea to come back to the game and pay 1 month of suscription...
BUT they are NOT enough to make us pay for the next month if they are not finished.

cause when you come back to see something new who looks cool, you're still gonna look at others things, and remember how awful where some others things who needed fixes.
and there's even more risk that after a few days / weeks you realize the new features who looked so cool is not that cool, and it would have been better waiting more before releasing it.

btw tell me if i'm wrong, but we never asked for new forums right ? we may have asked for improving current one, but never asked for changing all things, moreover to something most people don't like at all... and i didn't even talked about the bugs here.

ps : i'm waiting for captain quarter on the TEST server, but i'm not waiting AT ALL for it to go on LIVE server.
i'm just curious, and want to see if it's really without any interest as i though, or if i was wrong.
however i would be way more interested by seeing a real incarna, WITH REAL USEFUL FEATURES, appearing.
the CQ we don't care about, for us it's just an idea of what the future real thing could be.
CQ is a little toy, that's all.
give it some useful features that we don't really have if you want results on long term. if not, you'll only see numbers improving on the 1st month, and that's all.

Nimbat
Posted - 2011.04.10 13:26:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: Nimbat on 10/04/2011 13:26:01
The trees are swaying in the chants of tibetan monks, screeching little kids flying in the ocean without constraint. This is where we are. This is where there are no rocks and pebbles.

The wood in the bike is not stolen, for he who shall yield will be oppressed. Depression. Intolerance. Words of strenght and glory of days long lost and forgotten.

The echoes in our mind is calling us. A single entity made of rust and dust.
It is here now. We can feel it.

Times are changing. Mark our word.

-Doomsday Prophet Nimbat.

Azureite
Amarr
Special Forces Operation Detachment Delta
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2011.04.10 13:27:00 - [102]
 

Akita T speaks the truth. I cannot possibly agree more.

Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.04.10 13:28:00 - [103]
 

I approve!

The development of the game has reached a point where you cant just "fix" major concepts with little changes to this and that. CCP you need to at least listen to what your players are saying, if needs be setup small 'councils' for 0.0/low sec/empire etc that you can have a chat with and see what's going on (don't fly them out to Iceland but at least talk to them).

If you keep going down this route you are going to rapidly start losing the older players and that might end up working its way back into the e-press, do we really need to remind you what happened when you asked for the best game of 2010 votes or whatever it was?

Jmarr Hyrgund
The Bastards
Posted - 2011.04.10 13:40:00 - [104]
 

Commitment to Excellence Mk 2, Lets push this all the way.

BlankStare
Posted - 2011.04.10 13:42:00 - [105]
 

Yes, Yes, Yes, and Yes.

CCP is not 10 guys in an attic anymore, CCP is a 600 employee multinational company. Its time they started acting like one.

Less vision, more sight.

Degara Farat
Caldari
Posted - 2011.04.10 13:52:00 - [106]
 


NuclearBlue
Amarr
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2011.04.10 13:55:00 - [107]
 

I support this proposal!

Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Merciless.
Posted - 2011.04.10 14:06:00 - [108]
 

that approximation-graph is kinda scary Shocked

Nikita Alterana
Kumiho's Smile

Posted - 2011.04.10 14:14:00 - [109]
 

Akita and Calathea are absolutely right on all accounts. CCP is being monumentally stupid and is throwing away everything they have built. If they don't step back from the edge of the cliff now then it won't matter if they don't jump off it, it won't matter if they plan on backing up later, because the cliff face is going to give way and everything is going to come crashing down.

I love eve, I have eve tattoos, I want to see eve continue for years and years and years. I want to be able to introduce my kids to this game. I want it to have the longevity and the vision and the expansiveness that made me love this game in the first place...but no. No, CCP would rather follow the stupid, stupid market trend data from other MMOs, most of which FAILED by the way, and push out crappy new content to try to get more people at the expense of those who stayed with them and supported them from the beginning.

Eve is not like other MMOs, EVE's community is different. EVE is different. We don't need shiny new features to keep us happy. We don't need new stuff to keep having fun. EVE has no max level. EVE has no top tier epic gear. We the players are capable of keeping ourselves busy without new things to play with. Fix the stuff that needs fixing. Take the time to iterate upon all the stuff you've introduced. Where are other T3s? Where are the fix to Factional Warfare? Where is the industrial expansion? Where is the blaster rebalance? Why hasn't the dead horse POS thread been applied yet?

Your game is dying on the vine while you try to expand your vineyard. Stop focusing on growth. Make a good game and it will grow. Watch Eve Never Fades, remember when that was what you committed to? When your trailers were proud to be made using actual gameplay? When you showed eve as it was, instead of some tarted up studio gimmick?

You don't need to expand the game in the way you are. Look at factional warfare. What did it add to the game? It was a big deal, and you put so much effort and marketing into it to try and get people interested in eve and provide a quick injection to your subscriber base. But that didn't work. Because you didn't tend to faction warfare and take care of it. I doubt you could fix it now if you tried. It is a dead feature. Incursions are going the same way. They are something that absolutely just didn't need to be in the game. They don't add to the game what the game needs. They clutter it. You're taking a beautiful idea, and covering it with clutter and unnecessary additions.

