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gintaru
Mining and Industrial Services
The Irukandji
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:34:00 - [211]
 

Originally by: Pain**** McAngerfist
I came to this game from WoW about a week or so ago and have been enjoying the hell out of it. If you think these issues are ANYTHING compared to what goes wrong on Blizzard's watch you are out of your minds. Seriously. Go play wow for a year or two and you'll learn what bad service really looks like.


Well i moved from wow after 4 years of it... Blizzard does patching more efficiently - Great test environment which all bugs are squashed before released... Its nowhere near as much of a hassle as eve, so i have to disagree with you. However You also pay for every bloody expansion... Which is not the same with Eve.

HaKyung
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:35:00 - [212]
 

Originally by: Clamis
Yet again Europe gets it in the neck for extra downtimes. It would be a good idea to do them over a time when The US come online to play and let them get the hit for a change. Not happy. 6 accounts may be saying good bye at this rate.Rolling Eyes

If you're working 11am is actually a good time to do it. Typically I'd be in work now but have a few days off, for this reason alone the downtime is annoying me but it's not like I don't have other things to do. Chill. it'll be back up and running soon enough

Nurrec
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:35:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: Saithe
Originally by: Clamis
Yet again Europe gets it in the neck for extra downtimes. It would be a good idea to do them over a time when The US come online to play and let them get the hit for a change. Not happy. 6 accounts may be saying good bye at this rate.Rolling Eyes


Hi there, you must be new here. Apparently you missed the RMR Patch Releases when they released a patch during each players timezone. 11am GMT happens to be the best time for a few reasons:

-> GMT Lunch Time
-> US Sleeping/Just waking up.
-> AU Going to bed.
-> Noone cares about EU.


True that, no1 cares about EU. +10

72inches
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:37:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: B111ELF111
...and again we are sitting in front of our computers waiting to use a product we pay for...
CCP programmers should implement some offline stuff like pve in one single system in the client for the upcoming downtimes YARRRR!!




^this.

If EVE could be extended to include an offline mode while updates/servers are sorting themselves out...you would have a heck of alot less upset mineral tossers and redX pilots.

TBH, not sure if there is a way any type of pilot couldn't be somehow satisfied [read patronized] in a quasi-EVE universe for offline periods. And I would put a priority on the phasing in of this component in a higher position than say the character editor but what do I know.

Fantastic game overall, as we all know. Talk about extending the persistent nature of the EVE universe tho with an offline mod...

Anyway I'm sure it's been considered, I'm quite sure it'd be a massive achievement to make it happen- but if it was easy there'd be a lot of scifi EVE games Cool


Clamis
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:38:00 - [215]
 

HaKyung :- Not everyone works. I did until 3 years ago when my life changed by a motor bike accident, so you can not use that as a excuse. Lol but its all good, nice to see some americans biting at the bit :)

HaKyung
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:39:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Clamis
HaKyung :- Not everyone works. I did until 3 years ago when my life changed by a motor bike accident, so you can not use that as a excuse. Lol but its all good, nice to see some americans biting at the bit :)

Hence my use of the word if Wink Sorry to hear about your accident though. And LOL at those who don't care about Europe. The feelings mutual Razz

Paindick McAngerfist
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:44:00 - [217]
 

Originally by: gintaru
Originally by: Pain**** McAngerfist
I came to this game from WoW about a week or so ago and have been enjoying the hell out of it. If you think these issues are ANYTHING compared to what goes wrong on Blizzard's watch you are out of your minds. Seriously. Go play wow for a year or two and you'll learn what bad service really looks like.


Well i moved from wow after 4 years of it... Blizzard does patching more efficiently - Great test environment which all bugs are squashed before released... Its nowhere near as much of a hassle as eve, so i have to disagree with you. However You also pay for every bloody expansion... Which is not the same with Eve.


Surely you jest.

ZaBob
Twilight Labs
Unsung Voices
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:44:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Holy One
Edited by: Holy One on 06/04/2011 20:26:14
Edited by: Holy One on 06/04/2011 20:25:27
Cant import 1000000 units of ionic solutions in to an empty launchpad (10, 000 m3 capacity or 1m ionic solutions) like usual. says there isnt enough space.

