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CCP Punkturis

Posted - 2011.04.06 20:36:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Arra Lith
Edited by: Arra Lith on 06/04/2011 19:47:17
With many waypoints (when scroll appears) it is not possible to move waypoint to bottom (to make it final destination point from waypoint):
- when dragging till end nothing happens - you can move it only to 1 before last
- when clicking 'Set destination' error is reveived: "Can't set waypoint to same location twice"

Also I dont see "clear all waypoints" option as well - there is only "Optimize" button. You can delete waypoints only 1 by 1.


And last thing: scrolling is not working while dragging, so moving waypoints with long list is very inconvenient.


This drag and drop functionality was added in Incursion 1.3 not this patch today, Incursions 1.4.

- If you drag a waypoint to the empty space below the last one, it should be added to the end.
- There was never a "Clear all waypoints" button in this window, you can do that by right clicking on the map or in space.
- If you have that many waypoints so you can't see them all without a scroll, you'll have to resize your window to a larger size, and if that's not enough, you'll just have to move them about in a few goes.

Where are you clicking "Set destination"? If you're doing it in the right click on an entry in the waypoints list, that's expected since it's already a destination.

Jilly Serkov
Posted - 2011.04.06 20:36:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Captain Charismatic
Edited by: Captain Charismatic on 06/04/2011 20:32:07
Originally by: Ban Doga


If your disk is full and it's the only one you have and you want to install something new you need to make room first.
That's really not rocket sience...


I'm not saying it is. That isn't my point. Please don't interpret me wrong.
My point is that a small error such as this, that would be handled on other installers as "O snap, you have no space, make room, rolling back changes", here, results in a half ass patch, where the client version logs are updated, but the material is not.

Then, when you try to launch, you obviously get a client crash. You can't use the ~770MB update file because the file believes your client is updated due to those version logs. It then forces you to use the repair tool, which downloads the missing data THAT YOU ALREADY DOWNLOADED IN THE PATCH, again, but this time unpacked, totaling over a gig.

That is ******ed. There is so much wrong and just unobserved with the way the patching utilities handle errors that it's just... surprising.

That said, I'm gonna go play my EVE now. :D


dude .. please ... tears ... lol ... (and thats from someone who is too pisd to even attempt to download the patch ... oh ... wait .... I failz sorry :(

Minerer202
Arekin Piggy Bank
Arekin Syndicate
Posted - 2011.04.06 20:41:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Minerer202 on 06/04/2011 20:43:42
Edited by: Minerer202 on 06/04/2011 20:43:26
What did you do to the character chreator!?

Every little change causes a 0 FPS 5 second freeze, after which anything you had attempted to do (such as toon-spinning with boredom) fires off.

I did several character portraits before this patch and don't recall it being such a poor experience?

EDIT: This is after turning off "Physically simulated cloth and hair". before doing that it was just a joke... Confused

Mullethead
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.06 20:46:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Charlotte Yakamoto
The storing of fittings on the server does not work for me on this character. I get a popup asking me what fittings I wish to store on the server. Pressing the OK button however doesn't do anything, no matter if I have no fittings selected, all of them, or just a random selection. Also, emptying my fittings folder does not help, neither does clearing my cache.

It works perfectly fine on another account using the same client however.



I have exactly the same problem. Tried clearing the cache to no avail....open to ideas CCP

Captain Charismatic
Minmatar
The League of Extraordinary Mentlegen
Posted - 2011.04.06 20:48:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Captain Charismatic on 06/04/2011 20:50:35
Originally by: Ariane VoxDei
Originally by: Ban Doga
How about making more room on your C partition or moving your temp directory to a partition with more space on it?
If you can't do even simple house keeping for your own computer it's really not CCP's fault...

It creates a temporary directory of its own under your user directory (under \users\<processowner>\appdata\local\temp on W7), and that is not trivially moved without upsetting a lot of stuff.

It can be done, but most people are better off not trying to juggle that to another drive. Nor would it be desirable, since usually the reason there is limited space is that they are on a SSD, for speed reasons.



