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Remyne Zhe Dacella
Posted - 2011.05.16 11:25:00 - [811]
 

Edited by: Remyne Zhe Dacella on 16/05/2011 11:42:01

Many alliances and corps in null sec turn a blind eye at the least to botting and rmt activity within their alliance as they don't see it as their problem.

Have you considered MAKING it their problem. e.g. when a botter or RMT buyer is penalized five billion isk, apply the same penalty to their corp, alliance and if renters, alliance controlling the space involved.

A week of this and you would see a VERY different attitude to botting and RMT within all the largest player groups in eve. You KNOW that the renting alliances are all involved in this trade even if at arms length, and some explicitly tax their "tax haven" member corps or alt-alliance member corps knowing what they are up to.

One example is Synergy Holdings Inc in Cascade Associates. Banning one of their members for botting is a nuisance for them, but does nothing to stop the billions of isk per month the other bots in the corp pay for membership, or for the billions that the corp pays to the alt alliance, and through this to parent alliance Cascade Imminent and its leaders. One ban, four deductions, and repeat until a whole region is temporarily clear of blatant botting.

The trade will evolve, but will be forced to become less open and move further into the shadows.

DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.05.16 11:50:00 - [812]
 

Originally by: Remyne Zhe Dacella
Edited by: Remyne Zhe Dacella on 16/05/2011 11:42:01

Many alliances and corps in null sec turn a blind eye at the least to botting and rmt activity within their alliance as they don't see it as their problem.

Have you considered MAKING it their problem. e.g. when a botter or RMT buyer is penalized five billion isk, apply the same penalty to their corp, alliance and if renters, alliance controlling the space involved.

A week of this and you would see a VERY different attitude to botting and RMT within all the largest player groups in eve. You KNOW that the renting alliances are all involved in this trade even if at arms length, and some explicitly tax their "tax haven" member corps or alt-alliance member corps knowing what they are up to.

One example is Synergy Holdings Inc in Cascade Associates. Banning one of their members for botting is a nuisance for them, but does nothing to stop the billions of isk per month the other bots in the corp pay for membership, or for the billions that the corp pays to the alt alliance, and through this to parent alliance Cascade Imminent and its leaders. One ban, four deductions, and repeat until a whole region is temporarily clear of blatant botting.

The trade will evolve, but will be forced to become less open and move further into the shadows.


1. Insert alt into hostile alliance
2. turn on bot
3. ????
4. profit

Nope nothing wrong with that...Rolling Eyes

HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.05.16 12:14:00 - [813]
 

Originally by: DeBingJos

1. Insert alt into hostile alliance
2. turn on bot
3. ????
4. profit

Nope nothing wrong with that...Rolling Eyes

Not just that, but it will simply mean that botters operate in unaffiliated alt corps rather than in the main alliance (in many cases, they already do).

Remyne Zhe Dacella
Posted - 2011.05.16 14:09:00 - [814]
 

Edited by: Remyne Zhe Dacella on 16/05/2011 14:42:58
Originally by: DeBingJos

1. Insert alt into hostile alliance
2. turn on bot
3. ????
4. profit
Nope nothing wrong with that...Rolling Eyes


Absolutely despicable tactic to grief a corp and alliance so poor that it allows botters to join. Of course the corp could be more careful that it doesn't allow botters to join. And the corp could kick and report them itself as soon as the pattern of behaviour manifests. Of course the botter and all associated accounts are going to get banned. And if the corp doesn't, after the first time it gets fined, the Alliance will now have a financial incentive to self police instead of pretending to wash your hands of it.

This would be a good thing, and I'm glad you mentioned it.

Originally by: HELIC0N ONE
Not just that, but it will simply mean that botters operate in unaffiliated alt corps rather than in the main alliance (in many cases, they already do).
Unaffiliated corps is good - they stand out like a sore thumb in "home space" without the cover of standings and membership for allies involved. This is also a good thing, although obviouse, I thank you for bringing it up.

Of course this happens now with awoxing and can cost as much on any awox run .. if a corp is so bad as to allow an awoxer in and eight allied tengus are killed, the corp pays up, or is kicked. If an alliance allows a botting corp in it gets penalized. If a corp allows a botter in it gets penalized AND the alliance gets penalized for allow trash to join. If an alliance rents a system to botters maybe it the penalty would offset some of the two to twenty billion isk per month they charge in rent to obvious botters.