I notice someone else is having container issues.

you broke some mathskis?

n/m. I tried it 6 times and refused then left it 5 mins and tried again and it went through.

weird.

w/e


This is not a new problem -- it's been there a long time. Sometimes it just refuses to fit that last item into that spaceport.

It's annoying, especially when you're sitting uncloaked and exposed in hostile territory, and what should be a trivial transfer becomes this process of retry or reconfigure.

Between transfers between launchpads and transfers from Customs to Launchpad, in one case it figures out to leave one behind, and one it just fails.

Aku Soma
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:48:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Captain Charismatic
Edited by: Captain Charismatic on 06/04/2011 20:32:07
Originally by: Ban Doga


If your disk is full and it's the only one you have and you want to install something new you need to make room first.
That's really not rocket sience...


I'm not saying it is. That isn't my point. Please don't interpret me wrong.
My point is that a small error such as this, that would be handled on other installers as "O snap, you have no space, make room, rolling back changes", here, results in a half ass patch, where the client version logs are updated, but the material is not.

Then, when you try to launch, you obviously get a client crash. You can't use the ~770MB update file because the file believes your client is updated due to those version logs. It then forces you to use the repair tool, which downloads the missing data THAT YOU ALREADY DOWNLOADED IN THE PATCH, again, but this time unpacked, totaling over a gig.

That is ******ed. There is so much wrong and just unobserved with the way the patching utilities handle errors that it's just... surprising.

That said, I'm gonna go play my EVE now. :D


I see both points, and can attest that the installer does have some issues, but rollback capabilities may not be present because of the size of the game.
To do rollbacks it must first backup the current data, which assumes you have space to do so. It could ask you if you do and proceed if ok - that should handle scenarios where one doesn't have the space, and those that do.

There may be others in this boat, but I have over 2T of space on my games drive, and the installer always fails with insufficient space. This is not on my C drive which also has several gigs of space and can easily handle the space requirements of the update. So what has insufficient space? Why fail to install if the space check fails instead of asking the user should it continue, and proceeding if ok?

Well, the repair tool is all I have to fall back on in these instances, and it will then proceed to download several gigs of data often re-downloading what has already been, just to update the game. Multiply this by the number of clients you run and that = the bother of the process.Confused
In the repair case, EvE currently sits at 7.81GB in size, to enable rollback it must eiter blanket backup everything, or if a manifest is available, just the files that are to change or be deleted; it can be a massive job and a bit longer process.
So it's six on one hand, a half dozen in the other:
  • Do the backup process and the extra work always.

Or
  • Do the extra on exception and hope that the installer works as is.

Option B, which is the current scenario, is what CCP seems to have opted for. Is it a design flaw? Not really. Can it be better? Sure.

Taking a absolutest stance that CCP is deliberately not doing right by you, in the way of design or process is a bit much; however, I understand your points.Smile

In my case, I have more than enough space, it seems too much space. Some added intelligence to the installer to better handle the storage arrangements for the game may be in order, and is not asking too much. Today we have single drive units at 3TB in capacity, SSD drives as C, etc., etc. The dynamic that C: (windows users) is the primary storage volume is now the exception, not the norm, especially true for the gaming community. It has been replaced long ago with a paradigm of fast, high capacity drives, raid arrays, SSDs, and multi-volume layouts. Installer apps must consider this to be ultimately effective, and it is a reasonable expectation that they do.

I reckon if folks presented CCP with the issues and at least a reasonable solution (just to help CCP out you see) vs coming at them angry and without a solution, (and you know who you are Wink ), then the odds of it getting "fixed" are a bit higher.