I just deleted another game I hadn't played in 6 months, freed 9 gb, and repair completed fine.
Basically I woulda just liked a warning along the lines of "Hey, you realize you have a hair of space, and I'll fail if we try this, right?".

*Cue reply: It's your job to monitor disk space.

Juil
Gallente
Phoenix Industries Pty. Ltd.
Posted - 2011.04.06 20:51:00 - [36]
 

My feedback:

- Modules not just turning off - Sucks and needs to be fixed ASAP not 'oh it can wait for Downtime' yeah hey look i can't just cycle to what i need to i have to wait up to 2 minutes to do so (strip miners for example).

- New Scars: Great except that we can only have ONE. God how hard is it to allow layers? More then one game does and you hyped about it durring the Art stuff at fan feset.

- new Tattoos: What a JOKE. Oh i can put some arrows on my head.. where are the ones from the old Character Creator? Where are the Implants, etc etc.. we've waited what months now for this and we have... nothing a few arrows that obviously took all of 5 - 10 minutes work in illustrator to do.

- New Peircings: Ok.. obviously some ones ignoring what we had again.. and apparently I can only have studs or the like in one eye not that other.. and apparently females get less choice then males.

- Clothing: 700mb of stuff and there is NO new clothing designs in there? And WHY can't females and males wear the others clothes? I mean last time i checked a chick can just steal my shoes and put them on..

- Down Time issues: Ok, you guys REALLY need to start working out your down time issues 10 hours down, apparently fixing problems with your patch and the patch goes live with a bunch of issues anyway..

- Quality Control Issues: HOW THE HELL did the Module bug get past Q.C? that ones a joke almost as bad as certain other bugs you've introduced that caused system wide issues.

Vahligmarr
Minmatar
Tribal Core
Posted - 2011.04.06 20:53:00 - [37]
 

Quote:

You suggested this in a prior thread to another user with the same problem. Imagine that some of us may not even have another drive. I do, but some don't. The fact that limited space causes an extremely messy patching of the game is bad design.



If you are going to play games on computers, you should have more room left on your harddrive than 1.5 gb.

sorry, especially with a ssd you should always leave at least one fifth of your total space free. 2TB Hard Drives are available for ~100 Euros, give your gaming rig some standard hardware + routine maintenance before you blame ccp for bad patch work.

Octarius Eskravu
Posted - 2011.04.06 21:03:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Juil
I mean last time i checked a chick can just steal my shoes and put them on...


Man...you must have small feet!

ok srry...nothing to add really...still havenīt docked home to download the thing!

Ottman
Amarr
LoneWolf Mining
Veni Vidi Vici Alliance
Posted - 2011.04.06 21:03:00 - [39]
 

remembers good bad old times of tranquillity, the warning about skill queue in the past had a reason, patch days back then often came hand in hand with issues that showed up on patch day then, that is thanks to the hard work of ccp guys more rare these days, but murphy often comes around the corner and then ****s hits the so often called fan lol...

MfG Ottman


P.S. : knowing the "old" days of eve makes me feel kinda "old" too sometimes :P

Kain Kodiak
Minmatar
United Stardrive Services
Posted - 2011.04.06 21:05:00 - [40]
 

I am currently having no issues, it's looks good to me.

Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.04.06 21:15:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Sajeera
Originally by: Miso Hawnee

Server hadn't even been up 5 minutes and half my alliance chat mentioned this.

Also, I thought we were supposed to get one more chance to resculpt our characters, not just play hairdresser in station.

Also, hair dresser does not work either:
You will need to recreate your character through character selection before you can re-customize it.


I can live without resculpting now but once Incarna hit, it will be a must.

Because at that moment half of eve population will realize that they have a female avatars with big, cone shaped breasts, pointing in weird directions. Cool


I swear this toon could have the face of Bob Barker and nobody would ever notice. ;)

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.04.06 21:17:00 - [42]
 

50 Server saved fittings isn't enough.

Saving them to XML is useless because YOU CAN'T GET TO THEM.

I started a thread to discuss this and my opinions on the matter. It's not that hard to get BOTH and have the best of both worlds available.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1493383

Lost'In'Space
Posted - 2011.04.06 21:32:00 - [43]
 

When is the new forum is going to be up? No replies can be made to the current one after the new one goes live? or just no new threads?