Here is something that needs to happen now. Every time a new expansion comes out. CCP needs to plan ahead to take care of the features they release, and monitor them, and iterate upon them, and build upon them. For years until people stop complaining about it and start asking for new features. If CCP can't commit to taking care of their existing features, then they shouldn't be adding more. This is like parenting 101, its not rocket surgery.

Turn back CCP, before its too late.

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.04.10 14:17:00 - [110]
 

with respect Akita, I think you are preaching to the choir.

the reality is the internal structure of ccp; notably fail management heirarchy based on being a 'cool dude' and 'nordic' and a lack of business wide unified development approach (too many side projects and scrum nonsense) juxtaposed with 'vision' which is neither particularily realistic or technologically viable with the current codebase.

I'm afraid its as good as it gets. tbh when everyone has a carrier in 18 months time I'm pretty sure not even incarna (whatever confused jew-manji that was ever supposed to be) will reverse the trend long term.

start looking forward to wod in approx 18 years time.

light a candle for eve if you want; but you really need to accept ccp doesnt have the will or the financial backing to do what needs to be done - completely revise the codebase and entertain the prospect of a top-down business wide clear out. even if they could raise the cash to hire 500 more specialists nobody wants to live in iceland and work for peanuts and the subscriber base propping it all up won't tolerate any major rebalancing of the economy or the core mechanics. all the managers in the mmo industry are profit focussed and arguably such a radical change in corporate culture would only hasten the demise of ccp as a private company anyway.

moaning about half arsed rc's might make you popular on the forums - but I'm sure pretty much everyone in the trenches at ccp knows what the issues are.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.04.10 14:17:00 - [111]
 

I think CCP's new mantra should be Deliver Excellence, not one or the other.

Sir Rush
Caldari
Sirrush Holdings And Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.10 14:17:00 - [112]
 

Edited by: Sir Rush on 10/04/2011 14:17:53
Yeeeessss.

CCP, spend a few expansion cycles iterating (PROPERLY ITERATING) and fixing your existing content, rather than pumping out big, useless, bug-ridden features.

fire elf
Solar Storm

Posted - 2011.04.10 14:18:00 - [113]
 

I agree on what is being said here

Marley Browning
Posted - 2011.04.10 14:19:00 - [114]
 

YESSSS! Yelling at ccp for their inconsistent product is the new botting/rmt/projectiles/mission-nerf! Finally were gonna see some progresss!

Di Mulle
Posted - 2011.04.10 14:23:00 - [115]
 


d4shing
Posted - 2011.04.10 14:24:00 - [116]
 

Two months left on my last subscription crew, checking in.

One thing I'd like to point out is that the problem with the forums is not that not enough time has been spent on them. They've been in progress since, what, October? We were told they'd come out in February? They beta'd around then? Twice? And I believe this is a team of 10 people.

That many dev hours is plenty of time.

The problem is that CCP is terrible at project management. They're terrible at running a business.

I think the best thing that can happen to this game is that CCP runs out of money and its investors/creditors force a sale to EA, who ****cans everyone, moves development away from an icy rock in the middle of nowhere to a place where actual talented programmers live voluntarily, and successfully employs even the most rudimentary planning and ROI methodologies.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.04.10 14:39:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: d4shing
I think the best thing that can happen to this game is that CCP runs out of money and its investors/creditors force a sale to EA

Neutral Ouch, harsh...

FishermansFriend
Posted - 2011.04.10 14:41:00 - [118]
 

Edited by: FishermansFriend on 10/04/2011 14:41:22
Originally by: d4shing
Two months left on my last subscription crew, checking in.

One thing I'd like to point out is that the problem with the forums is not that not enough time has been spent on them. They've been in progress since, what, October? We were told they'd come out in February? They beta'd around then? Twice? And I believe this is a team of 10 people.

That many dev hours is plenty of time.

The problem is that CCP is terrible at project management. They're terrible at running a business.

I think the best thing that can happen to this game is that CCP runs out of money and its investors/creditors force a sale to EA, who ****cans everyone, moves development away from an icy rock in the middle of nowhere to a place where actual talented programmers live voluntarily, and successfully employs even the most rudimentary planning and ROI methodologies.


Or, CCP smartens up and keep's the old feel of a small company putting out a great product while still making a massive, great MMO. Perhaps their "Eve Future" gets delayed by a couple years but at least at that time they will have a happy player base willing to tell their friends about what will be the greatest MMO ever. I would love to see some dev's or something post in threads like this to show CCP is taking a stance on the issue. I dont think they do this enough and it feels like they don't want to acknowledge their recent incompetence as an issue even if thats not what they mean to do.

Bisclavret Lais
Posted - 2011.04.10 14:45:00 - [119]
 

+1

northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
Terran United Federation
Posted - 2011.04.10 14:46:00 - [120]
 



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