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Rikki Sals
Caldari
Posted - 2011.04.10 03:29:00 - [61]
 

The jumpclone service is/was a wonderful endeavor on your part. Thanks very much for creating it. Be well! Cool

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.04.10 03:37:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Joe Appleby

Scary how few seem to have any idea who Estel Arador is.



As much as I appreciate the good he has done for the community at large, why the hell should anyone have to "know who he is"? Forum celebrities aren't exactly household names.

Habaticus
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.10 03:52:00 - [63]
 

Your clone service and Clone Guide were great and appreciated Estel, but this is silly. Maybe a real life obligation and you wanted to play drama queen here. If this hiccup is that devastating, maybe it's better you hung it up. There are only a few areas on these forums that you can read some good discussion the rest are just peppered with bad mannered players trying to gain attention. I see the same people day after day, week after week, month after month spouting doom and gloom, insults, and trash talk. I'm really concerned for your health. You need to quit the game if it irritates you this much. So please quit. Good luck in your next game and life :)

Yuki Kulotsuki
Posted - 2011.04.10 03:56:00 - [64]
 

I'll miss your old avatar.

Better Than You
Posted - 2011.04.10 03:58:00 - [65]
 

Eve uni? LOL! That is so old. The real people that help players is us in the NC. We are the ones helping players break into null sec and learn the game. We are the ones with the sov. Your just some high sec tax farming corp that drains players of their ISK before they can get real help.

You will be quickly forgotten.

Neoexecutor
Minmatar
Skynet Technologies
Posted - 2011.04.10 04:23:00 - [66]
 

Will miss your posts. Take care in future undertakings or be back soon :)

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2011.04.10 04:30:00 - [67]
 

Thank you for the repayment of your private loan with me. You will be missed and I hope that you will reconsider.

Best of luck in whatever you decide to do.


Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.04.10 04:31:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Originally by: Mortania


2) When someone who is a top 50 poster quits because they've lost faith in the developer, that's news.


No, it's not, because there is a 1 to 1 correlation between the type of person who becomes a "top 50 poster" and drama queens.
imma lizzarddrama queen!

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.04.10 04:37:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Originally by: Mortania


2) When someone who is a top 50 poster quits because they've lost faith in the developer, that's news.


No, it's not, because there is a 1 to 1 correlation between the type of person who becomes a "top 50 poster" and drama queens.
imma lizzarddrama queen!


Damn man, I was really concerned you'd passed me up. Razz

-Liang

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2011.04.10 04:42:00 - [70]
 

:( sad to see you go. CCP does seem to be a bit rough around the edges for sure, lately my activity has been down and have been thinking about closing accounts but I like the core of eve and have some faith left

Originally by: Mortania
To follow up, I can think of 3 reasons why a top 50 poster should write a goodbye letter.

1) They're a top 50 poster. The forums are a major form of the game they play. Just as you'd say goodbye to your corpmates and likely in local if you were an all in game player, saying good bye on the forums here for someone with 7500 posts seems entirely normal and expected.

2) When someone who is a top 50 poster quits because they've lost faith in the developer, that's news. That means someone that gave a damn, doesn't anymore. If CCP gives the least little ****, then letting them know that they're going in the wrong direction is important.

3) Because it's his damn life and he can do as he damned well pleases. Posting in the thread to let him know he should post is even more useless (along the same lines of logic) as his post was in the first place.


so you are saying my opinion is worth something!?

\o/ yay! \o/

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2011.04.10 04:45:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Originally by: Mortania


2) When someone who is a top 50 poster quits because they've lost faith in the developer, that's news.


No, it's not, because there is a 1 to 1 correlation between the type of person who becomes a "top 50 poster" and drama queens.
imma lizzarddrama queen!


Damn man, I was really concerned you'd passed me up. Razz

-Liang


damn you top 10 folk Evil or Very Mad

and anyways I try to stay out of the drama as much as I can, most of it just isn't worth it

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.04.10 04:49:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
damn you top 10 folk Evil or Very Mad
I agree — those top 10 people are a bunch of gits that should be pruned from the database… Razz

Joe Appleby
Counterintelligence Research Institute
Posted - 2011.04.10 04:51:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Better Than You
Eve uni? LOL! That is so old. The real people that help players is us in the NC. We are the ones helping players break into null sec and learn the game. We are the ones with the sov. Your just some high sec tax farming corp that drains players of their ISK before they can get real help.