I thought new forum is part of 1.4

Haleuth
Amarr
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.04.06 21:33:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Bloodpetal
50 Server saved fittings isn't enough.

Saving them to XML is useless because YOU CAN'T GET TO THEM.

I started a thread to discuss this and my opinions on the matter. It's not that hard to get BOTH and have the best of both worlds available.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1493383


this guy speaks the truth.

Most people in RvB have more than 50 fittings, alot of similar frig and cruiser fits for different situations.

When trying to import them i cant tell which is which because alot of my fittings have similar names.

There not listed under which ship they are and you cant access them to use them.

You should make a test server and test some of this stuff before dumping it on us, would save alot of hassle.

Milla Jovobitch
Posted - 2011.04.06 21:34:00 - [45]
 

The patch is ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED MB in size? What the ****, CCP?!?!

It's bad enough that I have to download a huge ass update every once in 6 months or so, but now even patches have become gigantic?

I live in Africa and it's not enough that it takes me f-o-r-e-v-e-r to download your ****patch but I also have to pay 20 bucks per gig. So this time YOU fixing YOUR ****ups costed ME 30 bucks. Thanks a thousand. I think CCP hates Africa.

Nakomode
Caldari
Crit Line
Posted - 2011.04.06 21:34:00 - [46]
 

Alright, the new contract system is working wierd. I can not get any search result when setting item category "Blueprint Original" or "Blueprint Copy"

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2011.04.06 21:43:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: CCP Punkturis

This drag and drop functionality was added in Incursion 1.3 not this patch today, Incursions 1.4.


Ill translate - "we broke that one patch earlier, doesnt count anymore"

Originally by: CCP Punkturis

- If you have that many waypoints so you can't see them all without a scroll, you'll have to resize your window to a larger size, and if that's not enough, you'll just have to move them about in a few goes.


Ill translate - "too cheap to hire Usability Expert, developers know best whats good for you, and that is a lot of clicking"


whats with fittings on server? seriously? 50 and thats it?

CCP Punkturis

Posted - 2011.04.06 21:56:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Rasz Lin
Originally by: CCP Punkturis

This drag and drop functionality was added in Incursion 1.3 not this patch today, Incursions 1.4.


Ill translate - "we broke that one patch earlier, doesnt count anymore"

Originally by: CCP Punkturis

- If you have that many waypoints so you can't see them all without a scroll, you'll have to resize your window to a larger size, and if that's not enough, you'll just have to move them about in a few goes.


Ill translate - "too cheap to hire Usability Expert, developers know best whats good for you, and that is a lot of clicking"



This thread is about issues with Incursions 1.4, that's why I mentioned that this isn't an issue with Incursions 1.4

You have the "Optimize" button there which would make the sorting easier than moving them one by one if you have many waypoints in the list.

Ahb Nelo
Posted - 2011.04.06 21:57:00 - [49]
 

Either I am missing something or the new function to strip non-active ships is really useless. Ok, it does exactly that: strip all modules from any ship in your hangar. What is something I do not very often... Confused

What I had wished was a real fitting screen where I can move single modules between ships in my hangar. In real life I do not need to start my cars engine before putting parts in or out.

CCP Punkturis

Posted - 2011.04.06 22:00:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Ahb Nelo
Either I am missing something or the new function to strip non-active ships is really useless. Ok, it does exactly that: strip all modules from any ship in your hangar. What is something I do not very often... Confused

What I had wished was a real fitting screen where I can move single modules between ships in my hangar. In real life I do not need to start my cars engine before putting parts in or out.


Before you had to board a ship to strip it, now you don't need to do that Smile

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.04.06 22:01:00 - [51]
 

Love the new char creator options.

Although you could make it 10x better by allowing scars/piercings to work via a layer system. ie having more than one piercing per body part.

I'd really like to mix n match different ear/lip piercings for instance. Or have multiple nose piercings.
Above all else, I would love to have multiple scars, I really want at least one of my characters to look like he fell into a meat mincing machine while on fire.

