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Clementina
The Scope
Posted - 2011.04.11 15:08:00 - [211]
 

The Old forums are better.
* They are easier to read.
* They load faster.
* Their quotes take up less space.
* They look just as good as the new forums on a cellphone.
* They have no avatar fade in to distract a person from reading posts when they scroll down.
* They direct you to the first post in a thread when you click the title of a thread every time.
* Clicking their page numbers directs you to the correct page.
* Their process of submitting a post is less error prone.
Also
* It is not possible to impersonate another person on these forums.
* It is not possible to run random CSS or JavaScript on these forums.

Dhaul
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2011.04.11 15:16:00 - [212]
 

New forum, of course.

Did some of you somehow forget how absolutely terrible this forum software from 1995 or something is?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.04.11 15:26:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: Dhaul
Did some of you somehow forget how absolutely terrible this forum software from 1995 or something is?
No. We were just given a horrible reminder of how, even though these ones might be terrible, it is actually possible for worse things to existů

Terrible > terribly terrible.

Clementina
The Scope
Posted - 2011.04.11 15:53:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: Dhaul

Did some of you somehow forget how absolutely terrible this forum software from 1995 or something is?


I don't care how new or how old forums are, or when they were written really.
I like to read books that were written before 1995 also.

Sieges
Posted - 2011.04.11 16:05:00 - [215]
 

I prefer these old forums.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.04.11 16:09:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Ghengis Tia
Originally by: Dante Marcellus
Edited by: Dante Marcellus on 11/04/2011 11:11:07
New.
-better looks
-evegate integration
-player/forum interaction

Get rid of the security flaws and bring them back!

The old forums feel like they've been crapped out of the '90s.

You want to know the real reason the forum, whiny minority is saying "old"?

Change. The greatest enemy of nostalgic and bullheaded people.



Utter dung. All you folks who can read faster than 100 WPM can scan the old forums quickly to assess interesting content.

The new forums make that impossible. If there is a unit of measure that contrasts the old from the new, it is the amount of time it takes to peruse quickly and see if anything is interesting. I'm almost incredulous that this wasn't the overriding factor in the new redesign, as I won't spend time tediously navigating any forum format that takes more time than the original.

Keep your stinkin' eye candy, Mr. Marcellus, I haven't got time for fluff.


Not to mention EVE-Gate is a major disadvantage too, with the new forums. Not only was EVE-Gate fail (too) on release, with sensitive character information slipping out by default, it was also quite limited and buggy.

That resembles of something else? Security risk, buggy, and half-done?

Burnharder
Posted - 2011.04.11 16:17:00 - [217]
 

As Clementina said:

Quote:
"The Old forums are better.
* They are easier to read.
* They load faster.
* Their quotes take up less space.
* They look just as good as the new forums on a cellphone.
* They have no avatar fade in to distract a person from reading posts when they scroll down.
* They direct you to the first post in a thread when you click the title of a thread every time.
* Clicking their page numbers directs you to the correct page.
* Their process of submitting a post is less error prone.
Also
* It is not possible to impersonate another person on these forums.
* It is not possible to run random CSS or JavaScript on these forums."


Even though his/her name sounds like a sexually transmitted disease, I approve of this message and would like to add:

Quote:
"you can see more topics on the main page".


Overall, the new forums were an utter fail.

Lokduin
Haven Enterprises Incorporated
Posted - 2011.04.11 16:28:00 - [218]
 

Edited by: Lokduin on 11/04/2011 16:31:17
Originally by: Calathea Sata
Originally by: Lokduin
Edited by: Lokduin on 11/04/2011 14:20:24
Honestly, I liked the new forums. They actually gave me less eye strain, and being a designer, I liked that they integrated with the look of EVE Gate.

Things need to be updated once in a while. Change can sometimes be good folks. Don't be afraid of the whitespace...


No mean to offence. Designer here too although I don't think claiming to be a designer helps anything at all. Old forum gives less eye strain (to not just you but everyone) period. I'm going to disagree your statements just for the sake of doing it. Things do not need to be updated unnecessary. Change can sometimes be bad as well. Don't be aftaid of the old... I'm sure you know what I mean being a designer yourself. While I appreciate the effort that went into the new forums... while it does look fancier and "fresh" but it doesn't mean "better".


No offence taken. I was just providing the designer reference to provide context to the viewpoint, and I happen to be one that takes constructive criticism well.

As for your point. I absolutely agree. Sometimes a fresh look isn't the way to go. And I can also understand why so many people on the forums overwhelmingly prefer the old design. If it ain't broke (much), then don't fix it. I am simply personally liking the design of the new forums better because I find it easier on my eyes. I would probably be fine with the old forums if the font size was a couple points bigger, and changed to a light grey instead of white. I suppose I could probably make these changes with greasemonkey at home, but it's a little harder to do when I'm reading the forums at lunch from work. So given the two choices presented, I prefer the new format.

Just a thought. Functionality aside, is it possible to provide the option to "skin" the forums in the old or the new style?

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.04.11 16:39:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Lokduin
Just a thought. Functionality aside, is it possible to provide the option to "skin" the forums in the old or the new style?


And change font sizes, width etc. That would make everyone happy and most of the "new or old" debate die.

The truth is we have functioning forums, whatever people think about the look or not. The major reason to make these new must be to integrate it with EVE-Gate, which happens to be a feature very few use (I don't know a single player who actually use it). Just like when CCP removed all stickies to promote their EVE-Wiki.

