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Dana Bomfim
Caldari
Brasfleet Networking Co.
Posted - 2011.04.07 00:31:00 - [91]
 

It is odd that when you buy a car, a washing machine, even a simple battery, all of them comes with a manual, but people usually just read the manual of stuff they have absolutely no idea how it works and no friends or "the brother of the sister of the friend of my neighbour" have one of those. Computers, Softwares, games, and that new shinning addon that makes you email pop from notification area (the place where the clock is in your windows) none read the manual.
Many problems you ask for CCP to fix, and they do in some cases, are caused by external influence by other softwares. Sure, when you dont know about it, you blame CCP and think they can make a "all working" game client, but nobody can, or else Windows wouldnt have to update, nor any other software. That would clarify 70% of the complaining about EVE. From the 30% other things, half of them are due to behavior of player base. As a MMO should, it relies on the player to shape many things, and one of them is supply/demand, and other is the group areas. The null sec is there for players to take, period. The null sec is as crappy or as vicious as players make it be. Most player run corps are run by egocentric immature people who dont know more about leadership than "what to train to give bonuses" and nothing else. Game mechanics isnt there to take you by hand and lead you to build an empire where you cant be attacked, restricted, and otherwise harmed. CCP seems to not, nor should, indulge the complains of people who want to sit there and build up over things forever lasting.
Then, around 5% of complaints are legitimate to pay attention and try hard to fix. The ones really originated by the EVE client programming itself or flawed game mechanics needing fix.
Most people complain like you complain of a knife that doesnt cut when you try to use the oposite side instead of the sharp one. Try to be reasonable in your complaints and maybe you have a better result about them.

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.07 00:39:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: J Kunjeh on 07/04/2011 00:44:39
Wow, I feel for ya CCP...it's hot in here. Not sure why people insist on ranting instead of having a civil dialogue with CCP (and usually those people ***** the loudest about CCP running away when it just gets to be too much).

Anyway, a little feedback CCP.

  • The character creator is fast on my PC, but hellishly slow on my ladies Mac.

  • It may be fast on mine, but it also crashed on me 8 times (actually locked my PC up, had to reboot). I finally gave up because I got tired of starting back at the beginning so many times.

  • It'd be nice to have a "save progress now" button so that when things like this happen, you don't have to start over. Of course, it'd be better to have it fixed. Smile

  • It's nice to have the tats, piercings etc. But I do agree with another poster that it seems like there should be more options (clothes, and tats especially)...but I'm sure those will come with time.

  • I had the module issue too...my laser finishis a complete cycle before stopping after being clicked, meanwhile the laser has stopped firing.


That's all for now, I think.

Thanks for the hard work. Patch times I'm sure are just peachy for you guys and gals. Laughing


Edit: one more...I just noticed that I can't hear the mining laser, no matter how close I zoom to my ship.

Patri Andari
Caldari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
Posted - 2011.04.07 00:40:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Dana Bomfim
It is odd that when you buy a car, a washing machine, even a simple battery, all of them comes with a manual, but people usually just read the manual of stuff they have absolutely no idea how it works and no friends or "the brother of the sister of the friend of my neighbour" have one of those. Computers, Softwares, games, and that new shinning addon that makes you email pop from notification area (the place where the clock is in your windows) none read the manual.
Many problems you ask for CCP to fix, and they do in some cases, are caused by external influence by other softwares. Sure, when you dont know about it, you blame CCP and think they can make a "all working" game client, but nobody can, or else Windows wouldnt have to update, nor any other software. That would clarify 70% of the complaining about EVE. From the 30% other things, half of them are due to behavior of player base. As a MMO should, it relies on the player to shape many things, and one of them is supply/demand, and other is the group areas. The null sec is there for players to take, period. The null sec is as crappy or as vicious as players make it be. Most player run corps are run by egocentric immature people who dont know more about leadership than "what to train to give bonuses" and nothing else. Game mechanics isnt there to take you by hand and lead you to build an empire where you cant be attacked, restricted, and otherwise harmed. CCP seems to not, nor should, indulge the complains of people who want to sit there and build up over things forever lasting.
Then, around 5% of complaints are legitimate to pay attention and try hard to fix. The ones really originated by the EVE client programming itself or flawed game mechanics needing fix.
Most people complain like you complain of a knife that doesnt cut when you try to use the oposite side instead of the sharp one. Try to be reasonable in your complaints and maybe you have a better result about them.


I have heard it said that "no" women play this game.

That is clearly wrong.




Garrmor
Posted - 2011.04.07 00:41:00 - [94]
 

You know developers, you may think the world has a fiber connection to the Internet but they don't not really. OK? I have a connection that lets me download at about 150 K/Bits/Sec.