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.04.06 22:04:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Swynet on 06/04/2011 22:07:46
Bug: mining lazors
Stuff used: Hulk -T2 strips - T1 Pyro cristals

Obs: if you stop your cycle the laser beam stops but the icon timer still runs and it's red high lighted untill it stops (end normal cycle)

EDIT: while travelling with or without auto-pilot sometimes the invul field was cycling after the jump and cloaked, stops after the 1st cycle.
Can't assure it happens at all gates (auto-pilot =afk right?)

Rolling Eyes

Inspiration
Posted - 2011.04.06 22:09:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Inspiration on 06/04/2011 22:36:14
I have to say I am quite disappointed by the new contract system.

I expected massive improvements, but all I see is a new UI, the options that were there before are just located differently. Granted the search works a little different as you can do partial matches, but in the old system you would get a list of modules to choose from. Right now I think I would need to do more typing then ever before to get something done.

The only real new improved option I found so far is that you can separate buy and sell orders. But that really never needed a complete interface overhaul, now did it?

For those that do not know, and that probably most of the casual contract users, there was a "simple" view in the old system. It basically did all what the new system seems to offer. The one thing that was missing was one more option in the "contract type" drop down to isolate buy orders from sell orders.

Now what would be handy, is a list of often used items, like the market quick-bar, the old system had this partially in the form of text completion (like any other search control in EVE). This rant aside, I find the contract search section too small. And the spacing of the "free search text" control is not quite right, the X mark is not separated from the controls contents, making it ugly and unreadable. And just as with price range, a number of items range would also help to exclude "ships + fit" from regular module sales and also enable people to exclude "scam" buy contracts where two items are asked instead of one, but for the price of one.

Can it work...sure, but is it any better then before...not at all and it has its own issues on top!

Inanna NiKunni
Posted - 2011.04.06 22:11:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Ban Doga
Edited by: Ban Doga on 06/04/2011 20:32:16
Originally by: Captain Charismatic
Edited by: Captain Charismatic on 06/04/2011 20:25:34
Edited by: Captain Charismatic on 06/04/2011 20:23:23
Edited by: Captain Charismatic on 06/04/2011 20:22:16
Originally by: Ban Doga
Originally by: Captain Charismatic
Limited C drive space = patch failure = repair failure = repair now downloading 1.02GB of useless crap that will probably fail again.

When Dominion came out, this very problem caused me to have to wait days, and then download the full client. A limited bandwidth connection makes it extremely hard to patch a game that requires more than one attempt that includes downloading the patch / material.


How about making more room on your C partition or moving your temp directory to a partition with more space on it?
If you can't do even simple house keeping for your own computer it's really not CCP's fault...


Uhh, no.
See, the reason I think it's an installer design flaw is that the normal person is not going to move things around or reassign temp folder to other drives. This is not basic housekeeping. This is more advanced than that.

The average user isn't going to know or care. The fact that the installer demands to use a portion of a drive that can be completely arbitrary seems bad design to me.

You suggested this in a prior thread to another user with the same problem. Imagine that some of us may not even have another drive. I do, but some don't. The fact that limited space causes an extremely messy patching of the game is bad design.

I think an installer such as this needs to roll back changes if it errors, rather than simply going AHHHHHHHHHH and handing it to the repair tool.

EDIT: After downloading that 1.02GB, it's now "restoring files". See if it fails yet again.... O, we're at checksumming client...


EVERY drive has limited space.
There is not a single one with unlimited capacity.

If your disk is full and it's the only one you have and you want to install something new you need to make room first.
That's really not rocket sience...


Just think how ignorant someone would appear saying
"I don't care about the things under my car's hood. I think it's bad design that some fluids in some of those tanks need to be changed every now and then.
That's totally arbitrary and the car should simply stop instead of getting damaged.
That's more than basic housekeeping for most people. They shouldn't need to do this at all..."

It's your computer, learn to use it properly and stop blaming other people when you fail to keep it running.


i think you misunderstand his point, and the point is that the installer could have checked for available disk space in the very beginning and gracefully displayed a message saying - please clean up some disk space and try again when you have 1.2 GB available. Period. Exit the installer.