Player organizations can self police a lot better than CCP can police them .. if you give them an incentive to do so!

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.05.16 14:11:00 - [815]
 

Originally by: Kittaria Darkstar
Found a site on Face Book advertising bots that beat the incursion patch.

FYI.


Did you email the link to CCP Sreegs?

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.16 15:23:00 - [816]
 

Originally by: Rosewalker
...For the first time since 10 April, the PCU hit over 50,000 (52,743).


Perhaps. I was trading heavily in ice products last night and the supply side is looking pretty scarce.

Also last week CCP sent out email invites for week free I got two for inactive accounts and the Buddy PLEX cascade became common knowledge. These could account for high connections numbers.

NinjaSpud
Posted - 2011.05.16 20:38:00 - [817]
 

Edited by: NinjaSpud on 16/05/2011 21:55:33
Hey Guys,

Time for our update Smile

EP users (Website A) have returned to keeping their heads down low. If they are getting banned, they're not reporting it.

TM users (Website B) on the other had have had a handful of banns.

Originally by: TM pilot moses78

I just got banned for 2 weeks also. Reason given violation of eulo use of macros. Had 2 accounts on that email address login - banned both even though only one of them had been macroing at the time. The other account hadn't macroed in at least 2 weeks. Had been icemining in Abudban 23/7 for maybe 6mths in starter corp on different computer, but do suffer a lot of dropout through internet so it was never continuos.



That was fallowed imediatly by this one:

Originally by: Bot User rust69


ah thats sucks..i forgot about the email connection aswell...but it wouldnt of matter as it would have been on the same IP anyway. I have to say...been flying thru some once well populated ice belt systems...ha not anymore. Some system that used to have atleast 80-100 ice miners..down to 20. The bot-haters must be rejoicing...but i'm daring this must be putting a slight dent in CCP profits as many ppl must be like my self are simply selling what toons they have and unsub that account. Ah well...at least the bot-hater are slowly paying for it... certain items on the market have double in price, best i saw was a mining foreman implant...gone up 6 times its value over the last month or so, was 50mil, now nearly 300mil.




A nice little in-site to CCP's methods. They can now track bot users through their email address as well.


In a related story, I have attempted to start a Eve Wide CTA to combat the bots that CCP hasn't yet discovered. Not that I don't have faith in CCP, Sreeges is doing everything he can... It just hit me that the players of Eve have just as much the ability to discourage bot users as CCP does.

If you want to help out, join my channel, read my thread, help get organized.

Very soon I'll be able to report from the actual front line of the bot war. Bot-A-Geddon is starting.

That's about it guys, good luck and fly safe!


*Edit* Grammar :)

Ilyena Dalisar
Posted - 2011.05.16 20:58:00 - [818]
 

Originally by: NinjaSpud
Hey Guys,

Time for our update Smile

EP users (Website A) have returned to keeping their heads down low. If they are getting banned, they're not reporting it.

TM users (Website B) on the other had have had a handful of banns.

Originally by: TM pilot moses78

I just got banned for 2 weeks also. Reason given violation of eulo use of macros. Had 2 accounts on that email address login - banned both even though only one of them had been macroing at the time. The other account hadn't macroed in at least 2 weeks. Had been icemining in Abudban 23/7 for maybe 6mths in starter corp on different computer, but do suffer a lot of dropout through internet so it was never continuos.



That was fallowed imediatly by this one:

Originally by: Bot User rust69


ah thats sucks..i forgot about the email connection aswell...but it wouldnt of matter as it would have been on the same IP anyway. I have to say...been flying thru some once well populated ice belt systems...ha not anymore. Some system that used to have atleast 80-100 ice miners..down to 20. The bot-haters must be rejoicing...but i'm daring this must be putting a slight dent in CCP profits as many ppl must be like my self are simply selling what toons they have and unsub that account. Ah well...at least the bot-hater are slowly paying for it... certain items on the market have double in price, best i saw was a mining foreman implant...gone up 6 times its value over the last month or so, was 50mil, now nearly 300mil.




A nice little in-site to CCP's methods. They can now track bot users threw their email address as well.