So WHY DO I HAVE TO DOWNLOAD A 700 M/BYTE **** CLIENT THAT EVERYONE THINKS SUCKS TODAY... ONLY TO HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN TOMORROW?

You guys need to get over yourselves and get your **** together.

JimboDeath
Posted - 2011.04.07 00:41:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Dana Bomfim
Most people complain like you complain of a knife that doesnt cut when you try to use the oposite side instead of the sharp one. Try to be reasonable in your complaints and maybe you have a better result about them.


shut up

•NPC jamming has been updated and streamlined. They should all work with the same functionality and you can fit countermeasures. In other news, jamming NPCs are still annoying

Guess what CCP, you got this wrong as well. If your intent was to allow mods to counter NPC jamming, they do not. A simple Eliminator in a L4 mission must have a ****ing high ass jam strength. Was unable to counter it with over 100 strength to counter...WTF kind of **** are you pulling here?!?!

You're simply wasting you breath lying to us out here. You guys still suck.

Garrmor
Posted - 2011.04.07 00:47:00 - [96]
 

I got it in one EPIC FAIL...

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.07 00:56:00 - [97]
 

Ok, just had another bizarre encounter with the character creator.

After spending about an hour and a half changing things (mostly slight, but the application was so slow on her Mac that it likely took 5 times longer than it should have) my lady had a strange thing happen. She toggled the clothes off, and when she toggled them back on again the clothes weren't at all what was on there before, went back to a default I guess.

Then she toggled off and on again and this time the textures went crazy. They were flashing from one crazy mesh of color to the next...kind of psychedelic, actually. I took some video on my phone if you want to see it.

She went to the portrait screen, same thing (more cool video). Eventually she had to just shut the client off and log back in (she didn't particularly want a psychedelic colored face for her character).

Another came up as I was typing: now that she's in the game, it's stuttering and slowing down and temporarily freezing. It works fine for a bit, then does it again.

Back to the station...

Nadja Dobrovodsky
Posted - 2011.04.07 01:07:00 - [98]
 

when im mining and i stop the miningprocess on one of the lasers. it turns red but it doesnt stop and wontlet me change asteroid.Evil or Very Mad

Tuggboat
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.04.07 01:12:00 - [99]
 

All I get when I boot is a several gigabyte video of a bunch of drunken programmers pointing at me and laughing. I keep looking for a button that lets me slap them with a fish but can't find it.

Eike Stan
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.04.07 01:24:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: J Kunjeh
Edited by: J Kunjeh on 07/04/2011 00:44:39

  • I had the module issue too...my laser finishis a complete cycle before stopping after being clicked, meanwhile the laser has stopped firing.





I'm having the same issue. Apparently after clicking my Strip Miners to stop mining, the button keeps flashing red and its only click-able after the cycle finishes.

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2011.04.07 01:27:00 - [101]
 

bring back old Contract search window as a second TAB just for listing contracts. New one is great for searching for something particular, but sucks donkeys for listing

Vivian Vay
Posted - 2011.04.07 01:38:00 - [102]
 

Edited by: Vivian Vay on 07/04/2011 01:46:00
CCP Exefile has stopped working error when saying yes to character customization fo rme. Have 12gb ram, 64 bit win 7, 2 gtx 470's.

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: BEX
Application Name: ExeFile.exe
Application Version: 6.43.24.4285
Application Timestamp: 4d91b621
Fault Module Name: StackHash_0a9e
Fault Module Version: 0.0.0.0
Fault Module Timestamp: 00000000
Exception Offset: 00000000
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Data: 00000008
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.768.3
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: 0a9e
Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Additional Information 3: 0a9e
Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789

nvm....see this is already listed under known issues....and will be fixed tomorrow.

darklegionca
Caldari
Dark Deliverance Holdings
Posted - 2011.04.07 01:49:00 - [103]
 

auto pilot is broken it doesnt show you how many jumps or the nice lil blocks it used to whats up with that please put it back so i know where the eff im going

Nuneval
Posted - 2011.04.07 01:53:00 - [104]
 

NPC Jamming is even worse. In missions such as Assault (level 4 guristas), packs with 5 jammers will chain jam a battleship for upwards of 2 minutes at a time. Certain NPCs (eleminators and exterminators in particular) will start the jam, then jump onto the chain after another ship hits me.

Kerr avonn
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.04.07 02:06:00 - [105]
 

Strip miners not working correctly.
After shutting off the module the beam shuts off but the module stays active till the cycle completes, will this be addressed in the patch 1.4.1??