You will be quickly forgotten.


God you fail. Not EVE Uni, but Estel Arador's Jump Clone Service, aka the dude that allowed every none carebear a jumpclone.

I will ignore the rest of your troll.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.04.10 04:53:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton

damn you top 10 folk Evil or Very Mad

and anyways I try to stay out of the drama as much as I can, most of it just isn't worth it



Meh. Drama. It actually takes a pretty significant thing to lure me into any arguments these days.

-Liang

Romally Isengaard
Posted - 2011.04.10 05:14:00 - [75]
 

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out! Out with the old and in with the new.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.04.10 05:29:00 - [76]
 

I'm sorry to see you go Estel. I don't know you personally, but there's no denying that you were well known in the community.


Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2011.04.10 05:34:00 - [77]
 

Sad to see you go. You were one of the better people in the community and it's always a sad day to see the good people go and get even more useless **** slingers and internet tough guys as a replacement. I hope you'll have fun with whatever you decide to do from now on.

o7

Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.04.10 05:34:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: Sarmatiko on 10/04/2011 05:37:12
Originally by: Estel Arador
I participated in the first round of testing for the new forums, as did many others. In this first round, the forums were still very rough, but that didn't deter the testers. Many good suggestions were posted during this first test, and some critical issues were identified. I collected all these issues and suggestions in a thread for the convenience of the testers and CCP. When the second round of testing came around, I was surprised that there was only a very short list of changes. The forums had improved a bit (given the state they were in during the first round, there was a lot of room for improvement...) and the critical issues had been fixed, but pretty much all of the suggestions and other feedback had been ignored.


Yes I feel the same way. After seeing "second test of new forums" my thought was "Hey, WTF? Are they taking us for idiots? This is not even near to complete and ready forums!". Why test something if nobody is listening?
If CCP seriously needed feedback then at least they should provided some replies from webdevs: "This feature is in development, this in not good, maybe later and so on (from list of 100+ items)". But all we got as result of testing rounds was silence and ignorant installation of new crap.
Im not a webdev, but even to my noobish view the bugs and holes that slipped into "new forums" was inexcusably unprofessional.
Waiting new "boot.ini 2" video on CCP channel ugh

operationsresearch
Posted - 2011.04.10 05:35:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Estel Arador leaving EVE...

I can't believe that after a full day of "no forums" EVE gate linked me back here. Something has changed at CCP and what was once one of the greatest MMO's in the history of the internet is slowly being run into the ground.


For many of us, no matter how deluded with optimism we allow ourselves to become, we have frequently recognized persistent issues which are fundamentally detrimental to the operation of CCP as an entertainment service provider -- the very issues which have brought EVE to its current state, and have the potential to even further degrade EVE as an entertainment service. Due to the severity of these issues, most frustrated players will not be able to justify the time or effort required to attempt to significantly address the issues through communication with CCP, but simply move on to another entertainment service or activity in life.

I have been contemplating giving a thorough analysis of these issues in a comprehensive (but concise) post, and I would like to eventually elaborate on this further, but let's look at a few critical flaws fundamentally preventing optimal operation of CCP as a entertainment service provider:

"EVE is real"; this philosophy is currently being pushed (as novel) and I cringe every time I hear or read it. EVE is supposed to be an entertainment service provided to its customers. EVE is not real. EVE, is not real. (This does not mean I would not be elated if it were the most bad ass space sci-fi game of human history, and I will always hope for and look forward to EVE's excellence.) This confusion of CCP, hence, EVE's purpose (as clearly seen through a clear lack of a precise and developed philosophy) results in the customers receiving experiences far below what could otherwise be achieved with the monetary resources available to CCP. e.g. the lack of currently accessible content per unit of time, and specifically negation of additional content by expanding the rate of time in which current content is delivered, seems to be justified in that "EVE is real". Life has periods of unpleasant experiences usually necessary to even the most fulfilling of lives; life is real; EVE is real; the EVE grind and boredom is then justified as necessary and inevitable experiences -- an improper justification for incompetent or negligent development. (These experiences should typically vary within ranges of entertaining by pushing the upper boundary of being entertained, not by lowering the lower boundary towards experiences that can literally induce sleep.)