In a related story, I have attempted to start a Eve Wide CTA to combat the bots that CCP hasn't yet discovered. Not that I don't have faith in CCP, Sreeges is doing everything he can... It just hit me that the players of Eve have just as much the ability to discourage bot users as CCP does.

If you want to help out, join my channel, read my thread, help get organized.

Very soon I'll be able to report from the actual front line of the bot war. Bot-A-Geddon is starting.

That's about it guys, good luck and fly safe!



The word you're looking for is 'through'. As in... 'They can now track bot users THROUGH their email address as well."

NinjaSpud
Posted - 2011.05.16 21:56:00 - [819]
 

Edited by: NinjaSpud on 16/05/2011 21:57:13
Originally by: Ilyena Dalisar


The word you're looking for is 'through'. As in... 'They can now track bot users THROUGH their email address as well."


God you sound just like my English teacher in 10th grade....ffiiinnnneeee I'll change it... Wink

*EDIT*
O yea? well you shouldn't have used a double quote to close a single quote..

SO HAA!! Razz

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.05.17 08:22:00 - [820]
 

Originally by: Ilyena Dalisar

The word you're looking for is 'through'. As in... 'They can now track bot users THROUGH their email address as well."

I beg to differ
it is by
'They can now track bot users BY their email address as well.'
as they do nothing though it just what it is Wink TBH I would of thought that would of been a quick starter for 10 on the db search [including accounts that are not active]

Avensys
Posted - 2011.05.17 09:27:00 - [821]
 

At my university every student has an "obligation to co-operate" when it comes to allegations/suspicion of cheating at exams.

This means he has to report truthfully on his own actions and to the best of his knowledge on the actions of other students when questioned by university staff.
He also is obliged to report any attempts of cheating he is aware of to the staff.

If it can be shown that a student did know about a cheating attempt in advance or noticed it during the exam but didn't notify the staff to prevent it (or lied to the staff about his knowledge when questioned) he faces disciplinary punishment as well (ranging from informal over formal reprimands up to the expulsion from the university depending on the severity of the case).

Having such a policy regarding knowledge of EULA violations in EVE would probably not make a huge difference in practice but would invalidate the "it is not the players' job to detect/report EULA violations, let CCP handle this (and don't write petitions)" argument.


Joshua Yullsuz
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.05.17 10:07:00 - [822]
 


Hunter Bots are also being used to camp DED complexes, like the Serpentis Drugs outlet.

They use AF's that can Tank the low level rats and only shoot the 'prize' structure and loot the officer mods.

Xylengra
Posted - 2011.05.17 13:08:00 - [823]
 

As someone more famous than I said, "May you live in interesting times."

As I have said previously, I have been a part of the three major botting forums for some time. As NinjaSpud has continued to report on activities in those communities, I now can add this tantalizing bit of rumor/information.

Up front, I will say that I will not divulge my sources, but it is now being reported that the owner of TM has reached an agreement with CCP, wherein he has turned over his client list in order to avoid being banned himself. My sources tell me that he will even continue to sell his macroing program and funnel those names to CCP as well.

Take this for whatever worth you so desire. It is entirely plausible that the cheaters would start feeding upon themselves, of course, and I find this news credible, both due to the nature of 'criminals' (no honor among thieves) and my sources, whom I trust.

Of course, no one, on either side, would admit to this, and might very well vehemently deny it. At the very least, if I can just feed the paranoia a bit, I am a happy camper. Add just another type of PvP in Eve. YARRRR!!

Adrian Idaho
Posted - 2011.05.17 13:37:00 - [824]
 

Originally by: Xylengra
My sources tell me that he will even continue to sell his macroing program and funnel those names to CCP as well.

This is the part that should set off your bull****-alarm. Why would CCP allow him to continue distributing his bot? It's hardly in their interest to tempt their subscribers to break the EULA.

How do your sources claim to have acquired this information?

Furthermore, it's rather strange that you don't believe plausible information from CCP, yet you trust highly implausible information from your sources (which you don't even name). Those are typical characteristics of conspiracy theorists.

Xylengra
Posted - 2011.05.17 13:58:00 - [825]
 

Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Originally by: Xylengra
My sources tell me that he will even continue to sell his macroing program and funnel those names to CCP as well.

This is the part that should set off your bull****-alarm. Why would CCP allow him to continue distributing his bot? It's hardly in their interest to tempt their subscribers to break the EULA.