No problems with the NCC, would have liked layers for muliple scars etc though Very Happy

Budsin Adar
Posted - 2011.04.07 02:27:00 - [106]
 

Moving stuff from a can in dock to sell it some how got lost. what a nice fix there. the go-furs ate it. thats a bad spelling on purposeYARRRR!!

Zleon Leigh
Posted - 2011.04.07 02:37:00 - [107]
 

Work all day, (gotta pay my EVE bill), get home, start up EVE, think differently. Read the forums and thankful the game even boots up.

Patch announcement depresses me, patch dayS depress me, patch results depress me. Why do I do this again?

Well one surprise, a new low is possible.... good thing this isn't a professional app, cause it certainly doesn't meet the standards.

Ellie Aroway
Disturbed Capsuleers
Posted - 2011.04.07 02:37:00 - [108]
 

can not upload fittings to server. Same scenario as already stated earlier in the thread, pressing the ok button for all it's worth does not help.

I dont have the luxury of logging onto another machine to try to upload my fittings on that one, so as it stands, unless I manually grab the xml's from my HDD and use 3rd party software to view the fits, I have NO ACCESS TO MY LOADOUTS WHATSOEVER.

pls fix it asap.

Kalikrates
Posted - 2011.04.07 02:50:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Kalikrates on 07/04/2011 03:14:03
I appreciate all that ccp is doing and the work that goes into constantly updating this game. This said I would really appreciate some help as I am unable to install this latest patch as it claims I need 1 gb of space that I don't have while I actually have 1.63 (running mac if that makes a difference) thank you.

The above problem has been solved (was purely user error).

James Hawkins
Posted - 2011.04.07 03:00:00 - [110]
 

Bull**** patch

Originally by: pre-Dominion CCP
We hope you better understand that our goal is to allow each solar system in null sec to have the potential to hold many more people per system in material resource terms (perhaps 50-100 when fully upgraded). As a result this will lead to the formation of micro-communities and diversity of life in each colony in effect and null sec being able to hold many more people which leads to a much more interesting political scene and ensuing drama.

Coupled with this focus on allowing you to upgrade the solar systems material resources, we are looking to reduce the value of in particular dysprosium and promethium moons through changes to Tech II production so alliances are once more reliant on more traditional income diffuse revenue streams and encouraged to recruit members and form treaties or hold less space.


http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=703


you dont know what you want and you dont actually know the game at all and you actually wasted one full expansion on stuff your taking back atm

(dont) fly safe

electrostatus
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.04.07 03:06:00 - [111]
 

Is there a torrent for this really large patch? There's no way I can download it all at once.

Optional Patch
Posted - 2011.04.07 03:27:00 - [112]
 

The fail, it hurts

Verlaine Glariant
FW Scuad
Posted - 2011.04.07 03:33:00 - [113]
 

This is a 700mb update. Obviousle Cpt. Headquarters files are there, but can't be used yet. Why did you make us download those files if we're not getting Cpt. HQ until summer?

Kalikrates
Posted - 2011.04.07 03:50:00 - [114]
 

Actually I am still unable to download this despite clearing 2 gb of data from my startup disk it still claims I don't have room wtf?!

Friday's Child
Posted - 2011.04.07 03:52:00 - [115]
 

The character generator has slowed down dramatically. I now have 5-6 second delays after many operations (such as selecting a hair style, or adjusting a facial characteristic) which, just yesterday, used to happen almost as fast as I could click.

As it happens, I have an open character slot, and I play around with the character generator a lot... I'm sad about the slowdown, because it used to be fun, but now it's an exercise in frustration.

Syri Taneka
The Perfect Storm
Posted - 2011.04.07 04:11:00 - [116]
 

On the new piercings/scars/tats: Firstly, I'd like to say that I love what's been done. I have a few nitpicks, however.

1) I don't seem to be able to mirror piercings done in the upper ear. I would like to be able to do that = P
2) Player-selectable color choices for the piercings. Just about anything can be anodized with a color coat these days.
3) Scar coloration. I noticed many of them show up poorly on fair skin (which is what my char has) because they are the healed-up white kind. Barring the fact that clones would come out without scars and any scars shown should be fairly fresh, I'd like to be able to adorn my char with fresh-looking, angry red/reddish scars, or at least more intense, more visible white ones.
4) More variation in tat colors. Say, something along the lines of the hair color palette?

kylia maleus
Posted - 2011.04.07 04:12:00 - [117]
 

major issue; miner modules have to wait for cycle to complete inorder to activate again

this will suck because if u use a survey scanner and find out that T2 strip miner is mining a roid with 5 in it (for example azure plag) u have to wait 2 minutes for that 5 because of the activation glitch wasting 2 mins when it could be a 1 second thing. And what if one activates it on the wrong roid? then u are out again.