There was no need to rush it either, unless these new forums are part of a grander goal. *tinfoil hats*. Yup, playing devils advocate here, but maybe CCP should just stop forcing Dust and WoD-features on EVE just because CCP want to release those other games asap.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.04.11 16:42:00 - [220]
 

new forums give me less eye strain

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.04.11 16:45:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: Lokduin
Edited by: Lokduin on 11/04/2011 16:31:17

Just a thought. Functionality aside, is it possible to provide the option to "skin" the forums in the old or the new style?
I guess skinning the forums is not a difficult task (just tweak some html codes) but getting a good design is.

Lokduin
Haven Enterprises Incorporated
Posted - 2011.04.11 16:48:00 - [222]
 

Can we at least agree the search on the new forums was a little better?

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.04.11 16:49:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Lokduin
Can we at least agree the search on the new forums was a little better?
Arguably, if you take eve-search into account... Well okay at least CCP made us a search engine.

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.04.11 17:01:00 - [224]
 

Old, by far.

Main complaints about the new:
- Too narrow and no option to change that.
- Quotes were simply ridiculous
- Like system was imbecilic and open to abuse
- The security was non existent
- Portraits were too big
- Font was less readable than the current font.
- Slow
- The smilies didn't work properly
- The security vulnerability has cost CCP all the reputation it had recently built up with team BFF and team Gridlock, and it means even more wasted time.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.11 17:05:00 - [225]
 

Edited by: stoicfaux on 11/04/2011 17:05:21

Old forums.

The old forums *much* are easier to read. The new forums didn't offer any features or improvements that made the new forums a must have upgrade.


Binarii
Posted - 2011.04.11 17:09:00 - [226]
 

New ones, if you remove local in nullsec.

Tosser Galore
Posted - 2011.04.11 17:16:00 - [227]
 

BOTH

Quetazoid
Posted - 2011.04.11 17:17:00 - [228]
 

Sooo glad the old forums are back :)

Linda Shadowborn
Gallente
Dark Steel Industries
Posted - 2011.04.11 17:34:00 - [229]
 

Old by far. these i can read without wanting to poke my eyes out with a soon due to the horrible pain i would get after a few topics.

Florence Valentine
Posted - 2011.04.11 17:45:00 - [230]
 

Old
Old
Old
Old
Old.... like times infinity to the power of infinity squared, and then cubed.

Or put another way, I like the old Forums best times the number of people whining about AFK cloakers.

Go cloakers!!

NightmareX
Nomads
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.04.11 18:07:00 - [231]
 

Edited by: NightmareX on 11/04/2011 18:12:48
Originally by: BoBoZoBo
Old Forums by far - Sorry guys New format makes my eyes bleed.

Wow, you get a new forum with different colors and new theme and you expect the eyes to not see it as different than this forum?

Maybe you guys should just get used to it instead of going bawwwww, it's hurting my eyes after 5 seconds.

I had absolutely no problems to go from the old forum to the new forum. And i'm even using a 32-inch Samsung LED-TV as my computer screen.

For me the texts isn't any sharper or lighter on the new forum.

By your defenition, you can't read other forums because they would have white background on the whole topic with black text for example, since the white background would burn you're eyes.

Katsumoto
Caldari
Quam Singulari
Session Changes
Posted - 2011.04.11 18:31:00 - [232]
 

old

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.04.11 18:52:00 - [233]
 

Originally by: Dhaul
New forum, of course.

Did some of you somehow forget how absolutely terrible this forum software from 1995 or something is?


Yeah, I find it hilarious how so many people griped and complained about these early 2000-era forums and now people whine about the new forums. It goes to show that the vocal minority of EVE players are never, ever happy. Someone will whine about every single change to matter how good or tiny.

Clementina
The Scope
Posted - 2011.04.11 19:09:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: Lokduin
Can we at least agree the search on the new forums was a little better?

Not sure I can agree here, although this might be nit-picking. When you use eve-search to search for a thread, the thread contains the corporations and alliances that people were in when they posted on the thread, not the corporations they are in currently. That is useful information.

phintais
Posted - 2011.04.11 19:55:00 - [235]
 


Keep the old forums please.

New forums are terrible.


Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Posted - 2011.04.11 20:00:00 - [236]
 

Old

Night Epoch
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.04.11 20:04:00 - [237]
 

The new forums (minus the security issues), of COURSE.

I just love seeing all these idiots whine about hating the new forums, when not two months ago these same people were whining about the old forums. The new one (again, minus the security issues) is an OBVIOUS (major) improvement.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.04.11 20:10:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: Night Epoch
The new forums (minus the security issues), of COURSE.

I just love seeing all these idiots whine about hating the new forums, when not two months ago these same people were whining about the old forums. The new one (again, minus the security issues) is an OBVIOUS (major) improvement.
of course that the old forums need improvement, there is no denying that.


the new forums had too many problems tho. Granted the problems could be solved on the fly, if it wasn't the security holes they had...

Angst IronShard
Minmatar
Sense of Serendipity
Echoes of Nowhere
Posted - 2011.04.11 20:22:00 - [239]
 

New one.
and I don't care if there's no signature option !


Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.04.11 20:26:00 - [240]
 

I really don't have any issues with the old forums (although apparently many, many people did), however I do find the new forums much more pleasing and restful to the eye. I LIKE the larger character portraits (although an option to reduce their size or omit them would be appreciated by many I am sure), and I find the layout to be cleaner and much easier to read.

There are some draw backs to be sure, chief among them the smaller number of topics readily visible. Personally I can accept that gladly in exchange for a more relaxed forum whoring experience.

I'm not that concerned about the new forums going down. I'm reasonably sure our outraged botting community put extra special effort into bringing it (among others) down. This isn't the first time EVE related forums have taken the brunt of their wrath and had to scramble to close any vulnerabilities.

I'm more than willing to wait and see what happens when CCP tightens things a bit.


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