How do your sources claim to have acquired this information?

Furthermore, it's rather strange that you don't believe plausible information from CCP, yet you trust highly implausible information from your sources (which you don't even name). Those are typical characteristics of conspiracy theorists.


CCP wouldn't be tempting anyone to break the EULA, not at all. They would be using an informer, a rather typical and mundane tactic when you think it through. Why let him continue? Well, on the face of it, one reason would be to inflate their banning numbers.

I won't even attempt to relate how my sources might have obtained this information, as you wouldn't believe it anyway. Likewise, such sources are never revealed. Again, giving you names would not in any way make you believe or disbelieve it more.

As to the trust issue, these are people with whom I have had an ongoing relationship with over the years. That can't be said about CCP.

I like the way you indirectly accuse me of being a conspiracist. You manage to be both blunt and subtle at the same time. Tell me, does that work for you in your real life, accusing someone of something that can be neither proved or disproved of being a conspiracy theorist?

Ultimately, it doesn't matter if you believe or not. I don't need your validation in any way. It either is or is not true. If you are not a botter, then what I have said doesn't affect you in any way. If you are, you now will have just a bit more paranoia than you did before.

To me, that is a win.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.05.17 14:15:00 - [826]
 

Did anyone else's boolsheetometer just peg and short out?

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.05.17 14:23:00 - [827]
 

Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Did anyone else's boolsheetometer just peg and short out?

just a bit...
like the usernames / emails on the forum are going to match ccp ones Rolling Eyes

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.05.17 14:25:00 - [828]
 

TM seems to cooperate closely with RMT stores - don't think ccp would like that.

assuming this report is false an interesting question is: would ccp win by keeping the rumor alive (and striking fear into the hearts of some botters) or rather lose by further ruining its image with some of its customers here


@Sreegs maybe you can enlighten us whether CCP would consider striking such a deal with bot writers?


also as far as I have seen nobody has mentioned yet that Othran's favorite site has made a comeback.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.05.17 14:30:00 - [829]
 

Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
TM seems to cooperate closely with RMT stores - don't think ccp would like that.

assuming this report is false an interesting question is: would ccp win by keeping the rumor alive (and striking fear into the hearts of some botters) or rather lose by further ruining its image with some of its customers here


@Sreegs maybe you can enlighten us whether CCP would consider striking such a deal with bot writers?

also as far as I have seen nobody has mentioned yet that Othran's favorite site has made a comeback.


Why would CCP make an ongoing deal like that: they dont want to ban people for botting, they want people to stop botting.

I could just about see them accepting a "plea bargin" in return for a client list - assuming that the client list was in fact of any use - but an ongoing deal to inform on new customers? What could they gain?

clixor
Celluloid Gurus
Posted - 2011.05.17 14:35:00 - [830]
 

Originally by: RaTTuS
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Did anyone else's boolsheetometer just peg and short out?

just a bit...
like the usernames / emails on the forum are going to match ccp ones Rolling Eyes


No, but IP's do. The only use for this information i can see is that CCP can track down RMT operations. CCP has proven already they can track down botters using internal techniques.

NinjaSpud
Posted - 2011.05.17 15:24:00 - [831]
 

Edited by: NinjaSpud on 17/05/2011 15:33:06
Originally by: Xylengra
As someone more famous than I said, "May you live in interesting times."

As I have said previously, I have been a part of the three major botting forums for some time. As NinjaSpud has continued to report on activities in those communities, I now can add this tantalizing bit of rumor/information.

Up front, I will say that I will not divulge my sources, but it is now being reported that the owner of TM has reached an agreement with CCP, wherein he has turned over his client list in order to avoid being banned himself. My sources tell me that he will even continue to sell his macroing program and funnel those names to CCP as well.

Take this for whatever worth you so desire. It is entirely plausible that the cheaters would start feeding upon themselves, of course, and I find this news credible, both due to the nature of 'criminals' (no honor among thieves) and my sources, whom I trust.

Of course, no one, on either side, would admit to this, and might very well vehemently deny it. At the very least, if I can just feed the paranoia a bit, I am a happy camper. Add just another type of PvP in Eve. YARRRR!!


Ok guys, let's clear a few things up.

First, this is all rumor, no creditable sources are being mentioned, this is more word on the street. So keep that in mind while you read on.