Didn't think that one through but I only know my side of the story. Sad

Soldarius
Caldari
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
Posted - 2011.04.07 04:14:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: JimboDeath
•NPC jamming has been updated and streamlined. They should all work with the same functionality and you can fit countermeasures. In other news, jamming NPCs are still annoying

Guess what CCP, you got this wrong as well. If your intent was to allow mods to counter NPC jamming, they do not. A simple Eliminator in a L4 mission must have a ****ing high ass jam strength. Was unable to counter it with over 100 strength to counter...WTF kind of **** are you pulling here?!?!

You're simply wasting you breath lying to us out here. You guys still suck.


An Eliminator is based on the Scorpion hull. What do you expect? No change here. Random number generator is random.

Originally by: Nuneval
NPC Jamming is even worse. In missions such as Assault (level 4 guristas), packs with 5 jammers will chain jam a battleship for upwards of 2 minutes at a time. Certain NPCs (eleminators and exterminators in particular) will start the jam, then jump onto the chain after another ship hits me.


Exactly how many ECM mods does each one of those rat ECM ships fit? An ECM ship can pretty much permajam any ship of its own size with 4 multispecs; and you're facing multiple ships? You're lucky you get to lock at all for any period of time.

Solution: adapt and overcome. Bring FoF missiles or drones.

Easy Button: Sold out!

Der Valkirie
Posted - 2011.04.07 04:39:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Crunchmeister
Edited by: Crunchmeister on 06/04/2011 23:23:20
Originally by: Der Valkirie
Love the CCP attitude, too many complaints then simply shutdown the thread. All I can say about Incursion is BFD.

Not the first time stuff like that happened. CCP were claiming "overwhelming support" for their 0.0 nerf, yet when the overwhelming negative support on the Facebook post was put forward, posts against the nerf magically started disappearing. About 1/2 the thread got deleted post by post only leaving the comments that supported it. Eventually, they just deleted the post because they couldn't keep up with the illusion people actually wanted this. .

Originally by: Der Valkirie
I wish they spent a little more time on really upgrading/updating the game/gameplay and less on silly character images. How about some REAL new ships/weapons/equipment?


That's actually pretty backward. Generally in the programming world, you focus on fixing existing known issues and testing thoroughly to ensure the bugs have been squashed BEFORE adding new functionality or content to a piece of software. I'm a programmer (defence-related, not gaming), and if I rushed half-assed content like this out the door, I would have been fired a long time ago. How these bugs made it past your QA department is really beyond me.

I do applaud the "little things" initiative though. It's definitely a step in the right direction. If the same approach could be taken to other aspects of Eve it would save a lot of hassles.

Oh well. We get another wonderful extended downtime tomorrow. I have a feeling this will be much like back a few months ago where we have patches to apply on an almost daily basis.



Der Valkirie
Posted - 2011.04.07 04:43:00 - [120]
 

I know the programming world fairly well but in the many years I have worked in programming I have never seen a company disguise patches as so called "upgrades".
Originally by: Crunchmeister
Edited by: Crunchmeister on 06/04/2011 23:23:20
Originally by: Der Valkirie
Love the CCP attitude, too many complaints then simply shutdown the thread. All I can say about Incursion is BFD.

Not the first time stuff like that happened. CCP were claiming "overwhelming support" for their 0.0 nerf, yet when the overwhelming negative support on the Facebook post was put forward, posts against the nerf magically started disappearing. About 1/2 the thread got deleted post by post only leaving the comments that supported it. Eventually, they just deleted the post because they couldn't keep up with the illusion people actually wanted this. .

Originally by: Der Valkirie
I wish they spent a little more time on really upgrading/updating the game/gameplay and less on silly character images. How about some REAL new ships/weapons/equipment?


That's actually pretty backward. Generally in the programming world, you focus on fixing existing known issues and testing thoroughly to ensure the bugs have been squashed BEFORE adding new functionality or content to a piece of software. I'm a programmer (defence-related, not gaming), and if I rushed half-assed content like this out the door, I would have been fired a long time ago. How these bugs made it past your QA department is really beyond me.

I do applaud the "little things" initiative though. It's definitely a step in the right direction. If the same approach could be taken to other aspects of Eve it would save a lot of hassles.

Oh well. We get another wonderful extended downtime tomorrow. I have a feeling this will be much like back a few months ago where we have patches to apply on an almost daily basis.




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