Sometimes the squeaky wheel doesn't get the oil, it gets replaced, or ignored completely.YARRRR!!

mercury V
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:48:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: Rasz Lin
there are 3 issues threads made by 2 GMs, and you still failed to link to any of them, n1 :D



I think the forums are angry at me....

were not mad at you we want to hang the ccp joker that did 2 extended downtime 2 days in a row... i didnt subscribe to a game that i cant play when i want 2 this is day 2 of extended down time during peak hours and i cant play $^%&%*%*%$ $^$&#%*%$$% $%$^ *****^#%^&& you ccp i will not be renewing my subscription as ccp owes me play time i didnt get ..bunch of ice hole thieves

Nurrec
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:51:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: mercury V
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: Rasz Lin
there are 3 issues threads made by 2 GMs, and you still failed to link to any of them, n1 :D



I think the forums are angry at me....

were not mad at you we want to hang the ccp joker that did 2 extended downtime 2 days in a row... i didnt subscribe to a game that i cant play when i want 2 this is day 2 of extended down time during peak hours and i cant play $^%&%*%*%$ $^$&#%*%$$% $%$^ *****^#%^&& you ccp i will not be renewing my subscription as ccp owes me play time i didnt get ..bunch of ice hole thieves


I bet you won't really be dropping your subscription. And if you do, no1 is going to miss you. o7

gintaru
Mining and Industrial Services
The Irukandji
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:52:00 - [222]
 

Originally by: Nurrec
Originally by: mercury V
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: Rasz Lin
there are 3 issues threads made by 2 GMs, and you still failed to link to any of them, n1 :D



I think the forums are angry at me....

were not mad at you we want to hang the ccp joker that did 2 extended downtime 2 days in a row... i didnt subscribe to a game that i cant play when i want 2 this is day 2 of extended down time during peak hours and i cant play $^%&%*%*%$ $^$&#%*%$$% $%$^ *****^#%^&& you ccp i will not be renewing my subscription as ccp owes me play time i didnt get ..bunch of ice hole thieves


I bet you won't really be dropping your subscription. And if you do, no1 is going to miss you. o7


This type of discussion always happens at every patch, and if every1 left when they said they would.... no-one would be playing...

Carli Zandrya
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:52:00 - [223]
 

Is there going to be a FIX for the ML cycle problem in this patch or sometime way in the future?

GJ on the quick fixes so far.

mercury V
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:53:00 - [224]
 

Originally by: Nurrec
Originally by: mercury V
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: Rasz Lin
there are 3 issues threads made by 2 GMs, and you still failed to link to any of them, n1 :D



I think the forums are angry at me....

were not mad at you we want to hang the ccp joker that did 2 extended downtime 2 days in a row... i didnt subscribe to a game that i cant play when i want 2 this is day 2 of extended down time during peak hours and i cant play $^%&%*%*%$ $^$&#%*%$$% $%$^ *****^#%^&& you ccp i will not be renewing my subscription as ccp owes me play time i didnt get ..bunch of ice hole thieves


I bet you won't really be dropping your subscription. And if you do, no1 is going to miss you. o7

i definately wont miss a non shower taking geek like you

Luciffer 13
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:54:00 - [225]
 

just get it online in next 7 min or my overseer wreck will despawn.. Neutral

gintaru
Mining and Industrial Services
The Irukandji
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:54:00 - [226]
 

Originally by: Carli Zandrya
Is there going to be a FIX for the ML cycle problem in this patch or sometime way in the future?

GJ on the quick fixes so far.


:O A POSITIVE COMMENT.... THOU SHALL BE BANNED FOR THIS!

Captain run
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:54:00 - [227]
 

Stop giving extended maintenances on my birthday :(

Saithe
Caldari
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:56:00 - [228]
 

Originally by: gintaru
Originally by: Various Scrublords
ZOMG IM QUITTING ITS PATCH DAY ZOMGZOMG QQQ


This type of discussion always happens at every patch, and if every1 left when they said they would.... no-one would be playing...


I'd still be playing because I love patches. They let me get more than 1 hour of sleep day.

gintaru
Mining and Industrial Services
The Irukandji
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:57:00 - [229]
 

Originally by: Saithe
Originally by: gintaru
Originally by: Various Scrublords
ZOMG IM QUITTING ITS PATCH DAY ZOMGZOMG QQQ


This type of discussion always happens at every patch, and if every1 left when they said they would.... no-one would be playing...