I am leaning to agreeing with Xylengra. I know, I know, BS meeter aside.... I heard, from what I credit to be a good source, that the same thing happened to Roid Ripper. CCP made a deal w/ Daredevil, he gave account names and split.

It kinda makes seance if you think about it...all of the sudden every roid ripper client gets busted? This happened within a two week span? CCP has not installed any 'sniffing' software on our personal PC's, and they refuse to comment on their methods of bot detection, referring to some mysterious "Server side code".

While I have no doubt that they did have server side code, RR was a client side application. It used keystrokes and mouse clicks, and did not inject detectable code in the software. Now, again, no doubt that those clicks/patterns could be detected and recognized....but finding the right client list out of 300,000 accounts to 'scan' for those patterns, where do you think they got that targeted list from?

Plus, how many people report non RR bots to ccp and still see them in local?

All this together, might mean that CCP's "security team" is more like "CCP's legal team". Who's to say that creating macro programs for someone else's product and making money off of it isn't a legal violation? IDK I'm not an attorney. The point I'm saying is, what if CCP is threatening to buy out our sue these bot companies and then shutting them down. To me that would be a pretty effective method of killing the bots in eve.

again, all rumor, but it's odd that I and Xylengra have both heard the same thing about 2 different bots. We'll see if TM gets shut down in the next few weeks. If so, then I'd say this rumor might be true.

*EDIT* The more I ponder on this the more it makes sence...kill the bots at the source, punish a few with banns. Everyone's happy in the end. The banned bot users get a chance to come back = $$ for CCP. Us "raged about bots" users see public banning's happen and bots vanishing, we're happy and stay in Eve = $$ for CCP. Everyone wins.

Mikk36
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.17 15:25:00 - [832]
 

Originally by: NinjaSpud
Originally by: Bot User rust69
certain items on the market have double in price, best i saw was a mining foreman implant...gone up 6 times its value over the last month or so, was 50mil, now nearly 300mil.

Just had to comment on this one: That specific item used to be 30m, but it skyrocketed when the learning skills were removed since a hell lot of people could suddenly fly Orcas. Orcas and several other ship experienced a significant price boost.

NinjaSpud
Posted - 2011.05.17 15:28:00 - [833]
 

Originally by: clixor
Originally by: RaTTuS
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Did anyone else's boolsheetometer just peg and short out?

just a bit...
like the usernames / emails on the forum are going to match ccp ones Rolling Eyes


No, but IP's do. The only use for this information i can see is that CCP can track down RMT operations. CCP has proven already they can track down botters using internal techniques.


IP addresses, email addresses, similarity in names...what if TM where to attached a unique 'security identifier' code to the client that would be easy to detect on anyone running it.

it is possible, if CCP has cooperation from VanGogh (TM creator)

Adrian Idaho
Posted - 2011.05.17 15:36:00 - [834]
 

Originally by: clixor
Originally by: RaTTuS
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Did anyone else's boolsheetometer just peg and short out?

just a bit...
like the usernames / emails on the forum are going to match ccp ones Rolling Eyes


No, but IP's do. The only use for this information i can see is that CCP can track down RMT operations. CCP has proven already they can track down botters using internal techniques.

I could also imagine that the bot phones home some information about the user running the bot. Bot writers are not particularly known for their privacy protection.


Originally by: Xylengra
CCP wouldn't be tempting anyone to break the EULA, not at all. They would be using an informer, a rather typical and mundane tactic when you think it through.

The moment they let him distribute a bot, they tempt players to break the EULA by using the bot.

Originally by: Xylengra
Why let him continue? Well, on the face of it, one reason would be to inflate their banning numbers.

See, that's the reason why I think you're the conspiracy theory type of guy.

Originally by: Xylengra
I won't even attempt to relate how my sources might have obtained this information, as you wouldn't believe it anyway.

That's the second time in this thread that you have brought this argument. How can you be so sure about that? Well, except of course if the information in question is so implausible that there's no chance I would believe it without some evidence.

Originally by: Xylengra
As to the trust issue, these are people with whom I have had an ongoing relationship with over the years.

That's not what I asked. My question was: in what position are those sources that they have access to this information? I.e., are they CCP employees, close friends of the bot writer, etc.

Originally by: Xylengra
I like the way you indirectly accuse me of being a conspiracist. You manage to be both blunt and subtle at the same time.