"EVE as a space simulator"; I continue to see this being development team members' views. This should moderately annoy to completely aggravate anyone versed in physical science beyond an elementary level (why this is mentioned, I will expand upon below). EVE, just as with every other entertainment service utilizing a personal computing platform, is supposed to suspend disbelief for a sufficient period of time and to a sufficient degree to enable the entertainment and engagement/immersion of the player to heighten their experience of enjoyment. With that said, let us examine a document which should be generally understood by developers to qualify this application as being developed as a "simulation": In 1687 a document was punished by the man Sir Isaac Newton under the name Principia Mathematica. Most EVE game mechanics fail to attempt to approximate any of the three laws established through this work. This work is over three hundred years old, and while the intelligence of society as a median may not have reached this level of physical comprehension yet, it should be attainable by a 'space simulation's' game developers. What's more, a space simulator is probably not nearly as interesting (to most) as a stylized space-environment intended to evoke awe and amazement -- which is exactly what EVE is.

operationsresearch
Posted - 2011.04.10 05:38:00 - [80]
 

Last to cover, and why I sought to take a more thoughtful approach to this post, is the redirect of http://www.ccpgames.com/genius to .com/en/jobs. This may also be equated with CCP’s adherence to the philosophy of “excellence”. The distinction between “the nerds who are to nerds, to what nerds are to normal people”, and being misunderstood because of extremely exceptional mental capability is usually unmistakably clear and is an improper justification being used, generally by CCP, to avoid recognition of (correctable) faults; notwithstanding the ridiculous use of the misconception of intellectually advanced people somehow inherently possessing social deficiencies. If people disagree with you, it’s not necessarily because you’re too ‘genius’ for them. Without going into the various arguments within the “genius” community of quantification of measureable intelligence, I argue that under no measure are the decisions made regularly by CCP as a whole indicative of exceptional intelligence. e.g. conflicts of interest; macro/bot ban EULA/policy; design philosophy and execution; management philosophy; development execution… TEH FEWK.

EVE has a vast potential with some of the game direction... It is because of this observable potential that the more thoughtful players continue to “whine” and speak up about their discontent with these issues, and most inevitably move on to other things. No you cannot have my things.

EVE will survive until the day a company with the competency and philosophy of a company such as VALVE clones it. When this occurs, either EVE will change for the better forever, or will no longer be financially sustainable. or something

Fly safe!

Moto Akimoto
Posted - 2011.04.10 05:38:00 - [81]
 

Hello Estel,

Thanks for answering my dumb questions and whatnots on MD. Your decision is unfortunate but understandable and I was hoping to see you across the chessboard.

Cheers and good luck mate!

Atra Hasis
Posted - 2011.04.10 05:43:00 - [82]
 

bye bye

Drab Cane
Carbenadium Industries
Posted - 2011.04.10 05:54:00 - [83]
 

Sad to hear you're leaving, I hope you don't go far. :)


Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2011.04.10 06:49:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton

damn you top 10 folk Evil or Very Mad

and anyways I try to stay out of the drama as much as I can, most of it just isn't worth it



Meh. Drama. It actually takes a pretty significant thing to lure me into any arguments these days.

-Liang


I don't quite qualify an argument as drama however it can of course lead to drama (and quite often does)

Ren Nekk
Dead Eye Dogs
Posted - 2011.04.10 06:56:00 - [85]
 

Wow, lots of sad little fish jumping on (what they would like to think is the safe, decomposing body of) a big fish. I have always appreciated your posts Estel. I don't post a lot but I have read a lot for years and, if you are truly gone for good, you will be missed. o7

Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2011.04.10 06:57:00 - [86]
 

Fly safe Estel o7

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.04.10 08:07:00 - [87]
 

Get out

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.04.10 08:09:00 - [88]
 

See you on the flip side, and good luck in your future endeavours o/

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2011.04.10 08:18:00 - [89]
 

Wow...

Besst of luck with whatever you are up to next Estel, be safe and we will see you when you return!

/c

Rumple Fourskin
Posted - 2011.04.10 08:45:00 - [90]
 

fast
cheap
good

pick 2


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