I'd still be playing because I love patches. They let me get more than 1 hour of sleep day.

+1

Dossal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:57:00 - [230]
 

Happy Birthday.

Saithe
Caldari
Posted - 2011.04.07 12:59:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: gintaru
+1


I'll take Delve and Queerious, as well as Gaylente and Jove Space.

Which shall you claim in our 2 - 5 person Eve Universe?

flint dragon
Posted - 2011.04.07 13:00:00 - [232]
 

Originally by: Clamis
Yet again Europe gets it in the neck for extra downtimes. It would be a good idea to do them over a time when The US come online to play and let them get the hit for a change. Not happy. 6 accounts may be saying good bye at this rate.Rolling Eyes
am from the usa and we get it in the neck too so stop ur bit hing

captian donotshoot
Posted - 2011.04.07 13:01:00 - [233]
 

Originally by: Saithe
Originally by: gintaru
+1


I'll take Delve and Queerious, as well as Gaylente and Jove Space.

Which shall you claim in our 2 - 5 person Eve Universe?


you can get all the space, just let me fly out all of the caps first

JimmyMarsh
Caldari
Posted - 2011.04.07 13:01:00 - [234]
 

Perhaps not as important as some of the other complaints, but also easier to fix: When transferring isk to another character or to your corp wallet, the window used to auto-focus to the amount field. (you click "give money" and you can start typing the amount and hit enter) Now, however, you have to click the field to type the amount of isk in. Could this be fixed?

gintaru
Mining and Industrial Services
The Irukandji
Posted - 2011.04.07 13:02:00 - [235]
 

Originally by: JimmyMarsh
Perhaps not as important as some of the other complaints, but also easier to fix: When transferring isk to another character or to your corp wallet, the window used to auto-focus to the amount field. (you click "give money" and you can start typing the amount and hit enter) Now, however, you have to click the field to type the amount of isk in. Could this be fixed?


like an auto focus on that field... i agree with this

Dark Venger
Posted - 2011.04.07 13:02:00 - [236]
 

Originally by: Clamis
Yet again Europe gets it in the neck for extra downtimes. It would be a good idea to do them over a time when The US come online to play and let them get the hit for a change. Not happy. 6 accounts may be saying good bye at this rate.Rolling Eyes


Your stuffz, give it to me :)

DV

marek golec
Posted - 2011.04.07 13:02:00 - [237]
 

yea CCP,
It seems to me that this patch will fix a lot of small inconveniences and obstacles making this game easier to all of us...pay attention to small things and we will get what we need :)

Scull Mayhem
Posted - 2011.04.07 13:05:00 - [238]
 

Was kinda interesting trying to play the game with Eve Crashing every 3 min after the download ... after a few hrs it stopped but diddnt want to go do anything dangerous like try and fight a war... but on the bright side the pretty colours in the probe scan window are cool (um theres supposta be colours in there right?) .. now if the missing half of my corp can get the game to run this would be a good thing


Hurrakan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.04.07 13:10:00 - [239]
 

The game is showing the wrong portrait for my character! It's showing the first portrait I saved after using the character creator.

I later re-modelled my avatar and made a new (much cooler) portrait.

At the character selection screen, the correct portrait is shown.

I really hope CCP didn't lose my avatar/portrait.

Narisa Bithon
Caldari
The Motley Crew Reborn
Posted - 2011.04.07 13:10:00 - [240]
 

Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 07/04/2011 13:11:09
Originally by: Hurrakan
The game is showing the wrong portrait for my character! It's showing the first portrait I saved after using the character creator.

I later re-modelled my avatar and made a new (much cooler) portrait.

At the character selection screen, the correct portrait is shown.

I really hope CCP didn't lose my avatar/portrait.


no it typically takes 24hrs for the server's copy of your new portrait to update.

Also clear your cache to have your client side update



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hmm second day in a row eve online has a really long downtime.... any chance of some skill points?


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