It's more of an art than a science.

Originally by: Xylengra
Tell me, does that work for you in your real life, accusing someone of something that can be neither proved or disproved of being a conspiracy theorist?

I won't even attempt to tell you of my real life, as you wouldn't believe it anyway.

Originally by: Xylengra
It either is or is not true.

True tautology is true. Well, assuming we accept the law of the excluded middle as axiom which we do, provided none of us is a no-good constructive mathematician. Wink

T'Laar Bok
Posted - 2011.05.17 15:38:00 - [835]
 

Originally by: Xylengra
I will not divulge my sources


I nominate the codename "DeepVeld" as his codename.


Doc Fury
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.17 15:39:00 - [836]
 

Originally by: NinjaSpud


CCP made a deal w/ Daredevil, he gave account names and split.

It kinda makes seance if you think about it...all of the sudden every roid ripper client gets busted? This happened within a two week span? CCP has not installed any 'sniffing' software on our personal PC's, and they refuse to comment on their methods of bot detection, referring to some mysterious "Server side code".

While I have no doubt that they did have server side code, RR was a client side application. It used keystrokes and mouse clicks, and did not inject detectable code in the software. Now, again, no doubt that those clicks/patterns could be detected and recognized....but finding the right client list out of 300,000 accounts to 'scan' for those patterns, where do you think they got that targeted list from?

Plus, how many people report non RR bots to ccp and still see them in local?

All this together, might mean that CCP's "security team" is more like "CCP's legal team". Who's to say that creating macro programs for someone else's product and making money off of it isn't a legal violation? IDK I'm not an attorney. The point I'm saying is, what if CCP is threatening to buy out our sue these bot companies and then shutting them down. To me that would be a pretty effective method of killing the bots in eve.

again, all rumor, but it's odd that I and Xylengra have both heard the same thing about 2 different bots. We'll see if TM gets shut down in the next few weeks. If so, then I'd say this rumor might be true.


Sokath, his eyes uncovered!!!

Think about what would simply cost CCP the least to do. Also, they have stated botting is considered to be security issue.



NinjaSpud
Posted - 2011.05.17 15:55:00 - [837]
 

Originally by: Doc Fury
Originally by: NinjaSpud



Sokath, his eyes uncovered!!!


...and other stuff!!





Darmok, and Jalad on the ocean!!

I totally LOL'd when I read that...way to bring me back to my childhood hahaha


About the other stuff....yea I know. I try not to be a conspiracy theorist, because those people are crazy LOL...but I love pointing out the obvious. I'd be confident enough to bet serious ISK that TM is gonna be gone soon.

Adrian Idaho
Posted - 2011.05.17 20:32:00 - [838]
 

I find it entirely plausible that CCP would make a deal with bot writers to gain information about bot users. However, I believe it is total bull**** that CCP would allow or even encourage bot writers to continue distributing their bots (this is what smells like a conspiracy theory).

Alicia Melchiottt
Posted - 2011.05.17 23:01:00 - [839]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
TM seems to cooperate closely with RMT stores - don't think ccp would like that.

assuming this report is false an interesting question is: would ccp win by keeping the rumor alive (and striking fear into the hearts of some botters) or rather lose by further ruining its image with some of its customers here


@Sreegs maybe you can enlighten us whether CCP would consider striking such a deal with bot writers?

also as far as I have seen nobody has mentioned yet that Othran's favorite site has made a comeback.


Why would CCP make an ongoing deal like that: they dont want to ban people for botting, they want people to stop botting.


Exactly. Which is why they won't be making any deals with bot makers which involves the bot makers continuing their operations.

Heedless
Posted - 2011.05.17 23:44:00 - [840]
 

Originally by: Adrian Idaho
I find it entirely plausible that CCP would make a deal with bot writers to gain information about bot users. However, I believe it is total bull**** that CCP would allow or even encourage bot writers to continue distributing their bots (this is what smells like a conspiracy theory).


Things get mixed up in the retelling, but my guess is it's plausible that cccp asked for the site to remain open and turn over info on those who register going forward, but not actively keeping the bot download/support active.

Also, I call for a national REPORT-A-BOT day to coincide with botageddon to futher publicize the event and encourage another avenue of assistance for those who may not be up for violent action.


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