This is the point - and its good.


Magnus Witchspace
Posted - 2011.04.06 22:12:00 - [55]
 

As others have mentioned, modules (eg. strip miners) have been crippled. You can't turn off or exit a cycle.

I'm imagining with strip miners it will be faster to dock and come back with a reset strip miner. Definitely a broken feature.

As for the portrait customisations, what a load of junk. Why do we even have portraits in the first place? So feral kids can play with their piercings and make-up? This feature makes every player look like a nerd or a try-hard.

Yes, I'm ****ed off at the moment. ;)

Alain Kinsella
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.04.06 22:15:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Alain Kinsella on 06/04/2011 22:24:09
Originally by: Ariane VoxDei
Originally by: Ban Doga
How about making more room on your C partition or moving your temp directory to a partition with more space on it?
If you can't do even simple house keeping for your own computer it's really not CCP's fault...

It creates a temporary directory of its own under your user directory (under \users\<processowner>\appdata\local\temp on W7), and that is not trivially moved without upsetting a lot of stuff.

It can be done, but most people are better off not trying to juggle that to another drive. Nor would it be desirable, since usually the reason there is limited space is that they are on a SSD, for speed reasons.



The other 'speed' optimization is usually to partition a larger drive (1+ TB) so that swap & 'temp' had its own partition at the beginning, and a relatively small C right behind that. This is my setup, and getting close to the same problem (so far nothing serious though).

I'm beginning to see this as a boost to WD 'Raptors. Laughing For myself, I need to figure out where my copy of Ghost wandered off to during the move last fall...

Edit - The core problem is with Win7, sure. However, it should not take very long for someone in Team BFF to help put in a quick size check in the installer & patcher. There are common templates that go back a couple decades. SSD drives are the common case to look at here, as already mentioned.

Solara Prophet
Posted - 2011.04.06 22:16:00 - [57]
 

Extended downtime + 775Meg download on slow connection = POS ran out of fuel. Not excited to see how many bugs I'll hit up against to get it back up. Let's not even mention the extra downtime coming at 23:00...

Hocs
Gallente
Red Sword Union
Posted - 2011.04.06 22:27:00 - [58]
 

My client says that my graphics card (GMA 4500mHD, yeah I know it's a ****) does not support shader 3.0. Itīs not true (Teorically my graphics support even sm 4.0). I play using shader model on "high", and I can access the character creator with shader and models both on high values (at low fps, but I can!). There is a possible fix for that?.
Sorry for my bad english.

Summerdead
Posted - 2011.04.06 22:32:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Haleuth
Originally by: Bloodpetal
50 Server saved fittings isn't enough.

Saving them to XML is useless because YOU CAN'T GET TO THEM.

I started a thread to discuss this and my opinions on the matter. It's not that hard to get BOTH and have the best of both worlds available.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1493383


this guy speaks the truth.

Most people in RvB have more than 50 fittings, alot of similar frig and cruiser fits for different situations.

When trying to import them i cant tell which is which because alot of my fittings have similar names.

There not listed under which ship they are and you cant access them to use them.

You should make a test server and test some of this stuff before dumping it on us, would save alot of hassle.


I think itís a great idea that the fittings are saved on the server as I use a PC at home and then when I go to work or go out I use my laptop, saves having to constantly export to xml and then copy across every time I make a change.
But totally agree 50 fittings is no way enough! It may be ok for the newer players that donít have many ships but when you have multiple ships and different setups for different situations it is no way enough, just as an example I have around 10 different setups just for my Drake! And thatís not including the other 20 or so ships I have, please please please increase to it to at least 200.
Wink

Mike deVoid
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2011.04.06 22:33:00 - [60]
 

Modules continue to flash green and finish their cycle after jumping through a stargate, however they stop at the end of that cycle. I noticed this with my Damage Control.

Tested this with the fittings screen open - the DC continued its cycle and then stopped however hull resistances dropped to zero after jumping through. This must be a client-side bug that is not forcing the end of the cycle for the client.

Potential damage is that people will not be able to re-activate these modules until they have ended this period where they are only on 'virtually'.


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